I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange

konakat

I used to eat properly (believe it or not!) and of course connect nutrition with a strong body.  And like everyone else, I know people who were very health conscious that got cancer and smoke-stacks with a fistful of potato chips chugging along cancer free.  The question is what flips that switch and makes the cells start reproducing abnormal cells.  That's the kazillion dollar question.

Once I reached the point of no return I began to indulge myself and I don't feel a moment's guilt.  I don't think it's made any difference.  I was toast from diagnosis and all the healthy stuff I did didn't do a damn thing.  That said, if I wasn't stage IV I would be doing things differently, eating better, just in case it does help.  Now, just pass the brownies.

Anonymous

notself wrote:

Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols were Christian ( Oklahoma City bombing).  The Aryan Nation membership are Christian. The Covenant the Sword and the Arm of the Lord (CSA) is Christian. The Ku Klux Klan membership is Christian.  The Phineas Priesthood is Christian.  All are terrorist organizations according to the FBI. 

Why isn't King investigating Christians?

There are nutjobs in all kinds of groups.  No religion has an exclusive on that. 

How many of those groups have had members screaming that they are acting "in Jesus's name" as they are committing their heinous acts?  Most members are nominal Christians. not dedicated Christians, and their actions are in spite of their church's teachings, not inspired by them.

Have any mainstream Christian groups praised them for their actions?   Have mainstream groups worked to stop them? 

The fact that those groups are so far outside the mainstream makes them much easier for law enforcement to identify and track.  

Does anyone have any problems distinguishing a granny going to her local church on Sunday morning from a member of the Aryan Nation? 

Is trying to make sure the terrorists who are Muslims are as far outside the mainstream of that religion as radicals who happen to be Christian a problem?

Anonymous

thank you Melissa.  and thank you Anne, for your "rant" - so painful to think there are people who want to make it even more difficult for women who are dealing with bc.

3monstmama

As someone who has eatten fairly healthy for years and years---including no high fructose corn syrup, no junk food, mostly organic [including meat]--I have come to think that BC is the perfect storm.  And yes, pip57, I do think that being healthy helped give me the diagnois I got but I think there are factors out of my control that contributed as well.

I concurr that lying to promote an agenda is just plain wrong, whether the liar is on the left the right or the middle.

Add to the list of domestic terrorism with no link to any Muslim the twerp NeoNazi just arrested in Washington state for trying to set off a bomb at an MLK parade this past January.

I am painfully familiar with the events of the Japanese internment.  I have known people whose parents were interned and who were themselves born in the camps.  When reparations were finally agreed upon and the appology issued, I attended the celebration and danced in the street.   It is sad that today people still don't see the impact of fear and ignorence.  In grad school---frighteningly more than 20 years ago---I had mega knockdown drag out arguements with people over whether it was right or wrong.  To me, the difference between Japanese internment camps and the internment camps where loyal German citizens were placed in WWII [and remember, it was not just Jews who were sent to camps.  Certain religious groups, gypsies, gays and the handicapped were sent as well] is a question of degree.  In both cases, a entire group was damned based on no evidence simply because the people in the group were different than the majority.  The nazis ---like other dictatorships--just took it further down the road. 

When I heard that the hearings were precluding testimony of people from Justice/FBI/Homeland Security because they wouldn't support the Congressman's position and he already knew what they would say, I felt so very sad for my country.  How did we get back to this same stupid place?

River_Rat

Gracie1, that is such a heart-wrenching story.  My daughter did her social work internship in a pediatric oncology unit.  She grew so much from that experience.

Moderators (Hello Melissa if that's you),thanks for the link. 

ananda8

Medigal,

My point was that any government investigation into the adherents of a religion just because some terrorists practice that religion is wrong.  It is wrong to investigate Muslims only for being Muslim as it would be to investigate Christians for being Christian just because terrorists are members of the religion.

Saying that these Christian terrorists are not good Christians is besides the point.  They believed they were and are good Christians. 

King is doing a disservice's to all Americans with his witch hunt disguised as a hearing.

AnneW

You guys got me craving the brownies!! Or homemade chocolate chip cookies, hot from the oven...

Re: lifestyle/abortion/fill-in-the-blank and BC--correlation is NOT causation. No matter how much we want to believe it. Right now, with now real, single cause for BC, it boils down to our personal belief systems, to me. If you're anti-choice, then you believe that abortion will be the cause of BC. If you're anti-alcohol, then you'll believe that BC is caused by alcohol. If you are pro-brussel sprouts, then you believe regular consumpion will stave off recurrance...And while there may be grains of truth in it all, it's not the WHOLE truth. Yes, alterations in hormones can be a trigger for cancer growth. But not for everyone. So blanket statements are pretty worthless.

That said, I heard on the news a couple nights ago about the rise in the number of women who get diagnosed with BC while pregnant. That alone is a shock. But would I tell any woman that it's her fault--that her pregnancy caused her cancer? Hell no. But we (the royal "we") will be happy to accuse a woman who's had a pregnancy terminated that SHE alone is responsible.

Makes me sick.

crazy4carrots

Points well taken everyone -- moderation is the key.  Seriously.  Be grateful for the ability and the desire to eat.  And buy one brownie at a time.

We actually have 3 fantastic bakeries in our small town, and another baker who sells her "best in the world" butter tarts on the weekend.  Temptations galore so if any of you are appetite-challenged, pm me!

pip57

"Does anyone have any problems distinguishing a granny going to her local church on Sunday morning from a member of the Aryan Nation? "

Even Aryans grow up to be grannies. 

