I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange

Anonymous

bugs - We're talking about current situations. Bringing up history is like blaming Bush. Yawn. Stretch. Geesh.

Medigal

Lindasa:  As you were aptly explaining, I had just googled up what Laura's word Wahhabism meant and you are indeed correct.  It's not what Laura had for supper thankfully.  As for "history" I am not pro blaming "us" for what our ancestors did.  I am only responsible for the acts "I" do with my life.  It is obvious if one studies the religions and how people obtained certain territories, it was not always done in a way "we" might approve of in this day and age.  The Indians certainly did get treated badly and chased off of the beautiful lands they settled in but "I" don't feel I should be held responsible for the actions of others.  Who knows?  If in the same time and circumstances, we might have done the same to secure a place to build a home in the new country.  I also never had a slave working for any of my family members so I do not think we are responsible for the action of others.

Frankly nothing incenses me more than people who want to make "this" generation responsible for what other generations did.  I think our generation has done quite a bit to make things better for the oppressed of other generations.

Anonymous

Medi

read more carefully.  I didn't say 11.  I said thousand are sorted through.  read it again S-L-0-W-L-Y. 

ananda8

Erica31,

I hope your friend shows up tonight.

crazy4carrots

Medigal -- I'm not blaming you, or myself, or our generation for the the "sins of the fathers".  I'm grateful every day that my ancestors had the courage to settle in the country Great Britain (and France) had claimed for their own.

OTOH, it behooves us all to acknowledge our own not-blameless Christian history before we cast aspersions on other religions by claiming that "they" as a whole are evil and should be shunned.

bluedahlia

I'm doing PT.  I think because I'm not walking on a slant anymore, that my muscles and spine are realigning so it will take some time.

Bren-2007

(((( Blue )))) sending hugs your way,

Bren

Anonymous

Hi Laura GTO,

Can you be more specific?

Eff~

Medigal

Erica:  I was referring to the 11 (Eleven) you wrote were serious enough for POTUS to take seriously.Whether I read it fast or slow, it means the same.  I know all in all there has to really be thousands so I understood your point.  I'm sorry you misunderstood my reply.

Anonymous

Tupelo, Notself,

I will need examples of how Islam subjugates women before commenting however, I can honestly say that has never been my experience nor that of my daughters.

Are either of you religious? I would like to have a dialogue with women of other religions regarding women's rights.

Eff~

Anonymous

Patmom, we are all children of Adam and Eve according to Islamic belief, so although I believe in defending the lives of Muslims who are unjustly attacked I feel equally responsible to protect the lives of non Muslims who are unjustly targeted. Do you think if I were at any of the locations that were targeted I would be warned or spared? I know that I would and my death would be justified by a number of bizarre excuses.

I don't suggest that you keep your head in the sand as ignorance begets ignorance, however if you insist on using actions perpetrated by unstable Muslims as a representation of Islam, I will refer to the Ku Klux Klan, child molesting priests and Rabbis who traffic human organs as a representation of Christianity and Judaism and we will see how far that gets us.

If you want to make claims that Islam is a violent religion you should be prepared to provided evidence to support your claims. BTW what religion are you and what does your religion say about war, violence, the treatment of other faiths and women?

Eff~

Anonymous

Who is being attacked?????????

bluedahlia

The Roman Catholic Religion teaches Jesus' word of Love.  Christians often forget that aspect, and that it would solve all our problems.

bluedahlia

Pat, I don't see an attack.

Anonymous

Efflorescing wrote:

you want to make claims that Islam is a violent religion

Your words, not mine.  Please do not tell lies about me and about what I say.

annettek

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

George Santayana

...just sayin

Anonymous

eff - What is your opinion of Israel/Israelis?

konakat

Oh come on Pat, who are you trying to fool.  Did you not refer to that video of atrocities (i.e, violence) and Islam?  You (and others) have linked violence and Islam several times, here and elsewhere.

lewing

Hmmm, Laura, what exactly are you insinuating?  Why are you repeatedly demanding that Eff talk about Israel, when that's not been a subject of discussion on this thread?

