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  • FloridaLady
    FloridaLady Member Posts: 2,155
    edited March 2009
    Most of us are familiar with acid indigestion, or "heartburn." However, few of us realize that many Americans have chronic, low-grade acidosis (acid body chemistry) because of what we eat. We are, as a nation, chronically acidic.

    And fewer of us realize what a devastating impact acid can have on our bodies.

    Bone Loss and Joint Pain

    According to the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, a seven-year study1 by the University of California on 9704 women showed that those with chronic acid overload are at greater risk for bone loss than those who have normal pH levels.

    Why? Because when your body is highly acidic, it will do whatever it takes to return itself to a healthier pH balance. Your body steals the calcium, sodium, potassium, and magnesium it needs from your bones in order to buffer the tissue acids and they are systematically eaten away.

    The result? Severe bone loss and joint pain.

    Bronchial Attacks for Those with Asthma

    Research published in the American Journal of Respiratory and Critical Care Medicine announced that high acid levels are strongly linked to asthma attacks.2 Dr. Benjamin Gaston discovered that shortly before an asthma attack, acid levels in the lungs shot up as much as 1000-fold. This increased acidity contributed to inflammation in the bronchial airways and triggered an attack. As a result of this study, researchers at Duke University are now investigating treatments using antacid therapy.

    Abnormal Cell Growth

    According to Nobel prize-winning scientist Dr. Otto Warburg, abnormal cells positively thrive in an acidic environment. "They have a fundamentally different energy metabolism compared to healthy cells," he says. In addition, scientific research reported in the journals Psychosomatic Medicine3 and the American Journal of Managed Care4 recently revealed that lactic acid and uric acid (both released into the body by stress) may promote the growth of abnormal cells.

    And these are only a few of the damaging effects of chronic acidosis...

    What Can You Do?

    Your body chemistry can be changed from acidic and damaging to alkaline and healthy. How?

    Limit acidic food intake, including:

    • Carbonated drinks: colas and other carbonated drinks create acidosis.
    • Refined oils and fats: especially when they exceed 20% of your total intake of calories (refined oils in general are acidifying).
    • Proteins: most animal proteins are acidic, so restrict animal protein intake to your recommended allowance of 10 to 20% of your total day's food intake - roughly 3 oz per day for an average person. (Pregnant women are an exception and need an extra ounce of protein per day.) Be aware that not all proteins are acidifying. Eggs, chicken breasts, cottage cheese, yogurt, and tofu are alkalizing, so use them frequently as protein sources.

    Please note that you should LIMIT, not eliminate acidic foods. We all need a balanced diet to remain healthy, and certainly proteins and fats must be part of that diet. Sources and experts vary in their recommendations, but I simply recommend that you eat 9 servings of vegetables and fruits per day, in addition to whole foods (foods in their most natural state, before refining or processing them). This type of diet will help you create and keep an alkaline body chemistry.

    References

    1. Sellemeyer et al. (2001.) American Journal of Clinical Nutrition. 73: 118-22.
    2. Gaston et al. (2000.) American Journal of Respiratory Critical Care Medicine. 161: 694-699
  • FloridaLady
    FloridaLady Member Posts: 2,155
    edited March 2009

     Caring4cancer website posted this info: 

      

      

    Acid Balance in the Body and Cancer   You may have heard that having an "acid environment" in the body can encourage cancer cells to grow. This idea comes from a misunderstanding about the connection between cancer and acid in the body. It's true that cancer cells can create acid. This can make the small area in and around cancer cells more acidic. But this does not make the entire body more acidic.In other words, extra acid in the body does not cause cancer. It is just the opposite: cancer cells create extra acid. But remember that even though the small area around cancer cells can be acidic, this does not make the body more acidic as a whole.Better Nutrition For Better Acid-Base BalanceEven though cancer cells can create acid, this does not change the acid balance in the body as a whole. Furthermore, the body controls acid balance very tightly. Tiny changes in acidity can occur, but the body cannot become significantly more acidic without serious side effects and illness. However, it certainly can't hurt to focus on keeping the acid balance in our body healthy. And fortunately, the exact same foods that fight cancer in other ways also happen to make the body less acidic.The same foods that make the body less acidic also protect cells from damage, encourage damaged cells to die (rather than to keep multiplying), provide vital nutrients that control normal cell growth, and enhance cell-to-cell communication. In a nutshell, these same foods protect the body against many steps in the cancer process.Power of PlantsOne of the best ways to decrease acidity in the body overall is to follow a plant-based diet. In general, plant foods (vegetables, fruit, and legumes) make the body less acidic. Meat and protein foods tend to make the body more acidic. This even can be measured in the urine. In fact, studies tell us that vegetarians (people who do not eat any type of meat, including beef, chicken, fish, pork, and lamb) have less acidic urine than people who eat meat.Again, this may not change the acid around cancer cells, but we do know it's good for the body in other ways.Putting It Into PracticeThe bottom line is that one of the best ways to decrease acidity in the body is to follow a plant-based diet. Plant foods, especially vegetables and fruit, tend to make the body less acidic. Proteins and meats make the body more acidic.
     
