I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange
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YAY ATHENA!!
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Oh yes, that sounds good, Scoot!
And the U.S. Ambassador's death is terrible -- but what is even more terrible is the vile, disgusting, sickening advantage the tealiban is taking of it. The comments on the WaPo article are beyond words. And not a one of those people has a single clue about what it is like to serve in a hostile country. They make me sick. And I am just distraught for the Ambassador's family. The last Ambassador killed was Arnie Raphel, U.S. Ambassador to Pakistan, in a plane explosion that also killed President Zia al-Haq. Awful.
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Yeah, they got us all going for awhile, plus kept us from expressing our political viewpoints. Still, welcome back lioness!!
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My favorite charities are Sea Shepherd and the Humane Society of the U.S. Think I'll send them each a donation today, in honor of Athena and our sane Mods!
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I'm also going to make a donation to the President's campaign. My husband has been telling me to do it and I have been lazy. Hearing Athena roar again has given me the jump start I needed. I PM's the mods so I could get an understanding of what happened. They were very respectful and complete in their response. I'm using the block. Utton but would appreciate a PM from someone letting me know who to block. So far I only have one poster and it is the one that was most recently posting here. Remember before I posted here I lurked for a while and once I realized we were of like mind I ventured in. if only everyone would show that respect for a growing our friendships thread!! I don't always post but am always here and I love the closeness I see has developed in over 900 pages!
Edited because my computer auto checked and changed athena to Aetna!!
Chickadee, take care of yourself. So good to hear from you .... And especially that there is someone there that you can really connect with!! -
HL
I too, am devastated the tealiban would take advantage of a person who DEDICATED his life to public service. He was SO ADMIRED by all who knew him, friends working in journalism have said he always, ALWAYS did his best to be as open and communicative as possible. The tributes are pouring in, and one FUNDAMENTALIST faction tries to take advantage of a TRAGEDY for their own political advantage.
Almost reminds me of the "irony" Alexandria spoke of yesterday - that people would ATTACK a woman with breast cancer, who always ALWAYS in all her posts on BCO tries to help others from her experience. Whew...on 9/11. When we were all in deep, reflective thought, about that horrible day.
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May I also add that we enjoy visiting with those of a more conservative persuasion when they express their views politely. I consider myself pro-life (all human life: that means no abortion but also government help for those who are born and no death penalty and in most cases antiwar) but my sisters here are just that, my sisters. I would never be disrespectful or scold them (what is with the scolding?).
I really do love you guys and I am so glad for your support.
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thank you rosemary - really, I think you have said something SO important. And such a great example of sisterhood. The offensive trolls(?) cuz if trolls live under bridges, what do we call people who hide in pods? are trying to destroy, plain and simple. They keep attacking until someone reponds with a post they can gang up on and GET DELETED by the
"community." What a hideous concept of "community" - a gang using their report buttons to ATTACK a group of breast cancer survivors.Won't go into "motivation" - but jealousy comes quickly to my mind.
REVIEW: for those who don't know how to BLOCK user. Click on the member's name, it will take you to their membership page. Under the avatar are several options, you can add that person as a Favorite, and you can
BLOCK THIS USER
Which means - that person can NOT send you a PM. AND, joy of JOYS, if that person keeps intruding and posting negative things on a thread you frequent, and you don't want to read it, THE WORDS do not appear. You simply get a space next to the user's avatar, and the LOVELY, LOVELY, LOVELY message - this user is blocked.
"Oh, frabjous day, calloo, callay, S/he chortled in Her joy ( apologies to LG Carroll for pronoun adaptations)
The person KNOWS you can not read her words, and she can NOT PM you. IMAGINE. You get to LAUGH at that person's continued attempts to upset you, and the women you respect, admire, support, laugh with, drink cheryl's delicious drinks with, have a sense of REAL community with -
PLEASE, OH, PLEASE just try using the BLOCK USER button. Imagine how much wasier it will make it for the patient Moderators, who have tried just about everything they can do to get these people to "Don't Like, Don't Read" - excpet of course, removing their reporting privileges.
In honor of ALL THOSE WHO SERVE, our chickadee in disaster area, our Ambassador to Libya, who gave his life, our sisters fighting this brutal disease, PLEASE help to keep this sanctuary of good women thriving.
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Done and done. I USED to think it interesting to read what they had to say. Not so any more. I was seriously thinking of leaving BCO because of them. Now I can have my cake, and eat it too. (Whatever that means) kay
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Kay, probably has as much meaning as the saying "cute as a button." Huh, I never thought of buttons as cute.
