baking soda...cancer cure?

1WonderWoman

Evabarry: that baking soda w/maple syrup reminded me of a funny story that got rid of something equally as insidious as cancer: roaches!!!!   A friend was in grad school and in NJ and ived in an apt filled with roaches.  She was so upset.  In any case, finally she figured out what to do:  left a tray of cookie crumbles on a cookie sheet in the oven laced with boric acid!!!!!  Here come all the roaches, as they love some cookies I guess?!, and there they all went to their death! 

In any case, a little Arm & Hammer and maple syrup cocktail would not hurt us so I would gladly give it a whirl!

Thanks for posting these interesting methods.  I had never heard of such things.

bltw2

I have not been able to make the maple syrup bind with the baking soda as it's supposed to. It separates on cooling.  If it isn't bound together, the baking soda wouldn't be carried into the cancer cell and the maple syrup would feed the cancer cells.

Helen-Ann

Soda and maple syrop  cannot "bind" together  and any chemist know it.The baking soda will be neutralized by stomach acid and form CO2, H2O and salt . 

Momine

bltw, I doubt it matters, since it will be broken down in your stomach anyway and transformed into glucose and whatever constituent parts it has.



I can't see any way that you could somehow trick your body into delivering baking soda into the bloodstream wrapped up in glucose.

vivre

 I just saw this conversation, and have not really read through it but I thought I would add what little I know about the baking soda cure.

It sure seems impossible doesn't it? Something as cheap as baking soda curing cancer? Imagine how many cancer centers would lose their livilihood if this was true.

Is it true? I have no idea, but I sure would explore the possibility if I still had cancer. 

I first heard about this protocol a couple of years ago when I heard Dr. John Apsley speak about how he was trying to find a way to get the baking soda directly to the cancer cellsm bypassing the digestive system. I am not sure if he succeeded, but I saw him again last weekend at the Health Freedom Expo and after having heard his lectures and spoken with him a couple of times, I do believe he is no charlatan. He is a man who really wants to find a cure. He is a brilliant doctor, and way above my level when he lectures, but I find him fascinating. I also believe he has integrity. He is not getting rich off of people. His compassion comes from his own health crisis. He himself was on his way to the Olympics as a swimmer in the 70's when his adrenals shut down (all that chlorine in the pool?). He had to give up swimming but went on to  med school and spent decades going around the world, studying indigenous tribes with longevity and learning about things like water purity and native diets.

take it for what it is worth, he is a man of integrity and he has spoken out about the baking soda cure. Here are some links:

 http://www.jmbblog.com/2009/05/radio-interview-with-dr-apsley-on-dr-simoncini-protocol-for-cancer/

http://www.naturalhealtharchives.com/sodium-bicarbonate-cancer-treatment.php

luv_gardening

The author of this article from the University of Arizona is fairly convinced that drinking baking soda does work, but how much, how often, what other conditions etc are the big questions.  The NIH don't grant $2Million for preliminary studies without good reason.

Grant to Fuel Baking Soda Cancer Therapy Research

By Steve Delgado, College of Engineering, March 30, 2012
Drinking baking soda has been proven to reduce or eliminate the spread of breast cancer to the lungs, brain and bone, but too much of it can damage normal organs.

A $2 million grant from the National Institutes of Health will enable University of Arizona biomedical engineering researchers to improve the way doctors measure the effectiveness of drinking baking soda to fight breast cancer.

The grant will be used to help refine a new magnetic resonance imaging method for measuring pH, or acid content, of a tumor that has been discovered in a patient but not yet treated.

By measuring the acid content of the tumor, doctors can monitor the effectiveness of personalized treatments such as baking soda on both tumors and healthy tissue, and even predict the effectiveness of chemotherapies before the patient starts the medication.

Drinking baking soda has been proven to reduce or eliminate the spread of breast cancer to the lungs, brain and bone, but too much baking soda can also damage normal organs.

"In other words, this test is designed to lead to personalized medicine for cancer patients, by optimizing the therapy to each individual," said Mark "Marty" Pagel, UA associate professor of biomedical engineering and lead researcher on the project.

Just as people feel the burn from lactic acid produced in their muscles during rigorous exercise, tumors also produce lactic acid when they are actively growing, Pagel said. This acid destroys surrounding tissue, which allows the tumor to grow, invade surrounding areas, and metastasize to other organs in the body. "The acid also provides resistance to common chemotherapies," Pagel said.