    Also, don't be fooled by the acidity of the food itself. Some very acidic foods, such as oranges (citric acid) and other citrus fruit make the body less acidic. Due to complicated body chemistry, acid food usually does not create acid in the body.Keep in mind that you do not need to be a complete vegetarian to obtain benefit from eating more plants. You simply need to eat more vegetables and fruit and eat a little less meat. As a general guideline, try to have two-thirds to three-quarters of your plate covered by vegetables, fruit, and legumes (beans). The other one-quarter to one-third of the plate can contain your meat, chicken, or fish. See our information on plant-based eating for more tips and ideas on how to squeeze more healthy plant food into your diet.

  • Husband11
    Husband11 Member Posts: 2,264
    edited March 2009

    Blood ph levels are chemically buffered.  That means that addition or removal of acids and bases has no effect on ph until the buffering substance is completely overwhelmed, something that would not normally happen.  It is possible that substances you consume may add to the volume of that buffer, but that's not what you are talking about I believe.

  • FloridaLady
    FloridaLady Member Posts: 2,155
    edited March 2009
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    Pronunciations

    alkalosis

    metabolic acidosis

    metabolic alkalosis

    An important property of blood is its degree of acidity or alkalinity. Body acidity increases when the level of acidic compounds in the body rises (through increased intake or production, or decreased elimination) or when the level of basic (alkaline) compounds in the body falls (through decreased intake or production, or increased elimination). Body alkalinity increases with the reverse of these processes. The body's balance between acidity and alkalinity is referred to as acid-base balance. The acidity or alkalinity of any solution, including blood, is indicated on the pH scale.

    The blood's acid-base balance is precisely controlled, because even a minor deviation from the normal range can severely affect many organs. The body uses different mechanisms to control the blood's acid-base balance.

    Role of the Lungs: One mechanism the body uses to control blood pH involves the release of carbon dioxide from the lungs. Carbon dioxide, which is mildly acidic, is a waste product of the metabolism of oxygen (which all cells need) and, as such, is constantly produced by cells. As with all waste products, carbon dioxide gets excreted into the blood. The blood carries carbon dioxide to the lungs, where it is exhaled. As carbon dioxide accumulates in the blood, the pH of the blood decreases (acidity increases). The brain regulates the amount of carbon dioxide that is exhaled by controlling the speed and depth of breathing. The amount of carbon dioxide exhaled, and consequently the pH of the blood, increases as breathing becomes faster and deeper. By adjusting the speed and depth of breathing, the brain and lungs are able to regulate the blood pH minute by minute.

    Role of the Kidneys: The kidneys are also able to affect blood pH by excreting excess acids or bases. The kidneys have some ability to alter the amount of acid or base that is excreted, but because the kidneys make these adjustments more slowly than the lungs do, this compensation generally takes several days.

    Buffer Systems: Yet another mechanism for controlling blood pH involves the use of buffer systems, which guard against sudden shifts in acidity and alkalinity. The pH buffer systems are combinations of the body's own naturally occurring weak acids and weak bases. These weak acids and bases exist in balance under normal pH conditions. The pH buffer systems work chemically to minimize changes in the pH of a solution by adjusting the proportion of acid and base. The most important pH buffer system in the blood involves carbonic acid (a weak acid formed from the carbon dioxide dissolved in blood) and bicarbonate ions (the corresponding weak base).

    Acidosis and Alkalosis: There are two abnormalities of acid-base balance.

    • Acidosis: The blood has too much acid (or too little base), resulting in a decrease in blood pH.
    • Alkalosis: The blood has too much base (or too little acid), resulting in an increase in blood pH.

