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  • marshakb
    marshakb Member Posts: 1,664
    edited February 2009

    Amen

    Thinking of you Moody and hoping all will be well with Olivia.  Please let us know as soon as you are able, I find myself becoming a worry wart with my sisters here.  Hugs, Marsha

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  • EWB
    EWB Member Posts: 2,927
    edited February 2009

    Dear God, please hold our sister Olivia in your arms while all this is going on, give her strength to get thru what ever is happening. Be with her family, let them find strength in you to help Olivia. In your name I pray.

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  • ibcspouse
    ibcspouse Member Posts: 613
    edited February 2009

    Moody, you know we all pray for Olivia.  I know that today is not the day for you to celebrate, but I will still give you a woohoo on your one year anniversery of your dx, that's one year down with many more decades to come.

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  • moodyk13
    moodyk13 Member Posts: 1,180
    edited February 2009

    First let me say how much we covet ur prayers!

    So they did ultrasound on her whole abdomine. Kept coming back to do more pics of her liver & pancreas. Then they came in and said going to do nuclear scan called "HIDA" tomorrow specifically for liver, pancreas & gallbladder. They keep saying they will get all results together then come talk to us.

    I can handle cancer all day long, but don't mess w/ my little girl!

    *can someone C & P this post to my oncotype thread and december recon thread? I am having to use my blackberry & it takes about 10 minutes to do one post...ugh! Thx!

    P.S. I have decided to white out Feb 1st on all calendars. Either that or I'm gonna drug myself to sleep through it next year...LOL
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  • Estepp
    Estepp Member Posts: 6,416
    edited February 2009

    http://community.breastcancer.org/forum/38/topic/728346?page=2#idx_40

    Moody.... HANG in there... we are keeping a thread so everyone you chat with on BCO can post on that thread and can read what is going on... don't you worry one bit about the news getting around.... just call Linda or who's ever # you have and they will post it on the Olivia thread!

    Love to you all!

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  • marshakb
    marshakb Member Posts: 1,664
    edited February 2009

    Just got on the computer and came straight here to see if we have any word on Olivia.  Karen, hang in there sweetie, know were are all praying for your sweet daughter. 

    Laura, thanks for starting the Olivia thread so many others from BCO who love Karen can pray with us.  The power of prayer is awesome!  Hugs, Marsha

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  • moodyk13
    moodyk13 Member Posts: 1,180
    edited February 2009

    Well I found a "parents business center" here at the hospital so I have run in here to update you guys.  First THANK YOU so much for your love, concern and prayers!!!! 

    Not much to update  The scan has been put off til tomorrow because they are so backed up down here.  Most important though is they are keeping Olivia hydrated and keeping her fairly comfortable with the anti-nausea meds.  As soon as the meds wear off though we know it as she gets soooooo sick.

    She is only going to the bathroom once a day and not very much output.  Doc has upped her fluids, but she still has only been once today. About 200cc's if we are lucky.

    The ultrasound they did yesterday was pretty "inconclusive".  It showed a group of "predominant" blood vessels in the lower left lobe of her liver.  However, this isn't enough info to make a diagnosis, and could just be normal for her liver.  The HIDA scan should be able to tell them more as it can see into her liver, pancreas, bile ducts and gall bladder.

    The child had dropped down to 81lbs when we got here saturday afternoon and is down below 80lbs today.  She has not been able to drink one drop or eat one single crumb of anything since last friday.  They are giving her "sugar" water with her IV.........The pediatrician and GI doc came in this morning and said she was a sick little girl.  But they seem confident they will ba able to figure it out and treat her very soon.

    I just want to quickly give you a synopsis of what happened when we got here saturday.  Friday night she was at her worst (she had been sick and out of school all week).  Called pedi and he said to take her to Scottish Rite Childrens hospital in atlanta.  We couldnt move her till saturday.  So we got down here saturday afternoon and the "einsteins" in the ER came in and said she just needed a counselor and take her to the doctor next week!!!!!!!  They drew blood and said she was NOT dehydrated...???  How can that be she has had nothing to drink all day and no more that 16 oz everyday this week.  I guess they thought I was over exaggerating......ANYWAY, they sent us home at 11:30PM and didnt even give us a wheel chair to roll her out!  She was so weak we had to keep sitting down while trying to get her to the car.  We got about 5 min down the road and She was so freaking sick we had to pull over.  I told hubby to turn around we are going back.  Walked back in and they said they couldnt see her again before 24 hours.........Well.......I told them " that is just fine, I have my blanket and my pillow, we will just lay here in the floor until the 24 hours has passed"........they took us straight back.  A NEW doctor walked in the room, took one look at her and had a fit!  She got heads rolling and said had I not turned around and brought her back, she could have died from dehydration.  Her tongue was so thick, white and dry.  I told her what the first doc said.  She said, blood work doesnt tell us everything.  She said " I look at the tongue because it is the best indicator".  Thank GOD for the NEW doctor!!!!!!!

