I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange

bluedahlia

E looks like such a peaceful place to be.  Good for you!

1Athena1

It is a very lovely, peaceful place and you, E, look so pretty. Those turtles love it there.

Anonymous

So those airmen who had to be rescued when their plane went down over Libya were never in a dangerous situation?  Just another day at the office? 

When you travel with your children during spring break, that may be a working vacation, but it's a vacation. 

crazy4carrots

Enjoyful IS very pretty, and very photogenic!  Oh, and so is her little companion!  (Have to confess, that's the only kind of reptile I could ever get close to!)

bluedahlia

Linda, just read your post.  That is truly an example of how such things can be scripted.  There's one born every minute, as the saying goes.

Medigal

Shirley:  Thank you for returning to help explain certain issues.  Tomorrow I was going to start searching for another discussion group where I could discuss political issues.  However, it would make me very happy if you were able to start a political thread over here so like-minded people and even those who disagree with us can discuss opinions of what is going on in our country today.  If you do start a thread, would you please PM me or advise on here what the name will be?

Ladies:  I need to make one thing clear to you about Beck.  I had the same opinion of him for quite some time and still believe he "uses" problematic issues to draw people to his tv show.  For months I refused to let DP even turn his program on because I felt he was making a career for himself and lots of money using these issues to scare people into watching him.  I was "poo pooing" whatever he spoke about until I found out from other sources that the information he was giving was ACCURATE!!   I then only believed him IF I heard other sources on tv who I respected give the same information.  Most of them had panels to discuss these problems and give their opinions on them or they brought on senators to speak.  What I am getting at is the problems we are concerned about are not coming out of Beck's imagination no matter what you may want to think.  I do not like the way he presents the information and prefer a more professional presentation than he gives.  I am NOT a fan of Beck but unfortunately, the information he has shared is to make us aware that we have enemies who want to change our country as we know it.   If you don't want to believe this, no one is forcing you to.  However, I think you would be wise to allow others to share it for those who may want to be educated.  

Since Blue has started this thread for us, I think if she and the rest of you do not want politics, in any way to be discussed here, you should add that to the title of the thread.  After tonight, I will no longer be bothering you with my political opinions.  Whether it is a new thread Shirley starts or another, I will find a group of people I can feel free to discuss politics with.  It is one of the ways I can forget about bc and is very cathortic for me.  I am just sorry it can't be with the group I care so much about.  

BTW, for those of you who wanted to know where we spent celebrating our 50 years together, it was in a very inexpensive pizza restaurant.  A pizza was what we ate the night we were married and DP liked the idea that we should close the 50 years with another pizza. I just liked the idea that it could be a "cheap" celebration and I had $50.00 left to spend on cooking ware I needed!

However this ends up with the politics, ladies, please know you will always have a special place in my heart.

Medipal

kellyj

  If you think about it, who would have believed a year ago that so many Middle Eastern  countries would be  in upheaval at this point.  If someone would have predicted it, they would have been a conspiracy theorist and a fear monger for sure!!!  Prove that what Beck says is wrong.  Start with his "facts" and prove them wrong.  He asks his listeners to do their own homework, so prove the facts wrong.  Don't just call him names.   I don't agree with Ed S. or Rachel M., but I don't mock them on here.   I agree with Shirley that you are bullies.  Look at the way you treated sweet Kindergarten....or Shokk.....or the way you will just ignore Shirley or PatMom.  If we don't reply, they will just go away...................

Wabbit

I'm in Indiana and that scumbag is one county over from me.  It's been all over the news and in the papers here.

He lied with great abandon about the whole thing at first ... he would never suggest such a thing, somebody hacked his email, he was out shopping for a minivan when the email was sent and even that he feared for his own safety if somebody would impersonate him like that.  And his also Republican boss wasn't even going to investigate it because he just knew he would never say such things.   

Then he confessed and resigned.  Telling lies comes so natural to some of these clowns that they can't help it ...

But he's very very sorry and he really didn't mean it he says now.  Yeah right.

Wabbit

Enjoyful ... gorgeous ... you and the picture both.  I'm jealous of the sunshine!

I personally don't consider Beck to be politics.  He is entertainment ... and not good entertainment ... more of the snake oil, rabble rouser variety.   If other people want to discuss what he says have at it.  Just don't expect me to take him seriously because frankly I consider him a buffoon.   Nor am I required to 'prove his facts wrong'.   I don't consider him to be credible enough to make it worth my time to do so.  Sorry.   YMMV

Edited to add:  This stuff always reminds me of the time many years ago that my former FIL stated quite seriously that the stuff in those tabloid magazines he used to read "Had to be true otherwise they couldn't print it".  

I'm not bullying anybody ... I just get to state my opinion too.  That's the way it works.  You put it out there and sometimes people agree and/or want to talk about it ... and sometimes they don't. 

