STEAM ROOM FOR ANGER

marijen

Runor, I almost choked to death with laughter. Just another way to go. Hahaha

Lita57

Dark humor, that's how I cope.

I have connections too, but I don't want to pay $$ to have myself bumped off by a "good fella."

We're having a lot of drive by freeway shootings in Santa Clara County over here in CA.

So I'm thinking, "Why don't I just drive down to SC Co with a sign plastered to the passenger side window saying, "PLEASE SHOOT ME IN THE HEAD!!!"

We don't live too far from the Police Dept. I could waltz in there talk menacingly and pretend to pull a gun, and they'd probably shoot me, because they've done that before out here.

If all else fails, there's always VSED (voluntary stopping eating and drinking) and if it's a warm summer, you can sit outside (NOT DRINKING ANYTHING-Least of all water) and you'll probably go in 2-3 days because of dehydration-related organ failure.

Aaahhh...so many choices ).

L

jo6359

there aren't any easy decisions. One thing is for damn sure each of us should have the right to live our lives and enjoy our life with a certain amount of dignity. And we should also be able to die with a pretense of dignity.. We do not have assisted suicide in Florida but if my cancer ever progressed to the point where I could no longer function and was in excruciating pain which could not be controlled I would find a way to end my life. I would have no guilt associated with that decision.

runor

So, Lita, if I understand you correctly, you are planning to usher yourself off this mortal coil by becoming a ...raisin? No water? Out in the sun? Oh girlfriend, you will forgive this Italian dark humour but I can't get this out of my head. (it even features a CONTRACT!)

Meow13

runor, you are spot on. None of us take the easy way out. Sick of others telling us you have to fight this and do everything we are told to do. Screw that.

jo6359

runor- Sick sense of humor. I love it.

candy-678

ARC-- Just now reading your post and the others that followed. I am responding because you addressed me, but really I don't know what to say. I am not living in your shoes. I don't know how you feel or what treatments you have endured so far. I feel I am at the beginning of my journey, fight, whatever this is called. I am not any where near making the choice of stopping treatment. But NO stopping treatment is not giving up !!!! It is your choice. Yes a choice, just like "I am going to use this med or this treatment" it is a choice of what to do,or not do,next. No one has the right to judge another.

Lita57

Yep, that's the plan, runor, if I can't find someone outside of my family to simply shoot me in the head. Family members would be arrested and imprisoned for homicide, so it would have to be an anonymous drive-by.

There's also the thought of putting antifreeze in one's soda...but from watching 20/20 and 48 Hours crime shows, I hear that's a painfully MISERABLE way to go, and I'm trying to minimize the pain.

L

ShetlandPony

Since this is the anger thread may I just say that It would be understandable if someone sent Luigi and Pietro to visit any shamefully neglectful doctor!

Artista964

my friend has dementia. We reviewed every way possible to be killed off and not 1 guarantees no survival or painless. They all have a chance even if small. Then you'd be left in worse shape. It's amazing how hard it is to quickly and painlessly to kill the human body. The only think i could think of is anesthesia propofol. That's what mj doc gave too much of that put him in permanent sleep. But good luck getting that.

candy-678

Amen. ShetlandPony. What the crap. Shouldn't she be in the hospital or at least have palliative care, etc. to care for her. She is alone to take care of all this. Where the sh** is her doctor? Oh sorry, it is the weekend. Wouldn't want to interrupt his plans to care for a terminal patient. Sh**a** needs to be whooped.

marijen

Where I go there is an Oncologist on call for weekends and holidays

marijen

Rosabella, I’m sure if you call Pietro and tell him you’re a friend of runor’s, he’ll get you all the propofol you need

candy-678

Where I live we DON'T have an Oncologist on call on the weekends. But there is always ER and I can always pitch a fit if I need to. (Haven't had to yet, just saying).

marijen

I would too if I had to, but haven’t had to yet either. You can also exagerate a little..

candy-678

Just tell the staff in ER you want to talk to the Administrator in charge.

Tmh0921

My dad went to the ER and the doctors were saying they weren’t going to admit him. I called the hospital administrator and threatened to go to the board of directors. They changed their mind pretty quickly and he was admitted. Sometimes you just have to throw the mother of all fits to get them to listen

jo6359

In all fairness to ER staff, they are bound by a lot of rules and regulations. If you truly believe you or your loved one needs to be admitted into the hospital, then throwing a hissy fit or speaking to a supervisor is your best option.

marijen

I don’t understand, why would they say no to admitting if the person was that sick? What’s in it for them to turn someone away? Especially if they have good health insurance. Wouldn’t they be liable for it

jo6359

We might see a loved one as being very ill but that doesn't necessarily mean they meet the criteria for a hospitalization. There are individuals who go to emergency rooms not covered by their insurance because they prefer that hospital over the ones in which their insurance covers. Even though the individual might not be a true emergency the family will add untruthful information to force a hospital admission. Once you're admitted into a hospital from an ER your insurance will have to pay in most cases. In other cases, the emergency room physician does not deem that admission is medically necessary. Yes ER Physicians make mistakes all the time. That's where family comes in. If you truly believe your loved one needs to be admitted into the hospital ask for the nurse manager and throw a hissy fit. Health Care is extremely complicated. Let's don't even get into the issue of many individuals going to the ER pretending to have severe pain just because they want painkillers due to addiction or dependency issues . We don't have enough beds available or insurance coverage for these individuals who truly need inpatient hospitalization for addiction / dependency issues. So, patients who go through the ER with severe pain (even cancer patients) nurses and doctors look at them as they're all addicts trying to circumvent the system to get those painkillers. I've worked in healthcare for almost 40 years and I continue to become very frustrated with the system.

