baking soda...cancer cure?

eyewitness

I (eyewitness) am only me and am new here.  This is so completely uncalled for.  I am not, do not know, and don't give a rat's *ss if I never know whoever this trouty person is.  I don't know what has gone on for the "years" in member's life that he or she has been here to make him/her so very antagonistic.  I have no business interests to further on this site (unless someone here is a publisher of science fiction - no? As I thought).  If not for this attack from Member, I would go so far as to post my mother's name and  phone number for anyone interested to speak directly with her.  After all, they're already calling her from the four corners.  But after something like this experience, I would never dare subject my mother to even the remote possibility of some stranger (member) calling her for the sole purpose of cruelty.  I just stumbled across this forum and felt compelled to offer my fellow man what I could.  After this, I will not be staying.  Good luck to everyone here... except member.  You can all thank member for denying you any further information from me.  I will never come back here again.

bluedahlia

Nice knowing you!  bye

Member_of_the_Club

My posts about the rebounder:

[I don't know about the benefits of G forces on individual cells, I don't think I'm buying that.  But that list accurately reflects the benefits of exercise, especially aerobic exercise (though i would add some weight-bearing exercise is also necessary to strengthen bones). My feeling is that the only exercise that will be beneficial is that which you enjoy and will therefore keep doing.  If thats bouncing on a trampoline, fantastic.  But going for regular walks is also wonderful exercise.  Riding a stationary bike while listening to music or watching TV -- ditto.  Going to a water aerobics class.  Yoga (though not necessarily aerobic, it does other things).  There isn't one prescription for exercise but I do think everyone should find something that works for them.It is actually a myth that running wears down the joints.  Unless you get an acute injury, running is protective of joint degeneration. This is been studied conclusively (another recent study came out).  Its not for everyone, but I love it.]Also this: [Exercise will not prevent lymphedema.  Its two edged.  Movement allows the lymphatic system to keep flowing but exercise also taxes the system.  And for some women with lymphedema, exercise exacerbates the situation.By all means jump or move, its a fantastic thing to do for your overall health.   But if you are at high risk for lymphedema, consult a lymphedema specialist.  And if you have any aching or heaviness in your affected arm, stop until you meet with a lymphedema specialist. If exercise prevented lymphedema as emphatically as Vivre says, I wouldn't have it.  There aren't many here who exercise as much as I do.  With my compression sleeve and glove on while I run, it is very much under control. ] I'm not sure why Luann thinks these are attacks. 

thenewme

Yep, "eyewitness," it's spam.  Your nonsense posts show every single classic red flag for spam and quackery in the book.  Buh-bye.

Hi Member_of_the_club!  I, for one, always appreciate your well-reasoned, logical, and informative posts!  Unfortunately there seem to be some people out there who cry foul anytime their theories are questioned or disputed, rather than discuss the issue at hand or present facts. I don't get it either.

Anonymous

Who would bother talking to puppets

Member_of_the_Club

And for the record, I am not questioning rebounding!  If you like to rebound, thats great.  I just wanted to clarify some things about lymphedema.  I'm still perplexed that my posts, quoted above, upset anyone.

AnneW

Please don't ANYONE post names and phone numbers on a public forum such as this. That's just asking for trouble!

digger

Atta girl, Luan....the more you post, the easier it is to get a read on you.

elmcity69

MOTC: your posts are always well informed, thoughtful, and supportive. No worries.

digger, you always make me laugh - i love wit and brevity matched!

digger

Thanks elmcity!

And eyewitness, you're totally right, we should all thank Member.  As always, Member, I respect your sage advice and wisdom. 

suzieq60

MOC - can't figure out what could have upset anyone - your posts are level headed and worth reading.

Digger - Spot on!!!

BTW - I changed my name from SuePen - never did like it

Sue

char123

Eyewitness;  Way to obvious.....What a joke....IMO ,Glad MOTC polices the site!

Luna5

vivre...what's in your vinegar and baking soda cocktail?

luv_gardening

How is the baking soda and maple syrup used?  It doesn't sound like anyone trying to sell anything as these are just regular shopping items.

I wonder sometimes whether someone might find a genuine but unorthodox cure and many will fail to get the benefit as their mind just won't stretch that far.  They'll be waiting for the scientific attention, then the approval for in-vitro studies, followed by in-vivo studies, phase one and two trials, then the ten to fifteen years of RCT's.  Nothing wrong with the scientific studies but meanwhile some brave people are prepared to try different things now.  Millions die from cancer around the world every year so let the brave people experiment without all the abuse please.

