how to treat an ulcerated (breast) tumor

Novi

hi Abigail. I suffered the same thing with you. I used to bleed a lot and my doctor suggest me to wash the wound with hidrogen peroxide 5% and prescribe me tamofen. And it never bleed again.

abigail48

oooooh!! did you google that medicin?? the effects are ................better not google it if you're using it. anyway I don't have a dr to prescribe anythng I' just try to be very careful....does that work? depends on the weather and moon phase. ecclipse coming up again monday? I keep expecting a bleed but today I used the warm saline solution to take off the old dressing and so far so good

abigail48

cypress oil again. putit directly on the tissue dressing not going to try and take that one off (again) didn't try to seer it off, that just pretty much gets the washclothesbloody. fairly weak.......tart cherry juice and sleep perhaps

abigail48

I ate the loquats in 1972, the spots must have stoped around 1990, and I didn't write here on bco until 2011 so that's a long time thinking cured

motheroffoursons

Abigail,

Are you saying that the amount of bleeding in your ulcerated breast tumor depends on the moon phase and is also affected by an eclipse?

abigail48

all bleeding is affected by weather ie not good to have surgery when a rain event is here or coming in. with an ecdlipse the moon and sun are in a closer configuration than at ordinary conjunctions and oppositions. havn't bled much in a while though, hopeit stays like that, it;s very weakening to lose blood

motheroffoursons

Anyone else heard of the rain and or eclipse theory?  Please explain.

abigail48

I googled it and was surprised to see that dr google thinks that cold weather effectes surgery, wet weather only arthritis and rumatism. it was I hope was, my experience that wet during wet weather when it was immenent was when the extreme bleeding events occurred and I interprelated that to surgery events, but dr google seems not to know. as for the eclpse remark a solar ecclipse when the new moon moves between the earth and the sun and a lunar ecclipse when the moon's shadow falls on the su n

a nd obscures it. in both of these cases the configuration is exact and not a few degrees appart as is the case in most conjunctions or oppositions of the moon and sun

abigail48

this makes the configuration verystrong. the quarter, new and full moons also trigger earthquakes

Jojo0529

Lisey I know it is not PC to laugh on these boards, but OMG this is funny.

abigail48

actually it seems that the bleeding has pretty much stopped some long time after I stopped using turmeric every day.  estrogen blockers good, bleeding out bad

abigail48

and the 72 year for the loquats is correct but that y ear was nine years before the men began to get sick and on pondering I realized that in that year I was fighting another trouble

abigail48

the likeliest times for a bleed:  around the full moon, a rain event or one coming in, use or overuse of blood thinners like turmeric or.........

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abigail48

the content is my experience of going on eight years with this trouble with my body.

obsolete

https://community.breastcancer.org/forum/104/topic...

Topic: 70yr old mother refused to see MD for years, now breast cancer?

Posted on: Mar 22, 2017 10:21AM

ShariP wrote:

My mother has had multiple bad experiences with the medical community so 25 years ago she stopped seeing all medical doctors and switched to alternative medicine. She takes a total of about 30 different 'supplements' a combination of vitamins, herbal and homeopathic 'remedies'. Two years ago she told me she found a lump in her left breast, but not to worry, she knew what to do. Of course I worried and begged her to get checked, but she refused. Fast forward to fall 2016 and now she had 2 lumps. She also had balance issues and started falling, blaming it on the tile flooring, she started having back pain (which she attributed to sciatica) and swelling in her legs and feet (edema) and memory loss. Again our family tried to convince her to see a doctor, so she started seeing a naturopathic doctor who claimed my mother was reacting to black mould in the house. Around Christmas 2016, my mom told me one of the breast lumps was leaking bloody fluid, not from the nipple but from the inner part of the breast, where there was an opening. Same scenario, again she refused to see anyone but her naturopathic doctor. She also started getting a chronic cough, and her naturopath tested her and said she had too much fluid in her body and put her on some other homeopathic treatment plan. Last week my mom found a 3rd lump, same breast, and the first 2 lumps were now seeping. A family friend, also a retired nurse in whom my mother confided, pulled some strings at the hospital where she had worked for 40 years, and made appointments for my mom to see a surgeon, as well as have a bone scan, blood test, and biopsy, which my mom felt obligated to honor since her friend went though all that trouble. Now we are waiting for the results, as well an upcoming CT scan appointment. Given all the other symptoms she has had, my uneducated guess is that she will be diagnosed with metastatic breast cancer with spots in lungs, bones and possibly brain and liver. I am scared to death because I know she will refuse any conventional treatment, such as chemo, radiation or hormonal therapy. All we can do, is be there for her and support her in whatever choices she makes, but I am so scared and upset that she waited so long, and now it is too late. To add insult to injury, my 58 year old stepfather has become her almost full time care giver as she can barely walk anymore or do anything around the house. He has also been unemployed for nearly a year while trying to start his own business. Now all those plans will have to take a backseat while my mother's care takes priority, but with no current income, he is super stressed both about her condition as well as the total lack of finances. I am losing sleep over this whole situation too and though I want to help, I don't know how.