candy-678

What I am saying is even terminal cancer patients deserve care. If someone like Gracie's situation(in Liver Mets Thread) comes to ER with pain, trouble breathing, etc and is terminal with cancer shouldn't they admit them and get them comfortable-oxygen and pain meds. Hospice patients are allowed those things. If someone, like Gracie, is alone and doesn't have hospice set up yet I think they need and deserve at least an overnight stay with nurses, oxygen, etc. THEN set up hospice to start in the home the next day. It is inhumane to send the patient back home with nothing set up to help them die in comfort.

marijen

When someone goes to the ER with a failing liver it’s not like she’s looking for pain meds. Or out of network. What if she’s got sepsis and they’ve sent her home, or high ammonia. I hope they checked for that. Next thing to fail could be the kidneys. It doesn’t make sense. It is inhumane. Not that you haven’t seen it all jo

marijen

When someone goes to the ER with a failing liver it's not like she's looking for pain meds. Or out of network. What if she's got sepsis and they've sent her home, or high ammonia. I hope they checked for that. Next thing to fail could be the kidneys. It doesn't make sense. It is inhumane. Not that you haven't seen it all jo.

jo6359

marjen- I repeat. If you think your loved one needs to be hospitalized fight like hell for that right. I was not referring to your friend with liver sepsis. It is inhumane to send anyone home who is experiencing liver sepsis without providing treatment.. One would think if you're in liver failure they would admit you. Emergency room screw up all the time. Family and friends need to fight for their love one's right. I was venting about other situations in the emergency room that frequently occurs. Two of my very close friends who are ER nurses have been venting to me quite frequently lately. I am fully aware of how incompetent emergency room services can be. If any person goes into the emergency room with severe pain or organ failure due to cancer or other debilitating diseases/injuries these issues need to be addressed. I sure have not seen it all. I should have put my other venting in a separate post where it would not have been confused. Everyday we all hear and see Injustices in the emergency room, urgent care and in the hospital setting. And everyday it worsens. I worry about the individuals who do not have family and friends to fight for them.

Candy- They should but they always don't do their jobs. There isn't any excuse for it. It is wrong. It isn't fair to send any person home who is experiencing excruciating pain. I worded it very poorly in my earlier post. The issue wasn't about pain . I made an assumption based on conversations with ER nurses over the past few days. My apologies. They don't always do a thorough assessment. They should! Instead of looking at the few who are searching for pain meds due to addiction issues they need to look at the many who have diagnosis which are terminal, debilitating or a serious injury which requires pain management or hospitalization to deal with other issues.A few years ago, my 16 year old nephew went into the ER on three separate occasions with severe abdominal pain and each and every time he was sent home. He ended up with a ruptured appendix and had emergency surgery and spent 3 weeks in ICU. I am fully aware of incompetence in the emergency room.

marijen

Hey Jo, like I said it’s about a failing liver not the pain it might cause. Tell me something, is there anyway to reverse a failing live from BC mets?

jo6359

Marjen- I am not disagreeing with you. I apologize for rambling about other issues that my very close friends have been talking to me about. There is no excuse for what they did. Inexcusable.

marijen

It’s good to know not to go to ER if you can avoid it and not to go there looking for help with pain. No need to apologize. But I still wonder is there a way to reverse liver failure. I saw a thread here and one BCO member said her’s was reversed with Gemzar/Carbo (something).

jo6359

Marjen-In general the liver is a very forgiving organ. A lot depends on the degree of the damage to the liver. Liver failure is something I don't know anything about. A liver specialist or an individual who has a lot of experience in that area would be better fit to answer that question. When it comes to issues about breast cancer, treatments, reoccurrence sis and side effects I still find I'm constantly learning something new daily. I'm finding I have more side effects post chemo and h&p than I ever did during the process.

marijen

Well I guess it could be reversed if the cause of the damage is cancer and the cancer is wiped out. And I guess it takes the doctor to admit a patient to the hospital, not the moron meatheads.

jo6359

Marjen- I don't know anymore. I had a very dear friend who died in February. A week before she died she was in excruciating pain, fainting and chills and the doctor attempted to admit her into the hospital. The hospital refused because they said insurance would not cover her because she did not meet criteria. She had inflammatory breast cancer, stage 4 and was no longer on any treatment due to inability to inability to tolerate. She died 5 days later. She had excellent insurance.

Beesie is extremely knowledgeable about a lot of issues relating to cancer. She would be a good person to PM for info.