how to treat an ulcerated (breast) tumor

abigail48

sure if you want to take the rime I don't know what he could tell with a verbal description. no one has seen it except me. it be so ugly, half rat chewed half medium apple. this morning was bad, but the good part with the hemhorrhage came off a weeks long bit with dead cells and tissue. there was blood is and new growth under it. but so glad it 's gone. the blood part was when I got a bit impatient a while ago and lifted the front end, started a bleed so I pu t it back down and it did sort of stick. there is a bit of erectile tissue still from the nipple, but it;s now moved up away from the edge as the beast grows

abigail48

it's been stuck to the sternum for a year or two now

NancyHB

Abigail, so glad to see your post, but so sorry you're still struggling with heavy bleeding. While I always wish you would seek treatment to alleviate your pain and struggles, I know that won't happen and I respect your right to make your own decisions, regardless of your diagnosis. Will your friends be able to help you this winter when the weather turns and it's harder to get out for supplies and food? By the way I love Amy's enchiladas, theyre my favorites. And happy belated birthday

Take care and be safe. Sending positive energy and thoughts your way.

abigail48

I can use those thoughts nancy h b. I've been housebound now for perhaps a year or more, no excersize except the stairs to climb to the bathroom and yea the helpers have been helping me now since the biker went off with a lover in my vehicle in 1998 for several months I know now I will never be able to spell exercise

exbrnxgrl

"agreed. I always counted you as friend and definitely not one of my bullies who seem to mostly have quieted down as yet"

Thank you. Though we have some fundamental disagreements, I value the fact that we have been honest with each other.

abigail48

the name of that chemical in meat which feeds cancer is methionine

Anna1971

Will fish also come under meat?

abigail48

fish is no good any longer except perhaps for cold water stream fish from the eastern us streams because of fukashima has irradiated all salmon etc

FireSally

Also, Salmon which is imported to the EU from Norway is held in pools with artificial conditions.
They feed the fish with growth enhancing food and growth stimulating substances.

To be honest, I've heard a study that Salmon which was imported from such conditions doesn't provide the anti-inflammatory and anti-cancer benefits it should - it even increases cancer risk... be careful with the source of your fish.

HLB

Hello Abigail, I was just reading today about how honey can heal wounds faster than antibiotics. I wonder if it would help to put honey on it? There is a medical type but it's made from Manuka honey.

abigail48

hi GLB I actually did that for a number of months I guess early on. I was still walking to town and back then, and I drew flies. quite embarrassing. my big breakthough these days is I've learned to change the dressing without a majo r bleed.n though perhaps it'a just the good weather. In my daily morning shallow very hot bath goes a shake of epsom salts. a shake of hydrogen peroxide, a shake or two of cedarwood essential oil, likewise of lavender but most important in another container hot water and sea salt and a bunch of half scott papertowel segments soak the beast carefully with a lot of them and the dressing comes off cleanly. sometimes without anything but the saline solution and towels to take off the tissue rolls which may be stuck and are anyway usually soaked with blood and lymph and hardened from the vornado heater I have on a lot of the time while typing here on the dressing goes on the bit of scott paper towel in the plastic sandwich bag over the curad woundpads, 8 by 3, wharever I feel like, silver spray, not every day, cypress oil also said to curtail bleeding, and camomile or frankensense or absethe still in the bathe I pour over it calendula hydrosol and then when that dries a spray of cold de caff green tea there's someone in a black salve support group with a tumor through the skin, she should know about me this beast continues to grow but seemingly quite slowly I use way too much organic ma;ple syrupr, want to keep my weight up began to use a small cup of coffee and half and half nearly every day and my left kidney began to hurt a lot so I've stopped

obsolete

Dear Abigail, it's nice to hear from you again. Beside eating broccoli, do you take a daily Broccoli Sprout Extract supplement especially for its Sulforaphane benefits? Hang in there, sister! Hugs & best wishes.

abigail48

hi obsolete. no I don't so anything difficult these days the brocolli is only in the amy's bowls, but I have finally gotten my helpers to make me some green juice cucumber, celery, green apple. I jazz it a bit with some concord grape juice. it's very refreshing and has helped my back which went out a few weeks ago

DMorris

Hi Abigail! I am new to this forum and found you by googling ulcerating tumor which I think I might have. Here's my story.

