how to treat an ulcerated (breast) tumor

obsolete

Artista, thank you, & your point is well taken. I do understand, BUT this is the "Alternative Forum", where people with alternative medical treatments come for non-judgmental guidance & support.

NOBODY has the power or authority or right to judge the laws of physics, another person's Dx or choice of treatment.

I wasn't going to comment on the fact that another BCO.org thread somewhat parallels this thread, up to a point. Another leaky ulcerative palpable tumor(s) in a "70yr old" with no conventional medical treatment over 25 years, be it for personal and/or religious reasons again. It is not up to us to judge, only pray, support, guide and help, while respecting the patient's choices.

And, yes, the leaky ulcerative tumor was recently diagnosed as breast cancer.

And I personally had an ulcerative leaky tumor(s) also, diagnosed following a blunt sharp injury to the breast. Once again,it was mucinous carcinoma, DCIS, and a larger -growing invasive papillary carcinoma. Are you going to accuse me of foolishly misrepresenting that I had those cancers? Whether self-diagnosed or conventionally diagnosed, cancer is cancer. Nobody has the right to judge others. Apologies for my rant.

ksusan

Let's not call each other names, all right? It's unnecessary and unkind. "Troll," for example. Thanks.

exbrnxgrl

I don't care about the tx that others choose, however there is simply no such thing as self dx'ed breast cancer. Everyone is free to treat their bc as they wish, but self diagnosis? Sorry, there are limits to what I'm willing to accept. Again, very disrespectful to those of us who really have bc. In my wildest dreams, I can't imagine posting on a leukemia or any forum for life limiting illnesses just because I decided I had the disease without any medical confirmation. You can't just decide you have a serious disease because that's what you believe. What a slap in the face to folks who really do have the disease.

As for other threads, there is a big difference between someone who has not sought conventional care for ages, but does go for a formal dx and someone who has posted for years without any dx and no intention of getting one ever! Not to belabor the point but you can't just say that you have a certain disease, just because you feel you do. Not talking about colds, upset stomachs etc., but those serious, potentially life limiting diseases. Don't even get me started on that members self dx'ed and self cured AIDS (3x!).

I'm not a name caller myself, so I heartily agree with refraining from doing so

Artista928

Maybe this thread is more appropriate in the benign breast conditions forum, where people haven't been dx'd with bc but have concerns. This alternative tx forum is for those dx'd with bc and are talking about alternative txs for it, not for an undiagnosed breast condition.

Hopeful82014

Personally, I don't think this thread belongs anywhere on this board but the Mods. don't agree, so that's that. Perhaps, however, it should be an invisible thread so that it doesn't draw in and mis-lead others.

Midwest_Laura

"Whether self-diagnosed or conventionally diagnosed, cancer is cancer." - Obsolete

Sorry, Obsolete, but that's not going to fly.  Self-Dx does not count.  Do you believe that someone could declare that they have self diagnosed stage IV cancer of the whatever and apply for SSDI benefits?  Do they deserve a few weeks or months off of work and lots of sympathy from their coworkers because of what they *think* they have?  Perhaps they should start a fundraiser for their self diagnosed cancer - supplements are expensive after all.  What do you think that the donors would say after they discover that the cancer victim has only guessed at the diagnosis and has never seen a doctor? 

Cancer is cancer only when the pathologist says so.

Lisey

I welcome Abigail's posts. I care about her and it's nice when she checks in so I know she's not alone somewhere and dying... I think y'all nit picking over her thread is petty and catty. Let Abigial have her thread and why don't you just stop viewing it if you don't like it.

Lisey

by the way, whether I was diagnosed or not, I had cancer. Cancer is Cancer when it's in a body, it has NOTHING to do with a pathologist. People die of cancer all the time without being diagnosed... they died of cancer. My grandma had stomach cancer that wasn't diagnosed, but she sure as hell had it.. and died from it. Abigail has something leave her be.

Italychick

At the top and bottom of the screen is a magic word that says "Block." There are a lot of people who post things on this website I have found offensive, mischaracterized, and sometimes just flat out wrong. But rather than going on an offensive, I just use the word "Block."

Try it - it works great!

The moderator comments at the top say this forum is a safe, judgment-free place to discuss Alternative medicine. I see nowhere that they say a diagnosis from a licensed medical doctor is required to be a part of this forum. I will lend emotional support to any person who either has or believes they have cancer without judgment. Life is tough enough for some people, and if this place gives them comfort, that is enough for me. I came here my first time with no diagnosis, just scared and looking for information. There are some people I have found to be very harsh, critical and judgmental, but when I see that I use the magic block button.

secondchancetoo

I come on this site many times since my diagnosis of breast cancer. I so enjoy feeling the comradiere that is generally shown between the posters. I have learned much more from some of the articles and contributors here than I have learned many years working as a nurse.