And since you brought it up.  Kindergarten sent an insulting PM to otter and apologized and that was the end of that.  And Shokk was just unsuccessful in attempting to recruit others to her way of thinking about another poster being the 'bad guy' we should join together to 'stop'.  Not a good idea IMHO  Not joining in on that does not equate to bullying either. 

Wabbit

Medigal ... now to more pleasant things.  Congratulations on your anniversary!!

Pizza sounds good to me ... and as an acknowledged tightwad I can appreciate that the cookware is a much better gift than blowing it all on one meal. 

Enjoyful

Thank you all!  It was a great day spent with good friends in beautiful weather.  Plus a TURTLE.  Things just don't get better than that so I had to share.  :-)

Just read about the Wisconsin state Senator who got his mistress a job that she didn't apply for, and at a 35% increase over the last person to hold the job.  So yes, let's go after the lazy, worthless government employees to balance the budget (unless they're sleeping with a politician!).  Sheesh.

E

Wabbit

Now E ... surely you can understand that tax money is better spent helping a state senator keep his mistress happy ... instead of giving all that money to a teacher or a fireman or a police officer. 

And I forgot to comment on your turtle friend ... quite a handsome fellow!  Or lady turtle?  How can you tell anyway?

Anonymous

lindasa wrote:   Shirley: I doubt you would approve of this kind of behaviour.  And this guy was an officer of the court.   

Of course I don't condone such behavior.  I don't believe any of us who are on the right has said that all republicans are little angels.  There is good and bad in both parties.  I still don't like the Communist Party and do not know what this has to do with what I was talking about.  Oh yeah, I was talking about Wisconsin.  So?  His behavior does not excuse the protesters behavior.  And furthermore, Walker did not "employ" any "ploys".  Those thugs were the real thing.

BarbaraA

Well, have to agree with Medigal. If one has a conservative view here, one is made fun of and out comes the patronizing 'martian' talk. That, in schoolyard terms' is called piling on and is unbecoming. JMHO. Opinions are fine, taunting is not.

covertanjou

Barbara, "taunting"?  Really?  Where was the taunting?  I have every right to joke about Glenn Beck.  I have every right to make fun of Beck.  I also would make fun and ridicule any 9/11 Truther.  So, yes, I will ridicule Glenn Beck since he spends his time spouting inanities.  If you read our posts, at no time did I make fun of Medigal.  I made fun of BECK.  I think he is a moron who sees conspiracies everywhere: hence the Martian jokes.

BarbaraA

Mary it is stuff like this that really bothers me. Sure you can have any opinion you want but I do not make fun of the bozos on MSNBC nor do I post sarcastic opinions about Rachel Maddow or Bob Beckel. Why make fun of people and be scathing? It is mean and unbecoming, as I said before.

The Blaze?  Really?  This "news" or "revelation" comes from The Blaze?  The website funded by Glenn Beck?  Really?  Glenn Beck?  The same person who called Obama a racist?  Who warns of a Caliphate?  Really?  <<<<<YAWN>>>>

covertanjou

Who is stopping you from making fun of Maddow or MSNBC HERE?  

Also, you just wrote, "do I make fun of the bozos on MSNBC."  Well, didn't you just post a "scathing" opinion about Maddow and MSNBC?  What's the difference?  Can't your comments be considered "mean and unbecoming"?

lewing

Medigal, I like your pizza anniversary celebration (and congrats on the milestone). My partner and I bonded over anchovy pizza on our second date, so pizza (extra anchovies, please!) is one of our sentimental favorites, too. Of course, we only have a year for each decade you and DP have had together. Congrats again!

BarbaraA

What is mean and sarcastic about me saying that I do not post mean and sarcastic opinions about Maddow and Beckel? You have no idea what my opinion is of them. I used them as an example of left-leaning people on TV. I might think they are fair. You have no idea what I think unless I tell you.  Go ahead and keep on replying in your mean and sarcastic way. I am done with this subject.

annettek

BarbaraA and Enjoyful- how beautiful! I am up for a meet later in the year and outer banks sound wonderful - I have never been there.

Any of you in the NYC area that want to hook up next week, I willbe in town for convention 3/27-3/31- It would be great to meet you:) Sun and Monday are the best days (gonig in two days early for some R&R) gimme a holler if interested

IronJawedBCAngel

Mean spirited, insulting taunts have gone both ways, and it is hypocritical of those who now accuse those that disagree with them of being bullies.  Many of us have been on the receiving end of the bullying, especially when we have had posts deleted for no reason at all, other than our opinions do not coincide with theirs.  I love Medigal, but even her post was not entirely innocent in its tone, as any who did not agree had "their heads in the sand".  

Personally, I think this is the perfect thread for politics, but you have to expect that not everyone is going to agree.  I do not expect that I am going to change anyone's stand on an issue when I post something, and I hope those on the other side understand and respect that they are not going to change mine.  It is a thread that provokes thought on various ideas, and that is always a good thing.  I have learned a lot of valuable information on this thread, and I hope that does not change.  We all bring great perspective, and sometimes better recipes, to a site that might otherwise have us wallowing in our various bc diagnoses.  I love this little interlude from my real life.