In February 2016 I was diagnosed with TNBC with a 1.5 centimeter mass. Got a second opinion in April 2016 and at the consultation was told that I would need a skin graft masectomy, 5 weeks, 5 days a week of radiation and 4 months of a triple cocktail of chemo that included Doxorubicin (called red death), Cytoxan and Taxol. I told the surgeon I needed to think about it and get back to him. After doing some research and learning about all the toxic side affects (especially the one about congestive heart failure! My heart is fine!), I decided this was not the route for me. Fast foward to October 2016, I happen to read my medical records from the second diagnosis and the results were DCIS with a .5 cenitimeter mass. However, the second opinion hospital never shared the different diagnosis so if I hadn't put on the breaks, I may have beem over-treated and possibly not here to type my story!

I decided to attack this thing alternatively by changing my diet and lifestyle and using some natural supplements that included Essiac Tea (4 Herb) and several other supplements to boost my immune system to reduce this mass. I was doing well until I tried casema black salve to extract the lump (uses in January and again in April of this year). What has resulted is the mass enlarging from a small walnut to maybe the size of a small orange. As a result of that, a 3x3 size open wound manifested on my breast! It became infected for a minute but treating it with Manuka Honey (grade 10. I used the higher grades before but didnt see any better or different results from the 10), and debriding the old infection has helped a bit but I still have the issue of the gapping whole. Not experiencing any oozing of fluid from it and it bleeds profusely when I change the dressing as the dressing sticks to the rim of the sore and I'm beginning to notice a slight odor. It does hurt occasionally (not sure it's the wound or the mass causing the discomfort) but a few ibuprofens usually takes care of it.

Like you Abigal, I have a great distrust of conventional medicine and doctors (especially after conveniently not being told of a different diagnosis after getting a second opinion), so taking that conventional route is not an option for me!! Even though my current situation is not ideal, I believe I have a fighting chance doing natural things to help my body and increase my immunity then to be poisoned with toxic drugs and radiation or removal of my breast! There has got to be a natural healing solution for this and I will continue to search and pray for direction until I find it! If there is anyone on this forum who can offer help or suggestions or know of a good naturopathic doctor who could help me solve this problem I welcome it!

And to those who think alternative approaches are "quakery", please be reminded that there has been a war on cancer for 50 years and more people are diagnosed with cancer today than 50 years ago! Addtionally, the barbaric treatments have also remained the same! All the money raised in "Race for the Cure" has not yielded any cure, just more "surviors"of barbaric treatments because they trusted their doctors. Conventional doctors and treatments are quackery in my opinion! There is a better solution to healing for me I believe! I will keep searching and praying till I find it! Again, I welcome any "natural" help anyone on this forum could offer.

HLB

hello DMORIS, it's very interesting the tumor came out and left the hole. I am thinking maybe you try a wound care Dr. In the hospital where I work we have vascular surgeons who specialize in wound care and take care pressure ulcvers, vascular ulcers, post op wounds that aren't healing, etc. They are regular Dr's but very knowledgeable about how to care for wounds to get them to heal. I have recently seen that they used manuka honey product on a patient. You can take care of the cancer that might be left in your body with alternatives, but I think you should try the wound care. I don't think they give much medication except maybe pain meds, but they would know what type of dressing you need to heal up the hole. Sometimes things need air, sometimes a vac type dressing, certain ointment etc. I think their knowlegde would be able to help clear up the wound.

wrenn

Even if everything you say about conventional medicine is true I would rather have no breast than a gaping hole but just getting rid of the wound (as recommended above would be a benefit. I would also not want to gamble with systemic infection which happens easily these days with super bugs. Surgically removing the troubling area will not poison you and it will give your immune system a better chance at fighting off any stray cancer cells. Your immune system will currently be overwhelmed with what you describe and can lead to many problems unrelated to cancer.

Wishing you the best and I do respect that it is your body.

Lisey

me too Wrenn, surgery to remove the,entire thing seems like a no brainer.

abigail48

hello d morris: you don't say how old you are. I tried to find the woman on a different forum who was told not to use black salve on a tumor which had come through. the poster said she didn't know why it wasn't good to use it on that kind, but I'll conjecture a reason. the tumor that comes through is only the part w hich can't be contained by the skin, the rest is still below and if black salve is used on even a small bit it has to go too deep to get all of the cancer. re infection. they call candida albicans infection, but I find it helps to contain the bleeding. also not debriding it or not much and very gently contains it some. also if you can stand it not changing the dressing on rainy days or when a rain event is coming in. I use various essential oils on the bit o f paper towel in the sandwich bag covering the dressing. and some times colloidal silver there too and or a bit of calendula oil. probably doesn't help but does prevent any bad odor. I'm 80 now as you probably read, and got this trouble by using birth control pills for 10 years in my youth. they said cysts but never mentioned cancer.. the cyst went bad in 2010 after 46 years. not likely I'd do anything conventional when it was conventional which caused the trouble in the first place

abigail48

I now take no pills of any kind. eat no meat or eggs, there's a chemical in animal food called creatin which feeds cancer. for pain which I have sometimes I use a jell pack which I keep in the freezer