"Measuring the pH in a tumor is essential, because some drugs only work at the right pH," said Jennifer Barton, professor and head of UA biomedical engineering. "Patients can actually change their body's pH to make their cancer drugs more effective - it can be as simple as drinking baking soda - but this process has to be carefully monitored."

... Article continues, see the link.

Saille

If it was a cure there wouldn't ever be any research published, would there? Not economically viable. Not so? If the world were free of cancer then how else would control be excercised?

Momine

Joy, thanks for the link. However, last time I saw something about this, I checked around a bit and nowhere did I see any evidence that drinking the soda could inhibit cancer.



As far as I remember, there is evidence that injecting baking soda into cancer cells in a petri dish will kill them, but that is a very different thing.



It would be lovely though if I could just eat some scones and call that cancer treatment

luv_gardening

Saille, it's not a cure.  It's being researched.  Once UofA find how best to monitor the Ph around tumours, they can apply for another study grant to research different doses and see how it affects the tumour and treatments.  It won't be hidden as one in two or three of the researchers and their families will get a cancer diagnosis some time in their life. They want the cure as much as anyone else.  Their reputation would be right up in the high ranks and history books if they could cure even one of the major cancers.  There is no conspiracy.

I urge everyone to visit the "Clinical Trials, Research, News, and Study Results" section of this forum regularly.  There's a TED talk discussing opening up research in Open Source manner, so anyone could apply to research some promising lead or substance and collaborate with each other.  Also articles about changing the parameters of research so it's easier to find and prove potential treatments.  So much research is looking promising.  I'm hopeful there will be better treatments, vaccines or even cures soon so we can look forward to a long life.

luv_gardening

Ooohhh don't tempt me Momine, I'm trying hard to be gluten free.   The researchers and centre all look genuine so I can't see why they would be so sure of their statements if there was no basis behind the study.  Who am I to argue with biomedical engineering researchers with a huge grant?

Momine

Joy, it may be correct, just sounds off to me. Engineers are not doctors, and people who write science articles are rarely scientists.



Anyway, I am happy someone is looking into it.



How did I tempt you with gluten? I am all confused here, lol.

luv_gardening

The scone.  I'm craving such foods at  the moment.

The engineers are presumably required for the MRI refinements used to measure Ph.  But the NHI wouldn't be funding this unless they had some idea it was worthy.  They would have some sort of assessments to decide which studies are worth pursuing.  It surely wouldn't be granted without the science behind it?  Does that sound likely to you?

I'm close to someone working for an Australian company that was started with a grant for the same amount and they had to prove themselves against many other applications that were turned down. The technology with the most potential and most likely to succeed got the grant.  Phew, you're stretching my communication skills here.  I don't pretend to understand the science, but I know the decision makers do.

camillegal

Now remember this post is from me Camille--and u know already how I know nothing about anything anyone talks about but here's my 1 cent worth. And I'm sure u know who he is and how u feel about him. Yrs and yrs. ago I read book about Edgar Casey the sleeping prophet and in one of his sight seeing tours he said cancer is a simple thing to cure and he said (I don't remember exactly) they'll find a household product that will kill cells and the researhers and pharm won't want it known for obvious reasons--Hold on I didn't say I believe it, but I remember being on the kick of reading these books with my friends. He said (in the early 40's) that cancer will be such a money maker in yrs to come that blocking cures will be very probable---I did read yrs ago LOL

Momine

Shoot! Sorry, I shall not mention scones again.



They are trying to find a reliable method to measure the PH of tumors. That in itself does not presuppose that "drinking baking soda has been proven to reduce or eliminate cancers." It is quite possible that the guy writing got something back asswards.



Again, as far as I could gather, baking soda has shown an effect in a petri dish, "in vitro" as they call it. I could find nothing showing baking soda effective "in vivo" i.e. in people administered orally. The problem being that if you drank enough soda to mess with your body ph to the point of having any effect on the tumor, you would kill yourself in the process. I would think the study is to develop a measuring method, because that way you would have a reliable way of measuring whether various methods, including perhaps injecting baking soda, had a real effect on the ph of the tumor.



I don't mean to be a pain, but I work as an editor, so that is how I tend to read stuff purporting to be factual.

sweetbean

yes, pretty much everything kills cancer in a petri dish.  it's called the "Chlorox Effect."  Getting it to kill cancer in a person is the trick.

luv_gardening

Great, now I see what you mean.  Yes, it could be a misinterpretation or exaggeration by the writer.  The articles I posted show that it's been tested in mice too. (yes, I know we're not mice and wish they could find better ways to test things) 

So we all wait to see what comes of this.  If it was as simple as drinking baking soda then I'm sure we would know by now from all the miraculous cures.  But maybe there are other requirements for it to work.  I keep an open mind.

