Spirited and Lively Older Women Thread

Anonymous

Lassie, Actually all I did was google his name and it listed every article that name was in and this woman's link was on there....SHE was the one who did the research.  I do recall one time when I was looking for family history, I went to the Ellis Island link and put the name and aproximate year they came here in and got some info on the other side of the family.  It is really pretty interesting stuff, I just never took the time to do much research.  TIME!!....who ever has enough of that. 

lassie11

Doing geneology on the computer is one of my guilty secrets. Since my computer is upstairs and the kitchen is downstairs, it keeps me from eating.  Since I retired from working, there is slightly (not much) more time.

SoCalLisa

I got back to the year 36  and 38 AD with two sides of my family...I did the research on line

when I was bogged down with treatments then started with the actual documentation afterwards..just got back to the Mayflower with the actual documents so far. but that meant traveling.

barbe1958

Lisa, I don't think they had written reports on lineage in 36 AD unless you know something we don't!!

SoCalLisa

Well, history books do it once you get to someone mentioned in them

Alyson

Morning all

Wet hot muggy day here, do want the sun to come back.

Do quite a bit of genealogy myself. Recently found new naval site which gave great information about DH's gggrandfather. Another good source is newspaper archives which are coming online all the time but one must remember that not everything one finds out is good especially in the papers. Everyone has skeletons in the closet somewhere. We found a couple of things that confirmed family stories.

Marybe I used to take methotrexate prior to dx with BC. Onc does not want me to take that and I have reacted badly to other drugs. One problem is femara as you cannot take the newer DMARDS with AIs. So basically I take anti inflammatories and painkillers. Swelling is down this morning now just have to control the pain.

Must get dressed and see what is happening today.

Big hugs.

barbe1958

Lisa, you're kidding me, right???? 36 AD they were scratching on ROCKS.

BarbaraA

Aly, hugs, pal.

I never did any geneology as I never really thought about it. Maybe something to keep me busy when (IF) I retire. Not looking too likely retiring these days. They keep jacking up the retirement age so it's likely I will be working until I croak.

SoCalLisa

Barbe, they did have one word names..

Gingerbrew

Lisa, 

36AD. Peter, Paul, John, Mark, Luke, Yeshua, the other John, James, Matthew, Thomas, Tiberius, Augustus, Joseph, Marcus Aurelius, Claudius, Julius  and there are more.

Give us a hint please.  Of course it could be a woman?

My husbands family is documented back to the 16th century primarily because of church records.  I do think it is interesting to learn about our ancestors. I have one cousin that spent time in a prison in western KY and his mom, my Great Aunt went around town buying up all the newspapers because she didn't want word getting out about him. This was during prohibition so no telling how many folks spent some time in prison for related deeds. 

marlegal

One of my SIL's is very into genealogy and has spent thousands of dollars travelling and joining groups that have resources way inside the internet and other places. She put together a really cool family tree for the Delaneys (my maiden name), which prompted one of our dd's to dig around a little on the McSorley side, and she found her paternal grandmother's father's papers for entry on Ellis Island. Gave us all chills to see it   Yes, the Internet is a wonderful thing. I mean ... ahem ahem ... it brought all of US together, right?

SoCalLisa

I thought I put this link in as an example...

   http://www.backerdirks.com/bdtree_12.htm

lassie11

Lisa - I haven't seen that tree before. It is seriously cool!! 

A cousin of mine (second cousin once removed to be accurate) has done a lot of research and currently is working on one branch of our tree.  If he finds one specific link, we will go back to some royalty in the 1400s in England. Another cousin (third cousin) in England wondered if we would have to curtsey to each other if the link is established.  

SoCalLisa

we all probably have royal and unsavory relatives...

SoCalLisa

Marlegal, it did bring us all together for sure, and thankfully so..

for DAR and Mayflower stuff I needed the physical proof you get from

town records etc. where I had to travel to the east coast..I also found some

stuff in England...It was fun to see my relative's crypt who had been in the

crusades...it showed him with his sword and coat of arms...fun stuff

SoCalLisa

barbe1958

One word names, yep, we knew that. Then came John's son, or Johnson.

lassie11

I liked the name Pippin the Short, grandson of Pippin the Elder, on the chart the best.

Dilly

The new DNA research in genealogy is pretty amazing. I'll be glad when they get the female part more focused -- BUT, all of us are susceptible to the fact that pre-blood tests &/or DNA, in the eras of male lineage and Name being so "important," our ancient grandmothers may have either had an affair or been raped, but passed the resulting offspring off as the child of her husband -- she could not take the risk of being cast out... I do a lot of genealogy stuff, have written a number of articles & 4 books about some of the more famous family members. 