Beck has a terrible record of telling "Liar,Liar. Pants on Fire" rated untruths on his show, and Fox has had no problem with allowing him to do so.  He is an entertainer at best.  He can not be called a newscaster when he is giving you his opinion, not fact.

Deep breath, ladies.  It's Friday, and the usual cast of characters have descended to bring strife and discord to this thread.  If you don't like an opinion, ignore.

Medigal,  I sincerely hope you had a wonderful evening, and that both you and your dear husband enjoy many more anniversaries.  It is a gift to be able to spend an evening with the one you love, no matter where the location.  I am sure you will make some yummy dishes with your new cookware.

My husband is home sick from work, so plans to grill fish tonight will likely not come to fruition.  Probably pizza for us as we watch Kentucky and Ohio State.  Duke got beaten, so I can always hope our Cats achieve a miracle!

BarbaraA

IJBCA, As I said, I have never insulted ot taunted anyone on this thread or any other. I have no problem with respectful disagreement but the meanness really bothers me nor do I like being called a hypocrite. It is fine with me for others to hold different opinions but it is not fine with me to have others respond with mean and scathing replies to said opinions. JMHO.

AnneW

IJBCA, I'll pull for your Cats now that my Dookies are out. AZ impressed the hell out of me, though, and I hope they can beat UCONN. Will someone please beat the TarHeels??

I think you made some really good points in your post above. No one here is really going to change anyone else's mind about politics. But we may gain insight into each other, and into ourselves by a thoughtful examination of our beliefs and values. ("Thoughtful" should be the key. However, beliefs and values do ont often bring out the best in us, as we've seem time and again here.)

I'd like to get into a discussion about our role in Libya, but won't "hit and run" because I'm off to work and won't be able to respond for many hours. So I'll save it for the weekend, unless the weekend monsters are out in force, in which case I'll just ignore. Or put my head in the sand. Whatever.

IronJawedBCAngel

Barbara, my post was not directed at any individual personally.  Honestly, even though I do not always agree with your posts, you are always respectful, and I don't believe you have ever participated in the attack and delete squad.

BarbaraA

Since I had posted and you responded to it, I assumed you were taking about me. You know what they say about assume.....No worries.

River_Rat

Medigal, I hope your celebration was wonderful and that you enjoy your new cookware.   

To everyone, IMHO 

I'm pretty sure that in the past I've seen some of the conservative ladies say that they didn't believe things that came from liberal sites and even from mainstream media.  I think that's all that happened with Beck.  We liberals indicated we don't take him seriously.  And since he is an entertainer (he even says so) and goes from one conspiracy to the next so quickly he is kind of easy to make fun of.

And the ladies insisting that those of us not taking him seriously had our heads in the sand or whatever terms were used is comparable to me coming in with the wildest rumors that I might read on the furthest lefty sites and then me being upset if you didn't take them seriously - just an exercise in futility.

River_Rat

Lewing! - Just saw you up there and wanted to say Hi, I've missed you.

IronJawedBCAngel

Barbara, I will admit to being small minded and petty enough to envy you your place of abode, especially after your sunset photo earlier this week.  My ocean loving Aquarius personality craves some sun, sand and boatdrinks!  We had a gorgeous 80 degree spring day on Monday, today it is grey, damp and will barely get out of the 30's.   

I can feel my inner Eeyore coming out.

1Athena1

Barbara: I see your point. However, I do think it is fair game to make a distinction between attacks on someone here (or their friends, family, etc...) versus an attack on a public figure. There should be no expectation of daintiness for the latter, so long as the attacks do not delve into jingoism or racism, of course.

You mention  some "bozos" on MSNBC - your words. Not safe to assume that we who prefer MSNBC to Fox wouldn't agree with you. I can think of two "bozos" in connection with MSNBC - and as I think on it I remark to myself what a perfect word that is to describe them. One was recently fired (or forced to resign - take your pick) and the other one is still there.

In fact, one shouldn't assume that any of us here likes any public figure in particular just because he or she may have views that dovetail with ours in the political spectrum. I happen to think Beck is a scary, fanatical little tyrant. I think Bill Clinton is a narcissist. I admire Olympia Snowe and, as you know, am a huge Obama fan.

I think the assumptions bit is what gets us caught up, and we have to not take things personally. I never take personally the fact that some might hate Obama. It has nothing to do with me. It is their opinion of him.

Any politics discussion in our polarized country requires a certain degree of hardiness. We need to distinguish between the BCO member and her views, between the BCO member's politics and the public figures who represent similar views, and not get caught up in accusations that make these huge leaps that are frequently not warranted.

Edited to add: I don't really mean to direct this post "at" you - I direct it at everyone, but following up on your posts, above.

River_Rat

Anybody want to talk about Japan?  The nuclear accident has now reached a level 6:

http://www.asahi.com/english/TKY201103250204.html

My heart goes out to the people of Japan.  I cannot imagine the horror that they have gone through.