If you're dying to share your own opinions about Israel/Israelis (or about any other nation/nationality), then go ahead and post them, and if other people want to join the conversation, they will.  But I think it's more than a little rude to demand of a particular poster that *she* provide *you* with her opinion.

Linda

edited to correct a typo

bluedahlia

Pat, I still don't see an attack.

Anonymous

Hi AnneW,

I would love to share a cup of tea with you. Thanks for the invite.  I will compile a few books that I enjoy and send you the links as most are available to download for free.

Notself, what can I say? I know many women living in Saudi Arabia from diverse backgrounds who are happy and prosperous and would not leave Saudi under any circumstances. Have you actually spoken to Muslim women to ask thier opinion about the life of women in an Islamic society?

Regarding the Taliban, I find it odd that you credit your troops with being champions for women especially when they are leaving a trail of widows and orphans in thier wake while liberating the country. Are you saying the the objective of the U.S. militaryin Afghanistan is to protect Muslim women? We thought it might have something to do with the massive natural mineral deposits that were discovered which are said to dwarf those of the middle east.

Did you know that the U.S.compensates an Afghan women for the unlawful death of her husband or children $2,000.00 if she can proove that they were killed unlawfully? Would you accept this for yourself? Why are the Afghans lives of so little value? As I have said and will continue to say,  we Muslim women did not ask for the west to liberate us from our religion, our men or our clothing especially when women in the west continue to be raped, abused and murdered at such alarming rates and are still strugling for equal work equal pay.

Eff~

covertanjou

Medigal

Blue:  1John 4:8 teaches all about love and God.  I am glad to read that the Catholic Church teaches this.  Frankly, I can't see any Christian or any church which believes in God not teaching it.  That is my most favorite chapter in the Bible.  If man really heeded it, what a peaceful, loving world this would be! 

ananda8

Efflorescing,

The very nature of the veil says that men are not responsible for their reactions to women's faces and bodies.  Women must cover themselves or risk the lustful actions of men.   Inheritance laws favor men over women in the distribution of wealth.  The testimony of a woman is worth less than a man. In Saudi Arabia, women cannot drive and must have a man of their family escort them everywhere.  Women cannot own a business without a man being the legal owner.

If the above is not accurate please provide corrections and links.

Anonymous

Hi Erica31,

Ayaan Hirsi has been discredited time and time again as a liar and opportunist so her book is not on my short list.

I do not deny that honor killings exist but I challenge you or anyone else to provide proof that it's origin is from the Quran or the Sunnah.

911 pilots? As they were terrorist I assume thier objective was to terrorize. Again, is this allowed in Islam?

Why do Muslims want to kill Americans? My husband is at work right now and after he finishes that job he will go to another. The economy does not allow much free time for killing as supporting the family is a major concern. My parents and neighbors are American and they are safe from worrying that I want to kill them just as you are. On a global scale, I suppose the policies of America and the west towards Muslim countries could be the root of the problem espceailly when the west has supported the brutal dictators that rule of them along with the policies towards israel and the Palestinians.

Genital mutilation? From my understanding it is a cultural practice in a few Arab countries and I have yet to meet one women who has had it done. I believe the incidents are declining and with education it will disappear altogether.

Eff~

bluedahlia

Yes Medigal.  Jesus was a very intelligent being.  He had the answer. 

Anonymous

lewing - The question was not directed to you. MYOB...stop sticking your nose where it doesn't belong. I did not DEMAND anything...so stop exaggerating. Your drama really is unnecessary and quite unattractive. And when were you promoted to a position in the rude patrol? Geesh...

Bren-2007

Medigal .. My favorite book is Psalms.  That David had it going on .. he just kept messing up and calling out for help and forgiveness.  I love the Song of Solomon too.

Bren

Medigal

Eff:  Somehow I think you speak for quite a lot of women (and others) in your country.  When is the US going to learn to keep it's nose out of other people's business?  We have so many bleeding hearts in this country that they can't seem to face the reality that certain countries want "to be left alone!"   Eff wrote it so clearly and in my words it comes to:  "Clean up your own countries before you stick your noses in trying to tell us how to live our lives!"  If i misunderstood her post, maybe it's because I was reading in between the lines.

Bren-2007

Medigal .. Eff lives in the U.S., I believe she said.