baking soda...cancer cure?

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I found this video fancinating. I would like to get your reactions. Watched it last night...I am not sure if it adds to my confusion or clears it up??????  

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/08/05/fungus-causing-cancer-a-novel-approach-to-the-most-common-form-of-death.aspx?source=nl

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  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited December 2008

    Found this...interesting...has anyone heard about this?

    Cancer Fungus Fighter: Baking Soda


    Baking Soda (Sodium Bicardonate) is a powerful anti-fungal and is often used in medical facilities to treat urinary tract (fungal) infections. 

    In 1983, an Italian oncologist (Dr. Tullio Simoncini) frustrated with traditional cancer treatments, began treating his cancer patients with sodium bicarbonate.  He found that when the sodium bicarbonate (5% solution) was washed over the tumor sites, within weeks the tumors would disappear.  They could take it orally for intestinal cancers from the throat to the stomach, to the colon, yet a catheter was needed to flush the tumor sites in other parts of the body.

    Listen to this video at http://www.know-the-cause.com/

    In the mid 1970's, a healer in the USA (Jim Kelmun) began treating terminally ill cancer patients with sodium bicardonate combined (heated) with maple syrup.  He claims 15 years later that 185 of these patients are still alive.  Fungus and cancer cells love glucose, so they would be lured to eat the glucose (maple syrup) mix, yet be eating deadly anti-fungal sodium bicarbonate at the same time.

    Click here to read orignial article.

    Jim Kelmun's Protocol - Mix one part baking soda with three parts (pure, 100%) maple syrup in a small saucepan.  Stir Briskly. Heat the mixture for 5 minutes. 

    Take 1 teaspoon twice daily.  Do NOT refrigerate this mixture. Keep it at room temperature, in a dark area, and use it until it starts to separate in two or three days, then make another batch.

    Very Important Note: Do not use baking soda which has had aluminum added to it, such as Arm and Hammer. Buy a product, which specifically states it does not include aluminum or other chemicals. This will probably have to be purchased at a health food store or online (e.g. Bob's Red Mill, Aluminimum-Free, Baking Soda).

  • juliebb
    juliebb Member Posts: 140
    edited December 2008

    Yes I read about Tullio Simoncini MD, form Bill henderson. He's on youtube too. These other treatments barry posted are new to me and very interesting. Glad I checked in tonight. Good job!

  • mysoulmate
    mysoulmate Member Posts: 14
    edited December 2008

    Dear Barry.

    This is very interesting. I remember my grand mother using maple syrups and baking soda as sort of "cure-all" medicine long back. hmmmm.. Do you mind explaining further about "one part mising with three parts" instruction? I don't quite understand that.

    Thank you very much.

  • lvtwoqlt
    lvtwoqlt Member Posts: 6,162
    edited December 2008

    Mysoulmate, the 1 part mixing with 3 parts is like taking 1 Tbs baking soda and mixing it with 3 Tbls maple syrup. Just keep the 1 to 3 ratio in proportions.

  • mysoulmate
    mysoulmate Member Posts: 14
    edited December 2008

    I've done lots of reading on this since I saw barry's post. It's indeed very interesting and possibly an option I'd like to give a shot. However, all the materials I read were pretty much carbon copies of this "country doctor" named Jim and an Italian oncologist and not much more and newer information. This is interesting, too. Can anyone shed some lights on this? Any of you have tried this? Thank you for comments in advance.

    Desperately seeking...

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited December 2008

    Baking soda is great for cleaning your teeth, scrubbing sinks, baking muffins, and I even use if for bee stings. But suggesting it's a cancer cure ... nope. No evidence of it.

  • althea
    althea Member Posts: 1,595
    edited December 2008

    I got a window requiring me to divulge my email address before I could access the video.  I'm pretty stingy with my email address these days, so I didn't view the link you provided.  The whole topic of the maple syrup/baking soda cure was discussed here months ago.  Someone added a response yesterday, so it's just down the list a few topics. 

    barry, if I were in your shoes, I'd probably give it a whirl.  There can't be any downside.  The materials are readily available.  Heck, it sounds like it even tastes good.  If it works, you'll save yourself a world of unpleasant procedures and downtime, and if it doesn't, well, at least you gave it a try.  As I mentioned in the other thread, I perceive the entire pool of information as tainted.  Whether you're an advocate of alternative approaches, or mainstream, or inbetween, we are all subject to a system that values money more than truth.  In the article, there's a claim that 185 people survived their cancer lived another 15 years and more.  Others say it doesn't count as evidence.  Some say sugar is sugar is sugar and you might as well use refined white sugar in place of the maple syrup.  I think it sounds like propaganda from the corn syrup industry.   I just don't see how refined white sugar could be interchangeable with unrefined syrup from a tree.  