    Acidosis and alkalosis are not diseases but rather are the result of a wide variety of disorders. The presence of acidosis or alkalosis provides an important clue to doctors that a serious problem exists.

    Acidosis and alkalosis are categorized as metabolic or respiratory, depending on their primary cause. Metabolic acidosis and metabolic alkalosis are caused by an imbalance in the production of acids or bases and their excretion by the kidneys. Respiratory acidosis and respiratory alkalosis are caused primarily by changes in carbon dioxide exhalation due to lung or breathing disorders.

  • FloridaLady
    FloridaLady Member Posts: 2,155
    edited March 2009
    Major Causes of Metabolic Acidosis and Metabolic Alkalosis
    • Metabolic acidosis
      • Diabetic ketoacidosis (buildup of ketones)
      • Drugs and substances such as acetazolamide, alcohol, aspirin, iron
      • Lactic acidosis (buildup of lactic acid as occurs in shock)
      • Loss of bases, such as bicarbonate, through the digestive tract from diarrhea, an ileostomy, or a colostomy
      • Kidney failure
      • Poisons such as carbon monoxide, cyanide, ethylene glycol, methanol,
      • Renal tubular acidosis (a form of kidney malfunction)
    • Metabolic alkalosis
      • Loss of acid from vomiting or drainage of the stomach
      • Overactive adrenal gland (Cushing's syndrome)
      • Use of diuretics (thiazides, furosemide, ethacrynic acid)

    Respiratory acidosis develops when the lungs do not expel carbon dioxide adequately, a problem that can occur in diseases that severely affect the lungs (such as emphysema, chronic bronchitis, severe pneumonia, pulmonary edema, and asthma). Respiratory acidosis can also develop when diseases of the brain or of the nerves or muscles of the chest impair breathing. In addition, people can develop respiratory acidosis when their breathing is slowed due to oversedation from opioids (narcotics) or strong drugs that induce sleep (sedatives).

     
     
     
    Major Causes of Respiratory Acidosis and Alkalosis
    • Respiratory acidosis
      • Lung disorders, such as emphysema, chronic bronchitis, severe asthma, pneumonia, or pulmonary edema
      • Sleep-disordered breathing
      • Diseases of the nerves or muscles of the chest that impair breathing, such as Guillain-Barré syndrome or amyotrophic lateral sclerosis
      • Overdose of drugs such as alcohol, opioids, and strong sedatives
    • Respiratory alkalosis
      • Anxiety
      • Aspirin overdose (early stages)
      • Fever
      • Low levels of oxygen in the blood
      • Pain
  • Byron
    Byron Member Posts: 25
    edited March 2009

    ccbaby,

    What did your homeopathic lady say on Wednesday?

    Byron

  • ccbaby
    ccbaby Member Posts: 985
    edited March 2009

    She was so impressed on how much better I am doing now , then a month ago (I had mastectomy with 13 nodes removed since then and taking all of her homeopathic medicines) that I forgot all about asking about that!  She doesn't want to see me again for 12 weeks. I'm sorry. I can email her about and let you know later.

  • Husband11
    Husband11 Member Posts: 2,264
    edited March 2009

    Dr. Otto Warburg was a brilliant man, as evidenced by his Nobel Laureate status.  However, not all of his theories on the cause of cancer were or have been accepted.  The debate of his idea of "the" cause of cancer circle around the observation of the type of energy synthesis observed in cancer cells.  Warburg would say it is the cause of the cancer, most scientists today would say its the other way around, simply a feature of cancer cells, but not the cause of them multiplying in an uncontrolled manner, that mutations resulted in the change observed (anaerobic fermentation vs respiration).  I've seen his name pop up a few times in some of the natural cancer cure books.  But what they fail to mention is that his theory on the cause of cancer (anaerobic conditions) was overwhelmingly rejected by science and continues to be.  Just saying, watch out for references to Nobel prize winners, like all people, they sometimes made mistakes or proclamations outside their areas of expertise (Linus Pauling, Albert Einstein for instance).

  • Byron
    Byron Member Posts: 25
    edited March 2009

    Here is a better link for Dr. Tullio Simoncini (the Italian oncologist) who claims that cancers are fungus: http://www.curenaturalicancro.com/

    Byron

  • Methusala
    Methusala Member Posts: 285
    edited March 2009

    Acidophilos

    I 'm not sure if I'm spelling it right, but it's really cheap, over the counter, and in most drug/ mart stores.

