I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange

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  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited March 2013

    Piece just came in from Add. Info.  Headlines are:  Fox News host claims Iraq war was the smartest thing George Bush did.  Eric Bolling.

    Just what I would expext after that letter came out and just what I would expect from the Wing Nut Warblers over at Fox. 

    Jackie

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited March 2013

    I remember distinctly feeling like this war, this war we were lied into, would cost American taxpayers more than they would be prepared to pay, financially.  Everytime I hear someone complain about the debt, I scream inside "Then why were you for invading Iraq?!!"  

  • lewing
    lewing Member Posts: 1,288
    edited March 2013

    Good morning all!  And happy first day of spring . . . the sun is out, the birds are chirping and cooing, and the leaf buds on the trees are getting fatter.  Thinking of going up on the roofdeck later this afternoon to look for green shoots.

    In the meantime: coffee, the NYT, a sh!tload of work, and a "get to know you" appointment with my new onc (just a check-up).

    Linda

  • Belinda44
    Belinda44 Member Posts: 718
    edited March 2013

    Happy Spring!!!

  • lassie11
    lassie11 Member Posts: 1,500
    edited March 2013

    I just swept last night's light snowfall from my front sidewalk. You say spring started today?!

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited March 2013
  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited March 2013

    Maybe some snow flurries here today on the first day of Spring.  I think I'll do ok anyway.  Lots to do this time of year so no matter how anxious, the time will pass pretty quick and I'll be wishing it to slow down more than likely.

    More on the news this a.m. about Stubenville.  Seems the girl who was raped is not receiving death threats.  Really.  Still seems a very wrong picture to me ( though I don't have all the facts ) and I hope this gets sorted out.  We are not coming to much if this is becoming how these things are handled.

    Jackie

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited March 2013

    Statins may increase risk of kidney problems:

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health-and-fitness/health-navigator/statins-may-increase-risk-of-kidney-problems/article9965366/

    I was prescribed Crestor after chemo and took it for about a year.  I stopped, after reading about the benefits of aged garlic and any of the allium family (I love garlic and onions!).  My HDL levels are in the right proportion to LDL, and while both are in the upper range, the doc says to keep on doing what I'm doing!

    Weather update:  Here in Niagara, we had a dusting of snow last night and the already blooming crocuses didn't like it one bit!  It's cold but sunny here for the first day of spring.

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited March 2013

    Linda, that is concerning, but what about the evidence that statins help prevent bc? Seems like there is always an up and a down side to things.

    We also had a weird dusting of snow yesterday. It will be in the 40's today. Not too bad. 

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited March 2013

    yorkie and Linda, I would be concerned about the liver damage that the statin drug often produces, so you are right.  Every good effect may be countered by a negative one. When I was being trained as a Medical Corpsmen, many, many years ago that is what I was taught.....to carefully weigh the need for ANY drug and that the longer you were able to not use any, the better off you would be.  I take too many, but not actually out of the question for my age. 

    Jackie

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited March 2013

    Yorkie -- I wasn't aware of evidence that statins help prevent BC.

    Here in the GWN, we have a non-profit called the Canadian Breast Cancer Foundation, established about 20 years ago and which recently became connected to the Komen Foundation.  They've started a campaign to advise women how to "prevent" bc and I do take issue with it, as I am convinced that it gives women a false sense of security.  Whereas, we know that even with none of the known (or supposedly known) risk factors, there are plenty of women who develop this f'ing disease anyhow -- my own mother being one of themFrown.

    Jackie, I agree with you.  The fewer pharmaceuticals we ingest, the better!  There are too, too many that cause SEs that lead to more disorders.

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited March 2013

    Jackie and Linda, agree on trying to avoid excess pills whenever practical. It bugged me after I started femara how the docs poo-pooed possible problems like high cholesterol, bone loss or blood sugar. Their stock answer was for me not to worry about those things, because if they happened, I could just take another pill for whatever it was. I may have to one day, but meanwhile I diet and exercise in the hope of postponing that day as much as possible. My onc finally got on board and told me to keep doing whatever I am doing. The orthopedist I saw the other day told me the same thing.

  • 208sandy
    208sandy Member Posts: 2,610
    edited March 2013

    I have always questioned the use of statins - my dh was on them for years and ended up on dialysis, it's one of those "things about big pharma" - your drugs should be reviewed annually by you and your doctor and pharmacist - sometimes finding the se's is difficult because the listings for the consumer are not as complete as those for the medical professionals but it needs to be done - I am currently having problems with too much bp medication reacting with arimidex making me into a virtual zombie - thankful that I am not on the dreaded statin as well.

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited March 2013

    Sandy, that is a VERY good point.  The problems that may come from the medications you take could take years to show themselves.  Also, I think the older drugs, if you must take them at all, are probably wise to consider.  The biggest reason for that......more is known arount individual response and long term effects.  When I had to leave my local PCP due to Ins. loss and go to the V.A. they switched the few medications I was on at the time.......and I was switched to older, long established drugs which in fact gave me better numbers. 