     Anyway, I have felt your prayers and so has Olivia.  Please continue to lift her up and pray the Lord will reveal to the doctors whatever it is so they can begin to treat her.  She is such a believer of prayer.  Friday night we were in the bathroom floor for over 3 hours and couldnt move her.  All she would say is "pray".  Then a little bit later she would manage to say "keep praying".  This baby is so sick, but still knows the power of prayer.  Praise God!!!!!

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  • EWB
    EWB Member Posts: 2,927
    edited February 2009

    Always Karen..prayers for Olivia, doctors and nurses involved with her care, you and dh! I know its hard to focus on yourself, but be sure to take care of your self so you will be able to care for Olivia!

    Elaine

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  • marshakb
    marshakb Member Posts: 1,664
    edited February 2009

    Continuing to pray for Olivia, Karen and family.  Elaine is right, take care of yourself Karen, Olivia needs you to be strong in body as well as in faith!

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  • moodyk13
    moodyk13 Member Posts: 1,180
    edited February 2009

    Recap of today's adventure at Scottish Rite Hospital:

    OMGosh, today was one of the worst days ever.  They came for Olivia about 12:00ish for

    MRI.  The motion of the wheel chair made her sick, so we had to walk, sit, walk, sit.....took about 15 - 20 min to get there.   They took us into a room and made her switch into hospital gown-------Olivia is VERY sensitive about her body being "accessible" and they have allowed her up to this point to keep her own clothing on......so this upset her. Hysteria #1 

    THEN they made us watch a video about all the "possible adverse reactions"..... UUUGGGGHHHHH  Olivia was CONVINCED she would DEFINATELY have these all and die.  She was soooo wroked up and terrified it amplified her nausea....... speaking of which, they couldnt give her anti-nausea meds before her tests because of the stuff they have to inject into her veins........Hysteria #2

    We finallty make it to the MRI room, this is NOT an open MRI.........Olivia is claustaphobic.............hysteria round # 3. 

    They told her they would have to put her to sleep if she didnt do it today. Olivia is terrified of being put to sleep because she is convinced she will "go towards the light."............. hysteria round # 4 

    We leave MRI room w/o having it done.  Fortunately they were able to take us on to the HIDA scan.  Nice big OPEN machine....very flat table to lay on......Olivia cant lay flat as it makes her even more nauseaous........hysteria round #5. 

    We get her on the table, but the table has to MOVE under a HUGE machine......hysteria round #6.

    Finally got the table under the huge machine, then this huge machine begins lower itself right on top of her..................hysteria round #7 which continued on for 1 1/2 hours straight. 

    This child has the endurance of the energizer bunny.  I kept thinking she would HAVE to exhaust sooner or later......WRONG.  Then the radiologist decided he needed picks with radioactive material pumped into her veins.  The lab teech guy tells her that the radioactive stuff may make her feel wierd...............hysteria #8, 9, 10 & 11. 

    Then she decided it was all my fault and I was letting them torture her on purpose and I don't love her or I would make them stop.....And this is when I let out my "sigh of relief".  See whenever she gets to the point of "it's all mom's fault"  I know she is wearing dow!  I said "praise Jesus, it's all my fault!"    It was actually music to my ears.

    Finally, Finally, Finally about 5:00 we got back to her room.  Mark & I then realized that all we had had today was a cup of coffee about 8am, so we meandered the 5 floors down to the cafeteria...yippee

    So now we wait.  They are coming for her I think around 6:30am to try for the MRI............I am going to go ahead and assign this hysteria #'s 12 - 30 if they can hurry with getting her to sleep, if not.................I shudder to think.

    The End.

    P. S.  On a good note though, SHE PEE PEE'd !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  And right now this second, she is SIPPING SPRITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  This is the first thing that has crossed her lips since friday nite.  WOOOO HOOOOO..............but it has a laxative in it...............boo hoo

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  • marshakb
    marshakb Member Posts: 1,664
    edited February 2009

    Karen, my God, my heart is aching for you and your sweet Olivia.  Continuing to pray for her swift healing.  Peeing is a great thing!!!!