Sorry, I digress. 
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What Sunflowers said!
Sisters, I love the idea of using this thread as an impetus to donate to worthy causes!! Let's keep it up. I love the idea that every sighting of a creature from under a bridge spurs another round of giving.
Rosemary, I just want to say that I deeply respect not only the idea of polite and civil discussion of differences of opinion, but your consistency of position. I am often surprised by the people who claim to be pro-life, but whose support of life ends with birth. IMO, people who cut off food and medical care to poor children, who support the death penalty and quicker executions, and who are fast to go to war are not "pro-life." They still have a right to their opinions, but they need to come up with another term to describe their views.
Athena, now that you're back and have seen my avatar, I will switch back later today. I'm running out now for a pre-interview hair appointment. Don't want to look as old as I am.
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What Rosemary said! All political persuasions and viewpoints are welcome here, conservatives included. I think of Barbara, for one, who I wish would post more often.
What is NOT welcome are attempts to shut us down, period. It could be politics, it could be BC.
(Edited out, as no longer the case)
That's terrible about the Tealiban (let alone about the ambassador). Terrorism is alive and well.
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I don't think we are supposed to use the 't' word ... how about 'peas' as a substitute. Kind of fitting I think for people who really only want to p*ss on our good time
Tealiban fanatics poking at other religious fanatics who feel their God requires them to go into honor killing mode to avenge the insults and we end up with good, reasonable people who are serving their country dead. We are going to destroy the human race with such stupidity. Sad beyond belief.
And yes Libby ... reading some of the Yahoo, local news, etc. comment pages always has me thinking along the lines of "OMG I hope none of these people live close to me". The pure nastiness ... whether they are talking about a local murder or other story or politics or whatever ... just oozes out of some of them. But then there are always some nice and smart ones too so it's not all bad.
Glad to see Athena back. As for the rash of flying PMs ... doesn't that all remind you of passing notes in junior high. Back then we had to fold them all fancy and draw little flowers on the outside though. Sometimes you just have to laugh and go about your business.
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ATHENA - I want to see it too.
Question ( not rhetorical) - when a post is "removed by the community" it is I thought, reviewed by the Moderators, and if it didn't violate a rule of BCO, it is reinstated? So, if the post by Athena is not restored, can someone please tell me what RULE she violated in her post?
Also, aren't we supposed to be able to SEE who reports a post? Wasn't that so often requested for so long, that I thought it was now possible.
Happy Blocking - new to blocking you will LOVE knowing the person is being increasingly blocked and more & more of us don't read her...
Barbara - FYI - my very best friend in the WHOLE WORLD is very, verey "conservative" and I love her like a daughter, sister, mother all rolled into one! Hope you're finding better working conditions in your job, or a new job, and thank you AGAIN AGAIN AGAIN and again for being SUCH a loving friend to Marybe, and allowing so many who she helped, to let know know tht too. And more...
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WOW, ATHENA
thanks for the PM
WHAT A FABULOUS POST. Telling the truth, and expressing how HURTFUL the process of bullying is, and what the heck rule did it possible violate, except for TELLING THE TRUTH about how some women on BCO have behaved in the past and the few who continue that terrible bullying.
This is so well known, we know enough to put several of the people on BLOCK, why, oh why, would a post so praising the progress BCO has made, the fundraising effort you led for BCO, and praising the Moderators be "deleted by the community."
WOW, just WOW......I've copied your post, I was that inspired by it. Thanks again for your continual support to make this thread SAFE and interesting, and respectful.
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The 'see' who reported a post only happened a couple of times. And caused much grief for the Moderators who then had to dealing with mucho whining and complaints from those who were outed. I'm OK with the way it is now ... because they deal with it so quickly.
Try to think of it as a bunch of gnats annoying you. Much buzzing but minimal bite.
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Thanks, WR. Great idea. gnats, who after all are great food for the bats.
In the confuzzle of even contemplating our Athena not being allowed to post, I FORGOT to thank Scoot for the fantastic IDEA. Does eveyone realize what a truly great group of women this is?
I mean, how many places, can I KNOW someone who personally SAW the BIG BIG BIG Thank you letters to the Canadian Embassy in Washington DC during the "Iran crisis" lo those millions of years ago, I was living in London, yes, England, and the headlines in ALL the papers were of the THANK YOU in the windows of Brookings....
I was living near DC 9/11 - experiencing real back pain, so stayed abed, cancelled early am meetings, phone rang, a friend in NY checking to make sure I was "ok" - honestly, couldn't believe what he was saying, until I turned on the TV.