Heather49

Hello All,

I had my left breast removed on Solstice 2015. This past September, the left side of the mastectomy scar that was hard began to swell and erupted in early October. Fortunately I had Ingrid Naiman's book, "Cancer Salves: A Botanical Approach to Treatment" on hand. I had reviewed this book prior to capitulating to the mastectomy in 2015. The surgeon clearly botched the surgery. I've been in excruciating pain since the surgery. The left side of the scar under the armpit always concerned me and, in hindsight, I should have gone to a different surgeon to have it fixed. This hardened part of the scar was a kind of culdesac where the nerves, blood vessels and fascia were haphazardly sewn into a knot that did not allow circulation. This is one of the reasons it ulcerated. Another contributing factor was that I had used a CBD salve over the summer in an effort to ease the pain. It had essential oils in it which I generally avoid putting on my skin. I should have read the label better. I'm currently packing the ulceration with powdered goldenseal, bloodroot, turmeric, calendula and white willow bark powder in a base of cold pressed apricot oil (for penetration). My plan is to deal with the white toxic stuff and then heal the wound. I would never use the "black salves" found on the market. Most of them contain a caustic agent. Make your own. That being said, the Christophers Black drawing salve does not contain a caustic, it just makes you smell like a camp fire.

abigail48

to the poster who was afraid of getting an ul lcerating cancer the moderators said it was quite rare and in my case it was 46 years after my first mistake taking birth control pills until the cyst went bad and other mistakes over the years. the above poster had a great deal of bad luck, and is now dealing with it proactively. read her post.

Heather49

I forgot to mention Susun Weed's book, "Breast Cancer? Breast Health!" [Punctuation is in the title] This was my go-to book after I was diagnosed. One of her suggestions in the book is to have a plastic surgeon close after the mastectomy. D'oh!

rameshd33

The white stuff is actually slough or necrotised tissue. It does not have a lot of blood supply, whereas healthy wound healing is characterised by rough, red, moist and bleeding mass, called granularisation. 

DMorris

Thank you HLB for yoir input. Do you know of a good wound care specialists in Chicago?

DMorris

Lisey and Wren, that's the easy way out! There is a solution I believe that does not include mutilation. I keep searching and will find it! I've always taken the road less traveled (the contrarian that I am). This situation is no different. However, I thank you for your opinion nonetheless.

DMorris

Lisey and Wren, that's the easy way out! There is a solution I believe that does not include mutilation. I keep searching and will find it! I've always taken the road less traveled (the contrarian that I am). This situation is no different. However, I thank you for your opinion nonetheless.

DMorris

Hi Abigal48

I am 49 years old. The tumor hadn't ulcerated at the time of me using the black salve it was still underneath the skin. The open wound seemingly came after using the black salve.

wrenn

I didn't feel that mastectomy was the "easy way out". I felt that it was practical and solved the problem. Abigail's problem has not been solved. When my gallbladder was poisoning me I had it removed after years of trying diet. 3 sisters and mother had the same issue. I saw it as a practical solution and I do not feel mutilated with that scar just as my mastectomy scars do not feel any more mutilating than an open wound would feel to me.

My perspective may very well come from my general laziness. I was driven round the bend from drains and a couple of weeks of healing mastectomy "wound" so I can't imagine dealing with same daily for years.

Again, I respect your decision and understand Abigail's fears of bleeding (which seems to be happening anyway) and wish you both comfort and peace. Thanks for respectful discussion. :-)

abigail48

I seem to now be able to control the bleeding pretty much, I hope that continues. someone here mentioned using a product called dragon's blood on such a wound which I guess dries it out. I use a small vornado heater next to the computer which does the same thing. bleeds a bit most days but havn't had a frightening bleed for a long time

abigail48

since it became ulcerated it has always been too big for surgery, the cyst it came from was always too big and would need toxic infusions which make no sense to me and I know from reading I couldn't tolerate