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited December 2008
  • konakat
    konakat Member Posts: 6,085
    edited December 2008

    Barry -- I've read many of your posts and I can't decide if you are genuine or just trying to shock people -- injecting baking soda and water into your tumor???  I certainly hope you are an eccentric person with a wild joie de vivre and not just amusing yourself at our expense. 

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited December 2008

    Konakat I don't know if you looked at this video or not..if you did you would know why

    I would try anything before traditonal treatment. I am opting for surgery, but if my dx was more than dcis I would search out the doctor on the video.  B

  • konakat
    konakat Member Posts: 6,085
    edited December 2008

    Thank-you for your message Barry.  I'm so sorry you're going through this disease, and happy that you are an interesting and inquisitive person.  My apologies if I caused offense -- It's one of those days and I am sorry being witchy.  I wish you all the best.

    Elizabeth

  • FloridaLady
    FloridaLady Member Posts: 2,155
    edited December 2008

    I had someone send me info from the San Antonino conference where they are now looking at immune disorders and cancer.  They are looking at people with know disorders and possible disorders they can not diagnose yet.  Example: Lupus, Abstain bar(sp).  The thought is we may all have on one this disorders and they should be treating this not the cancer. Dah!  A lot of bc ladies do show up with immune disorders after treatment so they are now going backwards.

    I'm sure this is ten or so years out.

    Flalady

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited December 2008

    Flalady, I think you mean autoimmune disorders, e.g. rheumatoid arthritis, scleroderma, lupus, diabetes, multiple sclerosis -- and some 100 others.

    Both autoimmune disorders and cancers are diseases caused by a malfunctioning immune system.  I know several researchers whose work in autoimmunity carries over into their colleagues' cancer research, and vice versa.  Thankfully, they share their info!

  • jerseymaria
    jerseymaria Member Posts: 770
    edited December 2008

    this is something i've wondered about many times.  i was dx with autoimmune disease in 91, although i'm convinced i've had all my life...asthma at age 2, hashimotos at age 21 etc.

    i wasn't dx with bc until 06 since i've been treated for bc my lupus seems to be in complete remission although my diagnostic numbers never change.  i do know that some of the cancer drugs are given to patients with severe lupus.  it was even offered to me at one time and i declined...wondering now if that was a smart thing...perhaps bc wouldn't have happened?

  • juliebb
    juliebb Member Posts: 140
    edited December 2008

    jerseymaria,

    Were you around a lot of chemicals growing up? Second hand smoke or wood smoke? 

    Julie 

  • jerseymaria
    jerseymaria Member Posts: 770
    edited December 2008

    no actually i had no exposure like that.  lived in somerset county, nj for 25 years and do remember reading years before i was dx with autoimmune disease, that somerset county had the highest rate of lupus in the country.  that article for some reason caught my eye and sure enough i did come down with it years later while still living in the same house.  it was new construction, built on a former farm with lots of green acres behind us...very rural area when we first moved in.  go figure.  as i said earlier i think i was born with it.  maria

  • juliebb
    juliebb Member Posts: 140
    edited December 2008

    Maria,

    This makes me very curious. > "Somerset County had the highest rate of Lupus in the country." Wonder what they attribute it to. Your home was new construction. Wonder if there was any treatment like a toxic pesticide near the housing or some chemical like formaldehyde in the new building  material. What do you think? We need Erin Brockovich!

  • juliebb
    juliebb Member Posts: 140
    edited December 2008

    Maria,

     http://www.townsendletter.com/Nov2008/healthrisk1108.htm

    This article talks about toxic exposures and Lupus. I know Dioxin is one specific carcinogen that contributes to breast cancer development. Dioxin is in tobacco smoke and even more in wood smoke. EPA certified wood stoves produce more dioxin than the older wood stove. I know there are many other sources of dioxin exposure, plastic wrap is another source. I am thinking out loud here.

  • epete
    epete Member Posts: 22
    edited January 2009

    Well that gives me a great idea to use under my poor blstered armpit from lymphodema. I'm already using hydrogen peroxide jelly.  I thik I'l use baking soda instead of cornstarch as antiperspirant. Will keep you posted.