Too horrendous to even think of now. Everytime I hear a jet flying over head ( Chicopee air base is several miles away) I still flinch. Then, they flew every hour, 24/7 for so long. Once again, Canada extended open arms, so did Iceland, Greenland, community.
Which is part of why I get so angry when I see a post on this thread, removed by "community." NOT. NOT. NOT. They don't deserve the word applied to them.
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The lion no longer sleeps.....welcome back Althena. I am really appalled by this behavior. There are so many things I COULD disagree with....on any given day with a huge variety of people -- but why ???? My one big nagging question in one form or other has always been --- so we all become clones of each other -- then what. We will never need two of anything again. JMHO but I think we are all here on this -- God's green earth ( though even that could be in question by some I suppose ) to learn harmony and love in spite of differences. I don't take it as a deeply personal affront of some kind if someone sees something different from me -- in fact, most people do. It is not a challenge --- it is, for want of a better concept, a time of adjustment....to live and let live. I guess another way to say....don't you have something better to do. Can't you find someone close to you who could use a helping hand.....for God's sake when you get this terrible urge or need to harass......why don't you go out and smile at someone who is sad --- or find a project. I go out daily and have for well over 7 years to some feral cat stations and feed and water them......and did this through all my diagnosis of and txs for my cancer.
There is something good to do in this world.....there is someone who needs you--for pity's sake, stop wallowing in yourself and your rightness and use it for something good, please.
Ok --- I'm sure I haven't done a bit of good....but I feel better.
I too am thankful to the Mods with an often unenviable job. We are fortunate someone is at the gate.
Jackie
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The owner of my hair salon, and her staff, have formed a team to run in CIBC's Run for the Cure (Canadian Breast Cancer Foundation) so, in honour of Athena and all of you here, I've made my donation!
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Cute article about the pizza shop guy I stumbled across this morning ...
http://www.local10.com/news/Big-Apple-Pizza-owner-hugs-President-Obama-during-stop-in-Fort-Pierce/-/1717324/16551870/-/ruqsdoz/-/index.html
He holds a fundraiser at his shop once a month and has raised over $600,000 for families in need. My favorite quote from the article ... "I put him down quickly and I wasn't going to run off with him."
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WR - great, GREAT video, HL explained in her post above all his charity work - so great to see OUR President finding these people and giving us all a chance to experience the goodness he can find in EVERYONE - ok, yes, Lincoln, our better angels...
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Remembering Ambassador Chris Stevens
He's from my neck of the woods and a fellow alumni @ UCB. This event has nothing to do with the Libyan government, but rather some zeolot thugs. More should not be made of it, but I'm sure it will.
Obama gets my donation today. I feel extra good about this one. Welcome back Athena.
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Hello Everyone!
Glad to see Athena back ... whew ... I sure hoped she wasn't banned forever.
Sorry to go off topic, but I have a mini rant. My new client is driving me nuts. I just got an email from him saying he's going to Fed Ex me a bunch of documents and info regarding his reports. He said he put it in the US mail last week, but it hasn't arrived yet ... thus the need for Fed Ex today. The problem is, I have to sit here all day and wait on Fed Ex, because he requested a "signed" delivery of the stuf. arghhh. I am not making enough money from this client to be stuck here waiting all day! The saving grace is that his reports are interesting, so I don't mind editing them.
I think the mods are doing a great job. It's a difficult task to monitor this forum. I don't know why things go awry in our thread, we really are off the beaten path.
Hope everyone's day is much less frustrating than mine.
Hugs,
Bren
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IMO, that pastor in Florida, Terry Jones, should be charged with manslaughter. He contributed to the attack that killed the US envoy by his words - and he should have known his words would lead to death, because they have done so in the past. He inspired deadly riots in Afghanistan in 2010 and last year when he threatened to burn copies of the Koran.
Free speech does not include criminal solicitation. If you know your words will kill and you deliberately use them, you are on the hook, IMO.
I also hope he is sued for wrongful death and ordered to perform community service.
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Kam, I do not mean to be argumentative, but the violent protesters and the killers were not just random thugs. That part of Libya is dominated by extremists and has been for a long time. It also appears that Libyan security personnel handed the Americans over to the crowd.
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Bren, sympathsizing with your frustration - sometimes, in rural areas, you can CALL the FedEx people and arange to lea e a SIGNED letter accepting their delivery, in lieu of being present - I've done that in the past when clients did what your's did.