    I've read too that cancer is a yeast. As for altering your 'blood' ph... um...probably not possible, gi tract and salivaI think so.

    I had chronic  yeast infections since age 12-13.  I've been taking acidophilus for a year? year and ahalf? and had one, yes ONE, yeast infection.  A miracle for me.  Yogurt has ALLOT of sugar in it.  This stuff is much better.

    *edited to say, acidophilos was RECOMMENDED by a DR a Roswell Park.

  • motheroffoursons
    motheroffoursons Member Posts: 333
    edited March 2009

    I actually posted this on another thread, but believe it belongs here also.  \the maple sugar and soda discussion is totally false.  Neither the soda nor the sugar make it to the blood/tumor/cancer cells in their original form.  The body has mechanisms to keep the sugar and pH in a narrow range through a process called homeostasis.

    Please note:  the main sugar in maple syrup is sucrose.  Sucrose is a disaccharide, a fructose and glucose molecule linked together.

    Sucrose is digested in the stomach into fructose and glucose by glycoside hydrolase.  Undigested sucrose is broken down into its component sugars in the small intestine by sucrase.  From there, the glucose and fructose can be absorbed by the lining of the small intestine.  The body has regulatory substances to control the amount of sugar in the blood.  Excess sugar is stored as glycogen(starch) as a ready source of sugar. Insulin initiates the conversion of glucose to glycogen.  Glucagon is the counterpart to insulin and causes the glycogen to be converted to glucose.  Insulin and glucagon balance the glucose sugar in the bloodstream.

    Fructose is broken down into 2 3-carbon moleucles by enzymes in the liver.  Fructose has been linked to insulin intolerance, but it is still under review.

    However, what is imporant is that sucrose, the main component of maple syrup, is  just plain table sugar.  For the alledged benefit of maple syrup/baking soda, it would not make a bit of difference if maple sugar is used or table sugar in water.  It is the same chemical.  However, if you are talking about trace elements in the maple syrup, that is something different.

    The point of the matter is that maple syrup or table sugar contain the same chemicals that are broken down by the body in the same manner.

    Soda can be used as an antacid in the stomach.  The pH levels are controlled by other mechanisms.

    Sucrose never reaches the cancer cells.  The main sugar found in the blood is glucose, and smaller amounts of fructose and galactose.  Again, sucrose never gets to them little buggers to destroy them.

    The maple syrup cure is totally bogus.

    I am sorry if I offend anyone with this.  I am a microbiologist by training and want to correct any scientifc inaccuracies, not to downplay alternative treatments.  I would hate for people to put their faith in this cure, and ignore other methods of treating BC.

    Sharon

  • Byron
    Byron Member Posts: 25
    edited March 2009

    Sharon (motheroffoursons),

    Are you saying that Dr. Tullio Simoncini (the Italian oncologist), who claims that cancers are fungus, suggests treating cancers by having the patient swallow the baking soda and maple syrup?

    As I understand the treatment, he opts to inject the combination into the area around the cancer itself (which neutralizes the acid that supports the growth of the fungus or cancer).

    Maybe I am mistaken.

    Byron

  • motheroffoursons
    motheroffoursons Member Posts: 333
    edited March 2009

    Byron,

    If you look back at some earlier posts on this thread, they describe the maple syrup and soda cure for cancer.  Some people actually believe it.  I would hate to think they are betting their lives on maple syrup and soda mixed together.  That is why I wrote what I did.

    I do not know about this fungus thing.  I do know that for years doctors said ulcers were not caused by any bacteria, and an unkown doctor in Australia found heliobacter pylorus, the causative agent of common ulcers.  The fungus thing is an interesting concept, but it needs to be explored by unbiased, scientifically controlled investigations before any conclusions are made.  One of the hallmarks of a good scientific investigation is that the results can be repeated in other laboratories by other scientists following the same protocols.  Just one doctors results do not make for a definitive cure or conclusion.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2009

    Sharon, truth should never offend. Thanks for a dose of rationality.

    Btw, expect to be called a troll, negative, and trying to suppress people exploring their alternatives. It's de rigeur here.