A whole group of us "cousins" (3rd, 4th, 5th, -removed, etc) were totally shocked to find out this past year that the DNA isn't matching up about 10 generations back, and ancestors everyone was sure of, aren't.  I go with the theory that raised by equals son or daughter of, and it doesn't bother me too much, but some of my "cousins" are devastated by the new discovery...

lassie11

Lost Creek - your research sounds really interesting. How did you organize the DNA testing? How many countries were involved in your searching?

My research has shown a number of ancestors born without benefit of marriage - stories that might never have been told if it weren't for Scottish birth certificates in the 1800s boldly labelling a birth "illegitimate". In some cases, the father was identified, in others not. In one, the birth certificate said "on the information of" a man who "lived in the same house". The mother, my ancestor, was a domestic servant in said house. It doesn't take too much imagination to connect those dots.

duckyb1

Lord I wish it was wet, hot, and muggy in Pa.......................today is suppose to be good, and tomorrow, then we go into what they are calling an "artic blast"...................brrrrrrrrr, not looking forward to that......................I miss the summer, my shore house, and my pool.........................

Dilly

Lassie - there are several companies that do the DNA testing, and several tests (number of markers matching is the key). I've stayed mostly away from it and let my cousins (two different lines) do all the learning and head scratching, and most importantly the outreach to get folks to join.  This is based on male DNA, and it has to go male-male-male, which can be hard to find.  I tend to stick with facts that have been overlooked by history, but that change it -- I'm nearsighted and just figure I'm supposed to look at things closely in my life --

In Colonial America, if the father could be identified, he was held responsible, but it was the woman who was really ostracized/penalized.  If the father wasn't identified, her family had to post a "bastardy bond" to assure the court the child would be taken care of and not a burden on society. 

In cases like your ancestor the domestic servant -- if she was a "bound" servant (one who had sold her services for a certain period of time, often 7 years, and sometimes they were sold by the court as their punishment;  bound-servants could also be sold like chattel, for their remaining servitude)  Anyway, if the woman servant had a child during her period of servitude, another period of I think a year was added to her obligation.  Many "masters" would impregnate their female servants, and she would be the one who got in trouble with the courts, and she would then have another year added to her period of servitude.  It was very akin to slavery.  If a bound servant ran away, more time was added to his or her "obligation."

I have microfilms of 1700s court records - and it is fascinating!!!  Some things in life just never change - passion is one of them.  Greed another.

ps: if you get a chance to read the book "Albion's Seed" by David Hackett Fischer, it is one of the best and most I've run across that explains how so many of our families migrated here from the different parts of England, Scotland, Ireland - and how their "folk ways" (including sex ways) got translated into their new life here.

marlegal

Lisa, that picture is seriously cool    Love these discussions!

barbe1958

How are they going to get the DNA from the guys in 68 AD???

Very cool pic, Lisa!!!! Still want to know HOW you can go that far back!!!

Dilly

Barbe, the way I understand it is the DNA will tell common ancestors, within generational limits - that's how we learned that a male ancestor 10 generations back was not the son of his father - by comparing known sons of sons of sons.They can go back really far - PBS - maybe with National Geographic did a fascinating series about this in villages where they know their ancestry for hundreds of years.

It's pretty interesting stuff, but I've decided not to get too involved because I tend to go overboard, and I have other things on my want-to-learn list...

When we were in Ireland I was fascinated by the cared-for family plots with stones from the 800s to current, all known family.  It's pretty easy to extrapolate that back another few hundred years. 

There is an interesting concept called derfbine that was part of early Scotland, Ireland, Wales, and parts of England. It takes the concept of clan and expands it considerably.  One was expected to know and be able to recite kin & relationships for four generations, including inlaws.  Can you just imagine the memories these folks carried? 

Gingerbrew

Marybe is getting her tumor markers soon. We were sort of joking around and BarbE suggested we have a lottery, I chimed in a raffle with the prize being  the satisfaction of winning. I wagered that Marybe's numbers would be under 6000. Then I just decided to go make a BCO donation regardless and now, so I did. It is easy the link is right at the top of the page on the right side, just scroll up. So, as at any board meeting where one is absent, Marybe named me in charge of spreading the word about this so we might get a nice pool of donations going for BCO which has done so much for so many of us. 

It is tax dedutible too and I did donate in honor of Marybe but didn't request she be notified, she might get a big head ya know. Haha

Here is what Marybe wrote on her thread. 

"Just thought of this....maybe you can spread the word of the contest to some of the other threads, I don't know about honoring me so much because believe me, I am really no one special, BUT wouldn't it be great to raise a bunch of money for BCO since it has given so much to us!? Also, I think you can use it as a tax deduction."

BarbaraA

Praying for better markers for Marybe! Made my donation!

Moderators

This is incredible! We thank you all. Maybe we should set up a special thread for this?

BarbaraA

She has one called Between the devil (the red one) and the deep blue sea.

SoCalLisa