Sorry to dump all of this here in this forum, but I needed to share in case someone has gone through, or is going through something similar. I think a good support system is going to be crucial, and so I welcome any advice or support from this community.

Thank you everyone for your advice and support. So we have a partial diagnosis, and sadly, it is definitely breast cancer. I have not seen the pathology report nor did my mom want to discuss the specifics last night when she confirmed this news, so I don't know yet what stage or type it is or even if lymph nodes are involved, more details still to come. However, the fact that the doctor offered Tamoxifen as one treatment option means it is (from my limited understanding) hormone receptor positive, correct? My mother refuses
any type of, as she calls it, 'chemical' medication, so will not take Tamoxifen at all, nor any other medication. including aromatase inhibitors. At this point, her decision is to have a total mastectomy of the left breast where the tumors are. Although this is a very brave decision, she also states she will not follow up with radiation nor chemo nor any type of medication. So my fear is that even if she has the breast removed, it could easily come back elsewhere, if it has not already spread to other tissues, organs, etc. I have asked to see the pathology report so I can see all the data for myself and know exactly what we are facing. I have a feeling if she had dealt with this from the time she found the first lump almost 2 years ago, a simple lumpectomy would have been enough, and we would not be where we are today with a much more serious situation. However, we cannot change the past, only deal in the present to ensure her future. Once my mom
has had the operation (hopefully sooner rather than later), we (my family and I) will think about whether to pursue this naturopath who obviously isn't worth her degree if she had been seeing my mother every 3-4 months for the past 18 months and did not suspect cancer nor advise her to get tested. I feel like she inspired false confidence and was a key reason why my mother delayed being tested. But right now all our focus is on getting my mother through this next step, the surgery, and then we will see.

UPDATE MARCH 31st: I now have copies of my mom's bone scan, pathology and hematology reports, and it does not look good She has been diagnosed with invasive ductal mucinous carcinoma with a proliferation index of 15%-20%. It is also estrogen and progesterone positive at 95% each, but HER-2 negative. The tumor in her breast measures 7.5cm with a necrotic center. The bone scan results points to about 5 indications of mild to moderate abnormal increased bone tracer uptake throughout her spine, in the humerus and in her pelvis, and as such, the doctor wants her to do a another CT scan to rule out bone metastasis. Finally, her hematology results are showing signs of anisocytosis and macrocytosis (not sure if this is
relevant to the cancer or just another health issue). Nowhere in the report does it mention lymph nodes, so I don't know what this cancer's stage is, but if it is in the bones, I guess it is Stage IV. I am still researching what all this means as this brand new territory for us, but if anyone can provide more insight, I sure would appreciate that.

end SNIP

obsolete

OK, some of you... get ready to curl your tongue and snarl because I think it's time for some more "energy" talk. Ms Abigail's comments remind me of having had a mini-panic attack when doctors insisted in performing emergency open surgery (rupture appendectomy) during a planetary alignment. Of course, there would be complications, as my bad luck would have it. As a precaution, patients might be well advised to avoid scheduling surgeries at times during planetary conjunctions, when earthquakes can occur during planetary alignments. My risk-taking does not extend to laying flat on an operating table, cut open, during a pending possible earthquake at intersecting ley lines. (Ref. Planet-9 book by UK researcher Andy Lloyd entitled DARK STAR) (Ref. Energy Healing – Energy Treatments Given Over Long Distance www.thoughtco.com/remote-healing-energy-treatments-1729534)

Ref. Human Magnetism – Human Electromagnetic Field, http://www.SpiritualGarden.net/info/human+electricity.html "The human nervous system can create electric energy waves that can be measured with scientific instruments. The human body produces infra-red radiation that, with night vision equipment, can be seen from miles away."

The physical human energy field involves interaction (ref. electrodynamics concept), commonly known as action-at-a-distance, to which Abigail48 had implied, which affects the human body & all the cosmos, both physiologically & biophysically...because we are all energetic beings living in an electric universe. An example: http://www.Reiki.org/ReikiNews/ScienceMeasures

"Efforts to account for action-at-a-distance in the theory of electromagnetism led to the development of the concept of a field which mediated interactions between currents and charges across empty space. According to field theory we account for the Coulomb (electrostatic) interaction between charged particles through the fact that charges produce around themselves an electric field [including human bodies], which can be felt as other charges as force. Maxwell directly addressed the subject of action-at-a-distance – in chapter 23 of TREATISE ON ELECTRICITY & MAGNETISM in 1873.... In Maxwell's theory, the field is its own physical entity, carrying momenta & energy across space, and action-at-a-distance is only the apparent effect of local interactions of charges with their surrounding field." …Furthermore, "Einstein's theory of General Relativity in which gravitational interaction is mediated by deformation of space-time geometry ..." further supports this concept. (Source: www.InfoGalactic.com/info/Action_at_a_distance )

So, above are some references, links & credits you had requested .... this is the "Alternative" forum

dAd

Abigail and obsolete: this stuff you are posting is utter nonsense and potentially dangerous

Jelson

dAd - This forum is a safe, judgement-free place to discuss Alternative medicine. Alternative medicine refers to treatments that are used INSTEAD of standard, evidence-based treatment. Breastcancer.org does NOT recommend or endorse alternative medicine.

do no post judgements - you are free to think your thoughts (shared by many) - but seriously, if this forum upsets you, don't visit here and don't bother to share your criticisms here - you won't change the posters' minds and will only make them feel persecuted and unsafe.

motheroffoursons

I feel that this particular thread is not giving alternative treatments at this point, but is on the verge of pushing a philosophical viewpoint. I don't think the treatise on electricity and magnetism by Maxwell has anything to do with breast cancer.