  • epete
    epete Member Posts: 22
    edited January 2009

    I'm a little late getting in on this discussion but wanted to add - the whole principle behind IPT treatments (low-dose chemo) is that cancer loves sugar. Insulin Potentiation Therapy gets your body and cancer cells screaming for sugar and then they drop the chemos - at about one-tenth the strength. I did IPT every week for about a year - we feel it may have helped contain my inflammatory breast cancer, but I didn't see real results until I started hyperthermia and low-dose radiation down in LA.

  • waterlady
    waterlady Member Posts: 56
    edited January 2009

    Please check out this link, BEFORE trying the maple syrup and Baking Soda.  I did try it, and it made me feel sick.  The doctor who injects it into the tumor is successful and curing cancer, but it is not a good idea to take it orally.

    http://cancertutor.com/Cancer02/Kelmun.html 

    Best wishes

    Fern

  • bruce3
    bruce3 Member Posts: 1
    edited February 2009

    All of this is true about sugar,but since most don't really get enough excercise the effects of sugar is magnified.

    I spoke to Jack LaLane holder of some 75 world records unbeaten as yet,and he says that excercise is King and nutrition is Queen.We have some 600 muscles the Lord gave us.Kind of a hint!!!

    Dr.Simoncini says that many tumors are in hard to reach places and need to be directly infused with sodium bicarbonate.He has had some success with brain tumors after he was able to infuse the tumor/s directly.

    One must take potassium/magnesium and calcium as these minerals are 'used up' in the therapy.

  • Byron
    Byron Member Posts: 25
    edited February 2009

     The Calcium is easy isn't it?

    Tums.

  • Byron
    Byron Member Posts: 25
    edited February 2009

    Bruce3,

    You wrote:

    "I spoke to Jack LaLane holder of some 75 world records unbeaten as yet,and he says that exercise is King and nutrition is Queen...."

    Some people who are ill, and who would probably be more healthy with exercise, have sore feet (caused by a lack of good health) and are not able to exercise due to the sore feet.  Can Baking Soda and Maple Syrup help to fix their dried-out and sore feet (especially under the heels of their feet)?

    Byron

  • ccbaby
    ccbaby Member Posts: 985
    edited March 2009

    The homeopathic lady I go to suggests drinking water mixed with a teaspoon of baking soda or buying her baking soda tablets to get your PH level at the right level to help combat cancer and to help a list of many other things.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2009

    There is no way to alter your pH through diet.

  • Byron
    Byron Member Posts: 25
    edited March 2009

     ccbaby,

     I have tried this too.  The problem with it is that too much sodium can cause dehydration problems (plus baking soda tastes so bad). Have you asked your homeopathic lady about Tums? (calcium carbonate)?  They are cheap and are much better tasting (and must be good for problems with osteoporosis) than baking soda (and alkalizing in the stomach).

     Byron

     LJ13,

    I have heard before that there is no way to alter the body's pH.  Are you suggesting that the digestive tract and the urinary tract cannot be altered or just the blood pH cannot be altered?

     Byron

  • ccbaby
    ccbaby Member Posts: 985
    edited March 2009

    Byron,

    I  will see her on Wednesday and ask her about it, thanks.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2009

    Byron, from what I have read you can alter the digestive tract and UT slightly by diet. This is one of the mechanisms believed to be in effect with cranberry juice. It is less of a factor that an actual compound within the cranberry itself.

    Blood, or systemic pH typically cannot be changed by simple diet changes in the absence of disease. When the pH goes acidic (such as diabetic acidosis, or changes caused by severe liver disease), it needs to be treated or it can lead to organ damage and ultimately death.

  • Byron
    Byron Member Posts: 25
    edited March 2009

    LJ13,

    What you say, as I understand it, is correct.

    I have tested my own saliva and urine with litmus paper (many times) and they change, sometimes a little, sometimes a lot.

    Also, as I understand it, blood pH (which remains slightly alkaline at about pH 7.2), when under severe stress such as you indicate when ill, may also become acidic but this is not usually the case.

    In the event the blood (circulatory system) or other system(s) become acidic, it is important to become aware of it because there are sometimes ways to deal with this.

    One of the best ways to deal with raised levels of acid is through regular exercise.  With diabetes, for example, the person's feet may be a problem (they may be sore and exercise may cause them to be even worse) so even walking must be restricted.  There are ways, however, to deal with the problem feet for some of these people.  If you wish I will give you what little I know concerning how to best deal with this catch 22.

    Byron

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