Let's join together, scientists, experimenters, let's beat our common enemy, cancer, between us.

Here's to good health and happiness for all!  

Member_of_the_Club

Hey did anyone notice that eyewitness' first post referred to her father with terminal cancer and now she refers to her mother?  Still believe her?

 She or he is promoting a specific "doctor" and his "treatment." 

luv_gardening

I assume eyewitness meant to call "her" mother about the father and uncle.  However, I doubt any woman would use the expression "...felt compelled to offer my fellow man what I could.."

Surely only a man would say that?  I'd say, my BC sisters, or maybe alternative minded people? Even if it was a men's forum I couldn't say my fellow man as I'm not a man.  Strange. 

hymil

No, with respect I disagree there, Joy, That does depend where and how you are brought up.  I am a child of the sixites but am still of a culture where "the male embraces the female" (ha, if only) meaning that references to he/him/his include and imply she/her/hers as well, unless specifically excluded. I was brought up to consider myself as a person, a member of mankind, and not a second class one either. Rosie the rivetter was one of our role models, and the best man for the job would often turn out to be a woman. Being a girl had no ONLY iinvolved and was no excuse for quitting school, shirking the obligations of the breadwinning taxpaying rat-race or refusing your dream to become an astronaut.  We didn't need inclusive language because we didn't feel excluded. If anything, we may have been over-optimistically enabled, but that's another story! When we read about "He who will not forgive his brother...." it obviously extended to women and their sisters as well, just as much as "Ask not what your country can do for you..."

A prime example of how tthe call to universal compassion transcends issues of gender, one treasure from my schooldays is a Bronze Medallion for pool lifesaving, the motto of the british Royal Life Saving Society engraved in latin along with my name and the date:  Quemcunque miserum videris, hominem scias.  rendered as, Whomsoever you see suffering, recognise therein mankind. (the current facebook will give this as "recognise in them a fellow human being"  which is sadly much further from accuracy since the plural "them" in introduced merely to avoid using him/her, quem and hominem both being singular.  But the point of the motto is that it doesn't matter if it's a guy or a gal drowning, or black or white, yellow or green, liberal, democrat, muslim, jew; whoever it is need rescuing, just as you would hope nobody stops from rescuing you just because of embarrassment about the cross-chest clutch! So personally I do support eyewitness's use of "fellow man". in  "I .... felt compelled to offer my fellow man what I could." which is the same compassionate response.

 edited to add: excerpt from the RLSS website: The original Society Secretary, William Henry said in 1910:

"The inception of the Royal Life Saving Society was due to the oft-expressed desire to minimise the great loss of life from drowning, to teach those possessed of ordinary courage the best methods of rescue, and the resuscitation of the apparently drowned

The desire to save a human life, the thought to lend a hand to a brother in peril, the sympathy with distress which the many feel, but know little how to express, so greatly underlie the work of the Society that there is little wonder it has found its way into human hearts far from London, the city of its birth".    [my emphasis added]

apple

baking soda certainly is cheap enough... it could also kill ya in large quantities.

hmmmmm what to do ... what to do.

hymil

I found this too.

In President John F. Kennedy's Inaugural Address, he provided what is quite possibly one of his most famous quotes:

"My fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you -- ask what can you do for your country."

This was followed up by,

"My fellow citizens of the world, ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man."

 

http://www.halexandria.org/dward821.htm

Did he not intend us also to work for the freedom of woman?

luv_gardening

Our Australian prime ministers are always referring to "My fellow Australians"  That's a different type of fellowship but it still makes me cringe.  At one time, when I was a child, books and public speakers referred to" him" and "he" and presumed the reader had a wife or girlfriend.  I don't follow any of those old-fashioned books or leaders so I don't have to put up with such sexism.

I would be happy to help anyone from any category or walk in life if it was within my power to help including those who don't understand why certain language discriminates and marginalises.

Since the above mentioned American leader wanted freedom for people, and we already have the right to choose our own treatment within limits, or to refuse treatment, and we have the right to free speech, then I'm sure you'll all agree that we have the right to discuss alternative treatments too.  Those who are rude or trying to impose their own values where they are not wanted are just putting their rudeness on display for all to see. Rude people have no input into my life or decisions.  Also I welcome all civil discussions and points of view, but life is certainly easier when we don't have to constantly deal with those who disagree with us, whatever our point of view.