I generally don't comment, but I must comment on this thread. Abigail is clearly an elderly lady that appears not to have a huge amount of interaction in her offline life. I get the feeling that she comes to this site as one might go to an old trusted friend for a chance to converse and seek support. What in the world is wrong with this lady sharing some of her issues here? If folks don't agree with her "style" of seeking medical care for her perceived condition, for crying out loud.....then don't read her posts!

I rather enjoy her posts, she reminds me of many patients I have cared for over the years....clearly not mainstream, but, still a human being that deserves respect and compassion. This trip with breast cancer has truly humbled me, maybe that was a good thing

motheroffoursons

I too clearly see her as an elderly woman with little social connections.  I would suggest to let her post, and every time she posts something that could be interpreted as medical advice, shoot an immediate post back with something like "Abigail, are you going to see a doctor to see if you even have breast cancer?"  Just to let anyone know who is reading her advice that it is coming from a woman with no diagnosis of breast cancer and to encourage Abigail  to see a doctor or nurse to see what is going on.

By the way, on the note of physics that is running in here.  Every object in the universe is attracted to every other object in the universe.  Your body and the Sun have an attraction!  Trump and Obama have an attraction!  However, I do not see this and planetary alignment and eclipses to have a relationship to breast cancer.

obsolete

Lisey, ItalyChik, MotherOf4, you seem all very connected to reality with your caring & compassionate comments.

SecondChance, your concerns & comments are welcomed like a gentle cool breeze after some dark clouds.

I, too, like reading Ms Abigail's informative comments. She really gets it (central concepts of physics). Abigail48 comes across as being a kind & gentle soul.

"Differences are Strengths" is what a family friend would always say (an accomplished philosopher PhD). Never forgot those powerful words!

Some questioned BC's relationship with physics. Well, each one of our bodies is a walking example of EM (electromagnetic) theory. Physics theory changes about every 20 years.

As motherOf4 mentioned, the Sun affects all planets. All planets have a gravitational affect, and if we live on Earth, we are all affected also. Think action -from-a-distance (weather, health, food, meds, hormones). Both gravity & EM are the 2 physical forces which affect us, both long & short distances.

Michele2013

Abigail,

Please let us know how your doing. The Catskills must be beautiful right now 🍃🌸

secondchancetoo

thank you Obsolete for your kind words. I am not a young woman anymore....nearly 65 this year....but, if there is one thing I have finally learned from my years on this planet...it is this. We are all connected.... Every living thing, no exceptions. I find this fascinating on many levels. Everyone's ideas and thoughts have value.

The concept that breast cancer may originate from a type of bacteria I find very interesting indeed. Years ago people laughed at the thought that ulcers were caused by a bacteria! And the discovery of H pylori causing the majority of gastric ulcers is nothing short of amazing to me. Just recently it was noted that the breast microbiome is different in women with breast cancer compared to normal breast tissue. Thought provoking for sure.

obsolete

Mar 17, 2017 01:13PM motheroffoursons wrote:

Anyone else heard of the rain and or eclipse theory? Please explain.

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"The moon isn't the only body out in space that produces human cycles. The sun, the basic source of all life on Earth, has its own rhythm, which produces cycles in humans and non-humans alike." http://www.davidreneke.com/can-the-moon-and-planets-affect-human-behaviour

"During the sunspot peak of the 1930's, Dr. Miki Takata found that human blood serum was affected by the solar radiation put out by sunspots. During the same period it was discovered that sunspot emissions affected a wide variety of other things, such as the size of tree rings and the amount of radio interference on certain bandwidths." http://www.davidreneke.com/can-the-moon-and-planets-affect-human-behaviourBigger

obsolete

Mar 17, 2017 08:21AM abigail48 wrote:

"all bleeding is affected by weather ie not good to have surgery.... conjunctions and oppositions..."

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"In the Journal of The Florida Medical Association, Dr. Edison J. Andrews writes that in a study of 1,000 tonsillectomies, 82 percent of postoperative bleeding crises occurred near the full than the new moon, despite the fact that fewer operations were performed at that time! Clearly, the full moon is a dangerous time for surgery, and the dissemination of this knowledge should result in planning operations for the new moon." http://www.davidreneke.com/can-the-moon-and-planets-affect-human-behaviour

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Bigger things, like celestial bodies, can affect us in bigger ways, such as Earth's climate & Earthquakes, still not completely understood and limited regarding public disclosure.