  • Byron
    Byron Member Posts: 25
    edited March 2009

    Sharon and LJ13,

    Do you know of any independent studies on the research of this Italian doctor?  If your answer is no, then tell me (us), where are the studies you, for the "...good scientific investigation," so admirably claim are needed to discover the "truth [that] should never offend"?  Are the drug companies supressing them?

    I await your links for our benefit in finding these important studies.

    Byron

  • Byron
    Byron Member Posts: 25
    edited March 2009

    LJ13,

    When you get the time, maybe you can find some "...important studies."

    What you have provided are not studies, they are disclaimers.

    By the way, the American Cancer Society (sponsor of your first link) one would think, with all the money they have for research, might be interested in doing such a study.  They are not (I know that from personal experience).  I'm not interested in fighting with you (you have already lost), just interested in scientific studies that show that the Italian doctor is either on the right track or mistaken.  Don't give me a con job, just deal with the issue (something you have, so far, failed to do).

    Byron

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2009

    Hmmm. Interesting points. There may in fact not be any "important" studies on this topic.

    Most researchers spend precious dollars on finding and proving treatments that work, not disproving silly claims that have no basis in science.

    I lost? Sure, ok, whatever.

    Good luck with that baking soda thing.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2009

    Oh Byron, I missed where you cited the "important" studies -- large scale, multicenter, double blind, randomized studies -- that baking sode does cure cancer.

    The burden of proof is on he who makes the claim.

  • Byron
    Byron Member Posts: 25
    edited March 2009

    LJ13,

    I hope you find someone to argue with (that is obviously what you are looking for).

    Byron

  • fairy49
    fairy49 Member Posts: 1,245
    edited March 2009

    Amen Byron!! LJ13 why are you on the alternative thread? You totally disagree with everything, so why are you here, it just seems so pointless to me, is it your mission in life to just upset people with your opinions? everyone is entitled to their opinion, but this is the ALTERNATIVE thread, for people who like to discuss other options or complimentary options, like I have said before we are all in the same boat here, can you give us a little break please????

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited March 2009

     I don't think the sodium bicarbonate is to be taken orally. As I understand... it is to be inserted directly into the affected tissue. It is my understanding that cancer grows in a acid environment and that sodium bicarbonate (alkaline) is capable of making tumors disappear. I said this somewhere else, but to repeat that I received an e-mail from someone whose friend went to the Italian Oncologist who received the bicrbonate sodium treatment and without surgery her cancer disappeared. For me, nothing is more powerful than a testimony.  

     Do we need doctors? Absolutely. But, keep in mind, doctors aren't God...and they do make mistakes. Just today, one of my friends became extremely ill due to the doctor prescribing wrong med's. At this point in my life ... I'm going to research everything my doctor says, and medications I' take. As one doc once said to me,  "I will tell you the side affects because I know you're going to research it on the internet"...Hmmmm ... 

  • Byron
    Byron Member Posts: 25
    edited March 2009

    Okay, I think we're getting close.

    We have a judge deciding, without any studies to show that the Italian oncologist is mistaken in his research, that he must be mistaken (ane responsible for the death of a patient).

    Other doctors who treat patients with "accepted" treatment (with more deaths from cancer world wide than almost any other cause of death) getting off without any questions being asked.

    We have the NIH (National Institutes of Health of which the American Cancer Society is part) in America pointing out that a European court has ruled against this Italian doctor and they, with all their resources and money (NIH and ACS) not even doing a scientific study to prove the doctor correct or mistaken.

    And, of course, the question remains, is the NIH an organization that caters to the drug companies?

    Mr. Obama, your mother and grandmother died of cancer.  Can we get a scientific study?  How about two studies?  Three?

    Byron

  • orange1
    orange1 Member Posts: 930
    edited March 2009

    Byron,

    If the baking soda/maple syrup cure is supposed to work at the tumor site (injected and not to be taken orally), why is this perferable to having the tumor cut out by a surgeon?

    Thanks

  • Byron
    Byron Member Posts: 25
    edited March 2009

    orange1,

    I'm no expert at this but, as I understand it the solution (baking soda and maple syrup) is injected with a needle and syringe <http://images.google.com/images?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=s&hl=en&q=needle+and+syringe&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=uQuzSeTrH4vltgff3bG7Bw&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&resnum=1&ct=title&gt; into the areas where the acid is located, which means there is no need for cutting with a knife.  This makes the procedure much safer than with radical surgery.  It's a little like comparing getting a shot (which takes about 2 minutes) to having your tonsils or appendix removed (requiring, possibly, days in a hospital for recovery and observation).  Since the tumor (fungus) grows with an acid in the body organ to support it, by neutralizing (changing the pH to 7 or above instead of below 7) the supporting acid surrounding the problem growth, the tumor cannot survive and must, therefore, die (and gets eliminated through the body's own natural mechanisms).