Since Eyewitness left the conversation I wondered if she was a he, so I'm neither giving nor withdrawing support, just wondering why anyone would refer to fellow man on a BC forum where men are greatly outnumbered.  And I don't support or deny baking soda as I know little about it.  If my life was at stake I'd try anything within reason, starting with the most harmless things, after all, it's my life and once I'm gone it's too late.  Doctor's don't have the answer to stage IV yet so they shouldn't have a monopoly on treatments when theirs are known to fail.  Surely the right to save my own life from suffering and death is the most important and basic right of all. 

Member_of_the_Club

JFK's inaugural address was before I was born.  Yes, often "men" is used to mean "people" but usually in informal discussion these days women do not refer to themselves as men.  I found the switch from father to mother more suspicious.

impositive

If 'eyewitness' is still reading (and I wouldn't blame you if you aren't), please explain the baking soda and maple syrup protocol.  There are some of us who are actually interested in hearing about it.  What is the recipe and how much did your father take and for how long? 

luv_gardening

A quick google bought up this page which I neither support nor condemn.

 

http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/health/holistic_alternative_medicine/news.php?q=1209404469

impositive

"I wonder sometimes whether someone might find a genuine but unorthodox cure and many will fail to get the benefit as their mind just won't stretch that far. They'll be waiting for the scientific attention, then the approval for in-vitro studies, followed by in-vivo studies, phase one and two trials, then the ten to fifteen years of RCT's. Nothing wrong with the scientific studies but meanwhile some brave people are prepared to try different things now. Millions die from cancer around the world every year so let the brave people experiment without all the abuse please."..................Reposted as it bears repeating.

As always....very well said Sheila.  Thank you for the link.  BCO is such a wonderful tool for us.  I wish we could come here and freely speak about these things.  'Eyewitness' and others have been driven away, by those who feel the need to protect the site from things they themselves cant get their minds around.  I dont know what his/her intent was.  It was obviously not profit because as you said, we can pick these things up at our local Wal-Mart.  I have an open mind, as obviously, no one's figured this cancer thing out yet.  I welcome information.  I can do with it what I please, whether it be utilizing any or all of a remedy or tossing it out.  Unfortunately there are a few at BCO that feel it is their duty to prevent that from happening. 

This sight is here to gather information from both camps, get support and even just to have light-hearted conversations about out favorite TV shows.  So it is those men/women I appeal to....please do not stand in the way of our discussions.  You may not agree with them and that's okay but driving those away as you did here, prevents us from using this sight in the same manner you have been allowed.  

Hindsfeet

I am surprised that this thread is once again alive. I initially posted because I wanted to know if it worked. I was so glad to read eyewitness' account. I know of someone else who had the treatment successfully. If the doctor gave up on me then what does it matter if people try alternative treatment. Like Shelia said, I first would try therapy that didn't have serious side effects.

I don't understand why some people get so bent out of shape over this or other alternative therapies. And, I don't know why people are judged if they don't put out their dx stats. Blue dalphia seems to be in the other camp and doesn't give stats. I know nothing about whoever this person is yet this person isn't questioned by the conventional ladies.

I do hope eyewitness comes back and gives the formula...hopefully I  will not need it, but if I did, perhaps I'll try it. I have the freedom and intelligence to research it and to find out for myself.

Anonymous

Hello I, for one, being stage 3, am willing to use the recipe, but do not really want to have to google it but obtain it from someone who has used it and can testify to it. It,s really too bad this lady is gone

hymil

ON page one of this thread there's a post by evebarry, the first reply, giving the recipe that Jim Kelmun  used, I don't know if there are other combinations with the baking soda and maple syrup and the cooking timne that give different results?

Anonymous

Thanks Hymil, i was under the impression though that one would mix it with water, will have to check the link, this recipe looks pretty "concentrated"

hymil

My grandma had a similar recipe, it used to come out as honeycomb toffee. I don't know if it cures cancer but it certainly cures many other childhood complaints...  Guess cooking is not my strong point.

Anonymous

Well, i,m in luck cause i "drink" maple syrup, if only it wasn,t so darn expansive