River_Rat

Pip57, I am so sorry that you lost your daughter.

lassie11

Ok - so if being overweight is a factor, maybe that's why I got BC. I eat well, just too much. It's all my fault.

Will my daughter get BC because I am her mother or escape because she is slender? Or will she get it because she had a quite unintended miscarriage or escape because she eats healthy food?

Or is all of this nonsense and we get it or we don't based on science that really truly has reached no conclusion about the causes - or there would be a cure in place already.

pip57

I have really chosen the healthier route because I was treating my body badly and expecting it to do wonderful things for me.  It wasn't working on many levels.  

It does bother me when people assume that changing eating and exercising behaviour is somehow depriving oneself of a happy life.  It is quite the opposite.  For example, stop using salt and you will be surprised how much flavour you have been missing in common foods.  Reduce sugar intake and you will find the same thing.  Walk more often and do exercises and you will have a lot more energy.

Medigal

gracie:  You never said what the daughter (17) was dying of.  However, she probably had a disease which was going to end her life young no matter what she ate.  This is why I am not a proponent of basically healthy, organic food.  If one is doomed to get a disease or is born with that genetic factor, all the spinach, and grass in the world may not save them.  So why not enjoy one's life while you can.  I eat whatever I want, when I want and will not deny myself that cheesecake because it may not be "healthy" for me.  I just make sure I limit myself to how much of the goodies I eat.  Chocolate chip cookies at bedtime means one or two, not half a bag.  So to me, the secret is in knowing how to limit oneself. 

pip57

"If one is doomed to get a disease or is born with that genetic factor, all the spinach, and grass in the world may not save them.  So why not enjoy one's life while you can. "

That is the kind of thinking that I was referring to in my previous post. You can enjoy life AND be healthy. It is a choice, but please don't think that by limiting certain foods you are limiting your ability to enjoy life. 

IHOP

I'm still waiting for the evidence that chocolate is the cure for all things.  I'd be the healthiest person in the world! 

Anonymous

When it comes to BC, there are no guarantees, just things you can do that might make the odds a little better for you. 

Nothing guarantees that a specific person won't get BC, and even the worst family history and lifestyle is not a guarantee that a specific person will get BC.  Until science comes up with a fail proof way to prevent cancer, or at least a fool proof way to cure it, we are stuck playing the odds, and knowledge is the best tool we have right now.  Let's work to share what knowledge there is, and let each woman decide how she wants to handle that information, rather than keeping it from her in an effort to "protect" her from information that she may not like.

Bren-2007

Hi Darlene .. Welcome!

The biggest problem I have is with weight gain post menopause and treatment.  I can eat healthy and limit my calorie intake, and still have a problem getting these few pounds off.  They seem to be right in my mid section.  I wish I could take HRT (of course I can't with ER+ cancer), but if I could, I know it would help me with energy and weight loss.

Bren

rosemary-b

Raise your hand if you breastfed six chidren until they were ready to quit and still got breast cancer. Raise both hands if you ate healthy food.

Now dance around if after bc diagnosis you decided to give yourself a break and eat what you want. 

Raising hands and dancing here. Real food tastes so much better han junk but if I want a brownie or to eat just chocoalte all day, I do it.  What I was doing before was good but there is nothing that will proect us from all the bad things in life.

pip57

Totally agree with you on the lifestlye thing Patmom. If the other was referring to the abortion link, I think that it has been shown to be untrue.   

Darlene, good news.  Chocolate IS one of the foods recommended for cancer patients.  It should be over 70% and as pure as possible.  The flavonoids are just one of the great nutrients in chocolate! 

rosemary-b

Oh and cocoa powder is a good source of fiber!

Edited to add: it is ground up beans, you know.

leggo

Medigal, it was cancer (a tumor surrounding her heart). They never did come to a conclusion as to type of primary cancer. I'm not going to deny my children anything they want to eat after meeting that family. When she could finally eat all the junk she wanted, her ability to swallow was taken away.

IHOP

Hi BinVA and thanks.  Pip, that is good news!  The bad news is that my grandson brought home a bag of twizzlers yesterday and I've eaten half the bag today while he's at school.  Won't he be surprised!

pip57

Gracie, my daughter's cancer was similar.  One of the tumours was around her heart. Many were on her lung.  They could not clearly identify exactly what it was because it was so aggressive and the cells were rapidly changing.  They only knew that it was a sarcoma and 'probably' rhabdomyosarcoma (muscle).  

BarbaraA

Pip, so sorry to hear of your daughter. Hugs.

Who is this bozo, Peter King? Wanted to make a 'name' for himself? Well, if so, it is working in a bad way, since I never heard of him before these 'hearings'. Sheesh. This is dumb, IMO.

rosemary-b

Pip

I am so sorry about your daughter

Medigal

pip:  That is so sad about your daughter's tumor.  I had no idea one could get that kind of tumor.  I guess the horror of cancer is that it can invade any part of the body.  How scary!

bluedahlia

((((((((Pip))))))))

ananda8

Pip,

I don't know what to say.  (hug(Pip)hug)

3monstmama

pip and gracie,  I'm so sorry for both of you.

A friend of my mother's just lost her second oldest daughter to that type of cancer.  They did all they could and nothing had any impact.  She left a loving husband, an 8 year old daughter and a devastated mother and siblings.

Science knows less than we wish to believe it does.

bluedahlia