    Byron

  • orange1
    orange1 Member Posts: 930
    edited March 2009

    Is the rate distant recurrance (metasasis) lower for this treatment than with surgery?

    Thanks,

    Jackie

  • Husband11
    Husband11 Member Posts: 2,264
    edited March 2009

    There's a lot of unanswered questions about this man's hypothesis that the fungus candida albicans causes cancer.  If you look up candida albicans, it sounds like a rather common infection of the human body.  How come its breast cancer according to the Doc, yet you can have it in your mouth, scalp or vagina and treat it with an antifungal?  No mention of these infections of it becoming cancer.  I guess its possible, but it doesn't seem to add up.  I think we all wish he was right and it was that simple.

  • Byron
    Byron Member Posts: 25
    edited March 2009

    Jackie,

    I don't know the answer to your question (another reason we need some sound scientific investigation).

    Here is a link to some breast cancer study information:

    http://drugsdiseasesandconditions.com/breast_cancer.html

    There is no mention of "rate distant recurrance (metasasis)" or "baking soda/maple syrup," but it (the study) does make a connection between stage IV tumors and "distant...recurrance."  The stage IV types (breast cancers or not) do, I believe, have a higher rate of subsequent death than the lower stages which (higher rates of death) may also apply to the Italian doctor's treatment.  That would be an interesting subject for a scientific investigation.

    Byron

  • motheroffoursons
    motheroffoursons Member Posts: 333
    edited March 2009

    The rate for distant recurrance (metasasis) is definitely lower for this treatment than with surgery because the death rate is higher due to the injections!  Please note that Dr. Simoncini never submitted any data to support his allegations and "alleged" cure.  Please people with BC, use your minds to figure out the good cures (diet, exercise, reduced milk products, reduced estrogen).  It is your lives you are playing with.

    With great sadness we learned that Marjolein Bouwman, a young Dutch woman and once-advocate of Tullio Simoncini's cancer therapy, died of metastasized ovarian cancer on November 2, 2008.

    When Marjolein Bouwman was first diagnosed with ovarian cancer, she was advised to take conventional therapy. Instead, she decided to contact Tullio Simoncini in Rome, where she was given a number of injections with sodium bicarbonate by him. The other part of the treatment consisted of infusions of sodium bicarbonate, which Marjolein adminstered herself in her own home in the Netherlands. Soon after, Simoncini declared that Marjolein was completely cured. Ecstatically happy, Marjolein became a staunch advocate of Simoncini's sodium bicarbonate therapy. However, undeniable proof of her miracle cure was never delivered, in spite of repeated promises.

    A few months ago, Marjolein stated that Simoncini had deceived her and that she had not been cured at all. At that time, her cancer had already metastasized so extensively that she had a less than 40% chance of recovery. She also said that Simoncini's useless therapy had caused her to lose valuable time, which might well have been fatal. 

    Marjolein was only 25 years old and the mother of a little boy

    Sylvia dies

    November 12, 2008 · 14 Comments

    On October 8, 2007 a Dutch breast cancer patient died in the Netherlands after she was treated with sodium bicarbonate injections by Tullio Simoncini. The cascade of events is subject to investigation by the department of public prosecution/the police and the Netherlands Health Care Inspectorate.
    In his home country, Tullio Simoncini was banned from his medical profession for life. Also, he was convicted for fraud and wrongful death in 2003. For several years he has been practising alternative medicine in Italy and the Netherlands. Sometimes he rents room in ‘the Clinic for Preventive Medicine Berg en Bosch in Bilthoven', Utrecht region, Netherlands. In this clinic, several alternative healers provide scientifically unproven therapies for cancer

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2009

    The National Institutes of Health is a division of the Dept. of Health and Human Services, a government agency.

    The American Cancer Society is a private charity. They do provide some funding for research, but are largely dedicated to advocacy and education.

    According to their link, people can be prosecuted in one European country for providing this non-cure (where they evidently ARE indeed forward-thinking for prosecuting deadly quacks).

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