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  • LuAnnH
    LuAnnH Member Posts: 8,847
    edited February 2009

    I am with you Marsha, I just wish I could do more!

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  • marshakb
    marshakb Member Posts: 1,664
    edited February 2009

    Dear Lord,

    It's me again, asking that you watch over sweet Olivia and give her doctors the knowledge and abilities they need to heal her.  I ask that you give Karen the strength she needs to fight for her daughter.  I ask that you reside within them both and shower them with your love, grace and comfort.   Hear our prayers dear Lord and answer them with a swift healing for Olivia.  In Jesus name I pray, AMEN

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  • moodyk13
    moodyk13 Member Posts: 1,180
    edited February 2009

    Alright ladies, I am ready to pick this thread right back up.  Satan is NOT happy about it, but I can, with the Holy Spirit, stare him right in the face and continue this study.  I did alot on Abraham last week while here in the hospital so this is where I would like to continue.

    LuAnnH, I am still looking for your questions.....LOL  so post away.

    Next post is "Abraham and Isaac" Study #2 (I think)

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  • moodyk13
    moodyk13 Member Posts: 1,180
    edited February 2009

    Abram = "Exalted Father", Abraham = "Father of Many"

    Genesis 12 there are seven elements in God's promise to Abram in vs. 2 - 3.  Seven is the biblical number for "completeness.

    1- God will create a great nation thru Abraham.

    2- God promised to bless Abraham.

    3- God promised to make his name great.  Abraham's name would live on forever.  His name is one of the most honored names in history by every religion, race, and nation.

    4- God promised Abram that he would be a blessing.  This was a Divine command, not optional.

    5- God promised to bless anyone who blessed Abram.

    6- God promised to curse anyone who cursed Abram.

    7- God promised to bless all the families of the earth through Abram.

    So These are some pretty huge promises that are the foundation of all salvation.  But what struck me as I was reading these chapters on Abraham for the "umteenth" time was after these promises to make Abraham a great nation and the father of all, he was submissive to Sarah!

    A- Sarah tells Abraham to have sex with Hagar and get her pregnant.  Abraham obliges---hmm (Gen 16:2)

    B- Sarah in a most tactful way basically lets Abraham know that Hagar has made her mad about the pregnancy and she is fixing to open a "can of whoop....."  Abraham agrees to stay out of the way. (Gen 16:6)

    C- Sarah tells Abraham he better get rid of Hagar and Ishmael and even God tells Abraham he'd better do what Sarah says or there will be problems.  Abraham sends them away. (Gen 21:12)

    I see so many things all of this represents I cant even type that fast.  I would rather hear what everyone else thinks anyway.

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  • moodyk13
    moodyk13 Member Posts: 1,180
    edited February 2009

    bump

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  • LuAnnH
    LuAnnH Member Posts: 8,847
    edited February 2009

    Ok Karen, here we go.  I knew something was bugging me so I went back.  I will just shoot off questions as I read this evening.  In Genesis, in the struggle in the bushes with Jacob.  The man struggling with Jacob knew he could not win so he struck his hip socket.  Now Jacob and been worshiping all along, why would God not win out in this struggle?  Why strike the hip socket?  Is there a certain significance to this area of the body?

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  • Estepp
    Estepp Member Posts: 6,416
    edited February 2009

    I do not know this answer... but.. LuAnn.. how are you feeling? Is the pump working?

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  • LuAnnH
    LuAnnH Member Posts: 8,847
    edited February 2009

    I'm doing ok, quite a bit worn out but starting to get myself going again.  Emotionally I am a wreck but that will get back together also  LOL

    Ok, back on track as I read about the attack on Dinah.  Jacobs sons mutilated the town while they were down.  Jacob reprimanded his sons for this action saying he did not have the troops to withstand and attack.  So I expect this to continue and next thing you know they skip to a to Bethel and rebuilding it.  Did I not read far enough?

    As I started reading this they wanted everyone to give up their false gods, what am I missing here?  Is this jumping alot?  Why would Jacobs family have false gods if he taught them to worship God?