I forget the wording, it was a long time ago, but something like absolving FedEx of all reponsibility and requesting that the attached SIGNED letter serve in lieu of a signd receipt from you...
also, shhhh...I'm not saying this - might be time to play the "bc card" - you have a drs appt????
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Romney is lying again. Here are the facts about comments from the Ambassador to Egypt, Hilary and Obama. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/12/mitt-romney-obama-libya_n_1877406.html
WASHINGTON --
On Wednesday morning, hours after the deaths of four U.S. diplomats, including the U.S. ambassador to Libya, Mitt Romney put his campaign on the line by attacking President Barack Obama and the besieged diplomats in the Middle East.Romney, in a statement released Tuesday night, had called the president's handling of the Libya and Egypt attacks "disgraceful." Wednesday morning, Romney hastily scrapped a campaign rally in Jacksonville, Fla., dismantling a campaign stage, and instead held a small press conference in which he repeatedly defended his criticism of the administration, slamming embassy officials in Cairo and President Obama. "When our grounds are being attacked, and being breached, that the first response of the United States must be outrage at the breach of the sovereignty of our nation. And apology for America's values is never the right course," he said.
The attacks at the consulate in Libya, and a separate incident at the U.S. embassy in Cairo, came on a day of violence and anger over rumors of an anti-Islamic film scheduled for released in the United States and circulated on the Internet....
Romney's reference to an "apology for America's values" was directed at a statement the U.S. Embassy in Cairo put out on Tuesday morning, but that statement, which was itself responding to the outrage over the anti-Islamic film, was issued before the embassy was attacked, despite Romney's statement to the contrary. What's more, the statement does not apologize for America's values, but rather supports a founding American value, religious tolerance, while referencing the "universal right of free speech." The statement in full:
"The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims -- as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. Today, the 11th
anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the United States, Americans are honoring our patriots and those who serve our nation as the fitting response to the enemies of democracy. Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others."After the Cairo embassy's initial statement, as a mob protest outside the embassy heated up, even entering the compound, and commentators in the U.S. suggested the embassy condemn the protesters, the embassy responded through its Twitter feed: "Of course we condemn breaches of our compound, we're the ones actually living through this." The embassy added: "Sorry, but neither breaches of our compound or angry messages will dissuade us from defending freedom of speech AND criticizing bigotry."
The diplomats in Cairo survived the assault on their embassy. When the protests spread to Libya, diplomats there weren't so lucky: Four U.S. State Department officials, including Ambassador to Libya Christopher Stevens, were killed in an hourslong assault. Romney responded by attacking the diplomats in Cairo.
"The embassy in Cairo put out a statement after their grounds had been breached, protesters were inside the grounds," said Romney at his press conference. "They reiterated that statement after the breach. I think it's a -- a terrible course for America to stand in apology for our values."
Did Romney expect the Cairo diplomats to retract their defense of religious tolerance in the face of the attack? Or did Romney expect the Obama administration to denounce the diplomats who were under siege?
...Reporters in Washington have been as quick to condemn Romney as he was to condemn Obama and the embassy officials. "Unless Mitt has gamed crisis out in some manner completely invisible to Gang of 500, doubling down=most craven+ill-advised move of '12," Time's Mark Halperin tweeted, referring to the Beltway establishment.
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and President Obama, meanwhile, struck a somber and emotional tone, offering remembrances for the American diplomats who lost their lives in the violence....
In an appearance in the Rose Garden on Wednesday, flanked by Clinton, the president spoke about the events the night before, pledging that the incidents would "not break the bonds between the United States and Libya."
"We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others," Obama said, referencing the anti-Islamic video, "but there is no justification for this kind of violence. None."
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notself - even Republican foreign policy experts are condemning Romney's comments. Really has shot himself in the proverbial foot, again, again, again...
taking advantage of the LIVES lost, lives of people who were serving their country...don't get me started
http://thepage.time.com/2012/09/12/romney-and-foreign-policy/#ixzz26GjITJW7
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I think this may be the day that Romney lost the election. How cynical and self-serving to use the deaths of our ambassador and other civil servants to promote himself politically. I am totally disgusted. While not a big fan of President Obama, he is worlds better than RMoney.
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Romney is speaking to the religious right who specifically do not agree with the following: "Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others."
They believe to their core that the United States is a Christian country, and not just Christian, but THEIR version of Christian. They absolutely do NOT believe it is important to respect the religious beliefs of others. Nor do they believe that anyone with whom they disagree has free speech as a right. They believe fervently in their own rights, but do not believe in the rights of others. They don't see any irony in this stance, either.
http://youtu.be/WGk4vUcGzY0
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