Momine

Joy, I found the mouse study and apparently the oral administration did lower surface PH of the tumor, but not internal PH. Theyvapparently also tried injection. So it does seem like the new study is concerned with finding a really accurate measuring method and then checking different ways of getting the soda in there. Let's hope they make good progress.

luv_gardening

Here's one:

Cancer Res. 2009 Mar 15;69(6):2260-8. Epub 2009 Mar 10. Bicarbonate increases tumor pH and inhibits spontaneous metastases.
Robey IF, Baggett BK, Kirkpatrick ND, Roe DJ, Dosescu J, Sloane BF, Hashim AI, Morse DL, Raghunand N, Gatenby RA, Gillies RJ.
Source
Arizona Cancer Center, University of Arizona, Tucson, Arizona, USA.
Abstract
The external pH of solid tumors is acidic as a consequence of increased metabolism of glucose and poor perfusion. Acid pH has been shown to stimulate tumor cell invasion and metastasis in vitro and in cells before tail vein injection in vivo. The present study investigates whether inhibition of this tumor acidity will reduce the incidence of in vivo metastases. Here, we show that oral NaHCO(3) selectively increased the pH of tumors and reduced the formation of spontaneous metastases in mouse models of metastatic breast cancer. This treatment regimen was shown to significantly increase the extracellular pH, but not the intracellular pH, of tumors by (31)P magnetic resonance spectroscopy and the export of acid from growing tumors by fluorescence microscopy of tumors grown in window chambers. NaHCO(3) therapy also reduced the rate of lymph node involvement, yet did not affect the levels of circulating tumor cells, suggesting that reduced organ metastases were not due to increased intravasation. In contrast, NaHCO(3) therapy significantly reduced the formation of hepatic metastases following intrasplenic injection, suggesting that it did inhibit extravasation and colonization. In tail vein injections of alternative cancer models, bicarbonate had mixed results, inhibiting the formation of metastases from PC3M prostate cancer cells, but not those of B16 melanoma. Although the mechanism of this therapy is not known with certainty, low pH was shown to increase the release of active cathepsin B, an important matrix remodeling protease.
PMID: 19276390 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
PMCID: PMC2834485
 

So the oral route was superior to injections?  Am I reading this correctly or have I missed the point?

The other study clearly states oral administration.

luv_gardening

Crossed posts.  Seems like we're on the same page though.  

Momine

Yep, lol.

LaurenG

I am a Stage 4 with IDC in left breast (likely, cell/small tumor left behind developed).  Now it is in my sternum, but not much past that yet.  I am just beginning a non-chemo treatment with Palbociblib (for treating the cancer) and Letrozole (anti-estrogen) with Xgeva injections every 3 weeks for bone reconstruction.  I have looked into this Maple Syrup & Baking Soda (aluminum-free) remedy and have been taking one Tablespoon daily for over a week.  I cannot find data that shows this to be a hoax or have bad results.  I am taking notes, as well. I would like to know if anyone else has tried this or had results.  Thanks.

LvinAZ44

ive asked my dr about baking soda to lower pH and he said it would be almost impossible to lower the pH in your blood. That being said I still may try it.

StaceySue2U

I tried it. I normally have low blood pressure (90/50 is normal for me) and within days of starting it my blood pressure was 140s/80s or 90s and my fingers were swollen up with fluid retention. That's an awful lot of sodium to put in our bodies.

Momine

laurenG, it is a hoax, I am afraid: http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2013/06/26/sweet-and-alkaline-wont-win-the-war-against-cancer/

Logically it simply doesn't hold. Whether the syrup is "bound" with the baking soda or not, the "bind" will be broken down in your digestive system and the syrup will be converted to glucose in order to enter the bloodstream. I did see a study where the researchers injected actual baking soda (in water, I think) into the tumor, which seemed to have an effect. So I am not knocking the concept, just the idea that you can get the syrup/soda mixture to enter your bloodstream directly.

Anonymous

I think someone in the old posts mentioned the Clorox effect, which makes a lot of sense. The body is very fine tuned and there is nothing baking soda can do to change your whole pH balance. I do believe that nutrition and food are important, but baking soda is not nutrition. The best you can do for your body is to eat as many plant based meals as you can, stick with lean meats, and avoid inflammation causing foods.