Artista928

I think the mods let abigail keep this thread so she can vent. It isn't alternative therapy for bc because she's never been diagnosed with bc, an ulcerated breast tumor doesn't = bc.. So read with caution keeping this in mind as well..

exbrnxgrl

I agree with artista. Abigail has not been dx'ed with breast cancer nor any particular condition, but has been here for several years and the mods are ok with that (though many members aren't). Since the mods are the ultimate arbiters of this site, Abigail and her posts appear to be here to stay.

ChiSandy

Weather might be a factor in certain health issues: when the barometric pressure drops dramatically, the differential causes a perceived and often real increase in air, blood, and lymphatic pressure within the body--sinusitis, hypertension, even lymphedema are aggravated (the latter is why compression wear is advised for long flights). So there may be something to the bleeding/weather connection. But moon phases, magnetic fields and supposed earthquake risk are hogwash when it comes to health. If earthquakes were that predictable, people in fault zones would be getting outta Dodge in plenty of time

soozy

Sad to be back to see such cold hearted posting on a Sunday. Why are so mean.

Blessings.

Artista928

No one is being mean, Sunday or any other day.. We have someone who hasn't been diagnosed with bc posting as if she has it and dispensing advice. The mods are being kind by letting her have her own thread here but there is the worry that someone actually with bc may read these posts from someone who has never gone to a doctor to get diagnosed. Would you want your child who has bc to be reading this thread and taking in her advice/info? Thought not.

exbrnxgrl

This is not being mean. Whether conventional or alternative, this is a breast cancer forum. I think it takes more than a little chutzpah to spend years posting on a forum for people who have diagnosed bc, when you do not have breast cancer ( or have never had it medically confirmed).

Would you ever consider going on a forum for lung cancer, for instance, and posting there for years as if you were in their shoes, when you'd never been dx'ed with lung cancer? Think of those of us on this forum who really do have bc, many fighting for their lives, and tell me why we shouldn't be upset by someone who decided to "play" with us to satisfy her own needs. I think that is disrespectful to every person on this forum who lives and too often dies from bc.

PS: not sure about the Sunday reference, but it's disrespectful any day of the week

obsolete

Are we expected to be at the mercy of mean-spirited self-entitled commentaries that publicly label our post(s) as HOGWASH? *

Thank you, JELSON, for reminding posters of the forum rules AND thank you, SOOZY, for acknowledgement of the poor atmosphere here. Isn't it bad enough that we're ALL dealing with this horrible cancer, without adding more insult & injustice to injury?? **

* defined as false ridiculous writing fit for swill

** edited to add

nihahi

obsolete...your posts come across as mean spirited and self-entitled to me. It's pretty impossible to claim the high ground when you are just as judgemental.

Alternative choices have a wide range of validation/controversy even amongst those who follow that path. But as has repeatedly been discussed...this is a place for ACTUAL B.C. patients, not a fringe blog for anyone who for some reason claims membership by their own rules.

obsolete

Yes, Nihahi, "Comparison IS the thief of joy", and everybody is entitled to their own opinions expressed in a respectful manner. However, this is the "Alternative Forum" where the moderators had requested links or references or credits from posters, to which I already had obliged (see my earlier post). Some people, however, frequently are habitually critical of others while never sharing links, references, credits or any credentials whatsoever. Some posts reflect a condescending Wanna-be-god attitude. Nobody is above the laws of physics. Some people can better apply their own excess energies in more positive manners. This cancer board is no place to lash out on other patients with their own anger management issues. Alternative medicine has it's own set of controversial topics, without trolls attacking others posts with negativity. Let's stay positive and help one another with this evil disease (BC) ...not more ugliness. Best to all.

Artista928

obsolete- You seem to be missing the point. Abigail has not been diagnosed with breast cancer. So she shouldn't be posting alternative txs for bc when she hasn't even been dx'd with it. Breast tumor if that's even what she has does not = bc without a definitive dx from a doc. What part of what we are all saying here don't you understand?? She is free to post in her thread as the mods are being kind to the fact that she's 80 and needs a place to "speak." Would you go to a lung CANCER forum and post as if you have been dx'd with it because you think you have it because you have shortness of breath--- no official diagnosis? Didn't think so. Alternative therapy forum is for folks who HAVE CANCER on cancer boards who are offering other ideas. Our concern is for newbies who assume she has bc and follow what she's saying with that in mind.