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  • moodyk13
    moodyk13 Member Posts: 1,180
    edited February 2009

    The message in the story of Jacob wrestling with the angel in the bushes is really very powerful.  I am going to post what my "Matthew Henry's Commentary" says about this story because I left my own notes in the car with my bible tonight.  LOL

    1.  Jacob kept his ground even though the struggle lasted for such a long time.  This did not discourage him, shake his faith, or silence his prayers.  (Kind of sounds just like us here with our struggles with bc)

    2.  He did not prevail through his own strength and he knew this.  It was the strength he derived from Heaven.  We don't prevail WITH God, but IN God.  It is the Holy Spirit that intercedes IN us and helps in our struggles.

    With regards to dislocating of the hip and why the hip or significance of the hip, here is what the Commentary says:

    "Some think Jacob had little or no pain from this type of injury.  He was able to continue the struggle with the same intensity.  If he did experience pain, then it would be evidence of a Divine touch, which wounded and healed at the same time."

    Regarding the angel asking to be "let go"  here is the Commentary:

    "The credit of the conquest will do Jacob no good and he knew this.  In begging for the blessing, he recognizes his inferiority even though he was winning the struggle"

    The "mark of honor" comes when the angel (which is actually God) changes Jacob's name to "Israel" because "you have struggled with God and with men and have prevailed" (vs 28)

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  • moodyk13
    moodyk13 Member Posts: 1,180
    edited February 2009
    rest of your questions tomorrow cuz I gotta go shower and go to bed.  Laughing
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  • charis
    charis Member Posts: 37
    edited February 2009

    LuAnn,

    With this struggle, God change Jacob's name to Israel .. meaning "Contender (perseverer) With God; or God contends.  In the struggle the angel did touch the socket causing Jacob to limp for the rest of his life – perhaps, to teach him humility; a constant reminder not to be overaly exalted because of his God-given prosperity or for having grappled with an angel!  

    Imagine --- yeah, I fought an angel .. yeah look what happened to you dude!

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  • moodyk13
    moodyk13 Member Posts: 1,180
    edited February 2009

    Okay Ms. LuAnn, see this is why I love your participation in this thread because you ask questions that make me go back a SLOWLY read and I always learn something!!!!!

    Your question about the "Dinah Incident" jumping to Bethel.  Here is my explanation:

    Jacob had made an honest agreement with Hamor and Shechem with their males getting circumcised in exchange for Jacob's families' daughters for marriage.  Jacob fully intended this to be the deal, however his son's were just plain pissed off about what Shechem had done to Dinah, that they siezed this opportunity to "get even".  While the men were still in pain from the circumcision (Gen 34:25) they would be too weak to fight the brothers, and this was the only way the brothers could prevail since they were out numbered.

    After the brothers had killed all the males they "plundered" the city meaning they took all their valuables.  Even though Jacob reprimanded them, they didn't repent because they were tickled to death to have all the "stuff".  So the act of revenge for their sister's difilement has changed to about the "stuff" they acquired.

    So God commands Jacob to go BACK to Bethel and make an altar to Him.  It was God's test to see if the son's of Jacob would in fact leave behind their new wealth, follow His command, and go worship Him.  They did obey because Jacob and his family did fear the wrath of God, plus they knew thier blessings came from God and certainly didn't want to risk losing their blessings.

    Does this make sense? 

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  • LuAnnH
    LuAnnH Member Posts: 8,847
    edited February 2009

    yes it does....well I am off to the doc again.....this time the rads onc to see if I can get rads on the sternum.  Wish me luck!

    Thank you all for your answers, it does help as I read along.  Told you I would get back into this and I meant it!

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  • moodyk13
    moodyk13 Member Posts: 1,180
    edited February 2009

    Praying for your appt!  And I lifted you up in prayer for a while last night!

    Love the questions, keep them coming!

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  • LuAnnH
    LuAnnH Member Posts: 8,847
    edited February 2009

    Got great news on the appt, best part was I have a working brain!!!!  LOL

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  • moodyk13
    moodyk13 Member Posts: 1,180
    edited February 2009

    YEAH LuAnnH.  I told you I prayed BIG time and for a LONG time for you last night!!!   God is SOOOO good!!!!!

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  • LuAnnH
    LuAnnH Member Posts: 8,847
    edited February 2009

    I will try to get back to my reading so  I can get more questions.  I can't wait til I get more of this

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  • moodyk13
    moodyk13 Member Posts: 1,180
    edited February 2009

    me too!!!  Love Ya

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  • LuAnnH
    LuAnnH Member Posts: 8,847
    edited February 2009

    my son got me the most beautiful rosary as a gift in texas.  It is made of a very pretty puple stones with a silver cross.  The cross also has purple stones on it.  This was so sweet and another push to keep me on tract of studying the bible!

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