Re: my prior post regarding quakes

"Astronomer John R. Gribbon and astrophysicist Stephen H. Plagemann even speculated that sunspot and planetary cycles are linked to earthquakes and a future unusual planetary alignment may trigger a devastating California quake. The more the subject is investigated, the more important these cycles appear."

http://www.davidreneke.com/can-the-moon-and-planets-affect-human-behaviour

obsolete

SecondChance, fascinating topics, for sure.... thank you for posting that info. Will definitely check into it.

Ms Abigail, hope you've been having a nice springtime week and taking good care of yourself.

Healing hugs to both of you.

Tara17

Hi all --i have been lurking on these topics in the hopes of learnign something . I myself have pursued conventional therapy and then am doing some complementary therapies ---I have been reading the alternative therapy topics in the hopes of coming across intersting ideas to pursue --after all, no one can argue with pursuing the best possible combinations of foods and vitamins. Topics like vitamin D that have been on these forum for years are now mainstream.

I am puzzled by abigail48 --someone who has been on this board since 2012 for five years with an ulcerated fungating bleeding tumor self diagnosed as breast cancer describing what therpaies they use?

Is it allowed to be on BC boards with a self diagnosis of BC? I didnt think that its possible to even survive more than five years with an ulcerated fungating cancer ?

I would worry and wonder that a newly diagnosed woman looking to read about alternative therapies and is in that vulnerable state right after diagnosis may not be gettign the info she deserves to read .....

Sorry for questioning but just really wondering ...

Lisey

Tara, this is an ALTERNATIVE forum and as such it's viewer be ware. Women are expected to be discerning and coming on this board, one should expect ALTERNATIVE treatments only. The mods have spoken on this and have Abigial her thread.

Tara17

thanks for clarifying that the mods have already spoken on this , Lise

wrenn

Has anyone heard from Abigail? I see she hasn't posted since the end of March. I hope she is ok.

Regarding her not being officially diagnosed there is a member who has been on this site for 4 years who does have a diagnosis (benign) and she is free to post freely and give advise to new members.

Lisey

Abigail, I'm thinking of you and hope you are ok. Please post and let us know you are just enjoying the summer.

peaches1

I just checked Abigail's profile, and she signed in today/ Maybe somebody tipped her off about the posts today. I think the reason Abigail quit posting was because a few people made her feel very unwelcome, and they wanted to know why she was posting and giving advice when she was never officially diagnosed herself. I personally think that she is lonely, and this is her way to communicate with the outside world. I wish she would see a doctor, but I know that is never going to happen unless she is on deaths door. I just wonder if she has family in the area?

Lisey

peaches, totally agree. I too have left bco due to a group of mean girls. Bco mods reached out and said they hoped I'd return and post still. When one woman starts attacking, others feel they can heap it on as well. Its horrible. Abigail is unique and I value her voice.

Momine

Tara, yes, this has been a recurring topic of discussion, including with the mods over the 5 years that I have been on BCO. Personally, I like Abigail and wish her the best. However, some of the time, her posts do provoke kick-back, exactly for the reason you bring up. I.e. other posters are concerned about newbies taking it as legitimate advice.

There are other posters here who have chosen the alternative route, and who are very serious about it as well as careful about the information and advice that they give. I may not agree with them, philosophically, but I respect that they have given thought and study to what they are doing and I appreciate that they are willing to share what they have learned.

Lisey

I want to point out that Abigail's thread is hidden anyway. When someone posts here - it does NOT show up in the active threads. The mods have hidden it so only those of us who have been here and added it to our favorites will even see it.

peaches1

I just checked, and you are right it does not appear in the active threads, but anybody can still see it if they go to the alternative medicine section. This is what happens with the political threads too.

wrenn

The active threads are full of "not diagnosed but worried". That seems to be the target audience

Lisey

You are right again Peaches. I will note though, that other alternative medicine threads do show up on active, so they made Abigail's thread special and hidden.

Wrenn, I really respect the women who patiently address all the not diagnosed but worried posts, Someone needs to address these women, and I'm glad a few women are able to handle it over and over again.

wrenn

Supporting someone until they receive a benign diagnosis is respectable/kind. Continuing to encourage them to keep getting opinions and diagnostic tests when clearly many have anxiety is harmful to their mental health. They should be encouraged away from a "cancer" site. Quotation marks to signify that the word "cancer" appears in the URL.