    The Pharma Reps taught to push it all in the Dr's offices...have helped fill them all up with new drugs with track records only going so far.  The newer drugs I always took were ok, but the older ones turned out to be better and the few I need I feel much more comfortable using. 

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited March 2013

    And on another note (entirely!):

    I'm getting a little tired of hearing U.S. media using the French word "niche" and pronouncing it "nitch" instead of how it should be pronounced as "neesh".  It's a lovely word, very useful.

    Okay, rant over!

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited March 2013

    Drives me nuts too, Lindasa.

    Wlcome back, navygirl!

  • lewing
    lewing Member Posts: 1,288
    edited March 2013

    Gotta disagree with you guys . . . I think it's inevitable and fine to steal words from other lanugages and then anglicize (or americanize) the pronunication.  I will proudly continue to say NITCH.

    But then, I'm from Detroit.  As in, Troit.  Not Twah.

    Linda

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited March 2013

    There is also "ecological niche" used in the life sciences in the USA and academicians have always taught this word in the Americanized version.  In fact, after 6 years of french in school, and that many or more in biology/botony, I've always said nitch, and I'm one to see a word of french origin and naturally apply my french phonetics first - always getting a quizical look when I do so.

    If anyone saw that CNN documentary "Heart Attack," Dr. Esseltyn (Forks over Knives fame) and others have said that not all LDL is bad.  If your other overall heart risk numbers are good - fatty acids and blood pressure, but have a high LDL, you might want to have this checked:  Small LDL molecules will stick to the sides of arteries and cause plaque, but large LDL molecules don't.  If your other overall stats are bad, I've read then the test might be moot - they'd treat your cholesterol no matter what (assuming cholesterol numbers bad), though I'm not sure of the logic there and just researching myself.  Presumably, the test for LDL molecule size is a blood sample, but I've yet to find what it's called or the price, or if it is a current Standard of Practice.  I plan to ask my PCP next time I see her.

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited March 2013

    NITCH is a contraction of nit itch, silly girl!

    Okay, can't help myself, being from a bilingual country.  But then, according to your theory, Linda, why isn't Des Moines pronounced "Dess Moines"?  Huh??Wink

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited March 2013

    Oh, Lewing, I shall challenge thee to a duel. I also get annoyed with Americans pronouncing names like Colin or Collin COW-LIN. It's CAA-LIN.

    This purist also gets pissed off when people say "like" every other word. It makes them sound stupid. For too many Americans - especially teenagers and college studies, that is, sadly the goal. Our culture is anti-intellectual.

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited March 2013

    Okay, here's another one:  "You're welcome" has been replaced by "No problem".  I pay for something, the clerk gives me a receipt, I say thank you, and she says "No problem". I always want to say "I just gave you money.  How can that be a problem?"  But I never do.......Innocent

  • lewing
    lewing Member Posts: 1,288
    edited March 2013

    I'd hardly offer Des Moines (aka "De Moyne") as an example of French pronunciation! 

    Seriously, we Americans are all over the map with our place name pronunciations.  There's a river and city in Illinois, Des Plaines, that I believe is pronounced Dess Plains.  And in Detroit, where there are lots of French place names, we smile when someone says Ca-Dieux instead of Cadjoo (that used to be my exit off I-94, so I had to school a lot of out-of-town friends in its pronunciation). 

    A very weird one is another major road, Lahser. That h-before-s thing is very rare in English, so most Detroiters transpose the two and call it Lasher.  A few affected souls call it Lah-zher.  Hardly anyone calls it Lah-ser.

    Linda

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited March 2013

    Oh, there's another one in MI -- near Port Huron, actually, spelled Gratiot.  My sister told me everyone pronounces it "Grashit".

    Old story but maybe not for the new folks here:  My sister, American DH and kids were travelling to the Maritimes, through Ontario and Quebec.  It wasn't until they were somewhere between Montreal and Quebec City that my BIL asked "Where on earth is this place called "Sortie"?  It's on every exit sign!"  Sister enjoyed relating that story to us!

  • River_Rat
    River_Rat Member Posts: 1,724
    edited March 2013

    The language discussion has me giggling. I'm from Detroit but I say "niche." I do get strange looks though. Lindasa, your story about your BIL and the word "sortie" had me laughing out loud and remembering my father-in-law. My in-laws went camping in Canada one year. He didn't get a shower for about a week. Just couldn't bring himself to go into a building labeled, "douche." 

    Edited to add: I meant to say I say "neesh" for niche.

  • gardengumby
    gardengumby Member Posts: 7,305
    edited March 2013

    The words that are anglicized the worst are probably the Native American words.  For example, a town near me is named Puyallup.  Most people who don't live around here look at that word and pronouce it pu yal' up.  Anyone from this region pronounces it pyu' al up. 

    Words and names are just that to me, though.  I do my best to pronounce things "correctly", but have found that sometimes I don't know the "correct" pronunciation, and sometimes, you just get corrected by the locals as to how it should be pronounced....  A street in my home town is "Verde" - most people would pronounce that ver day' (spanish for green), but (at least when I was a child) it was pronounced verd, and if you didn't pronounce it that way, then you were just odd.  Since there are far more Spanish speaking people in the area now then there were when I was a child, it could be that the locals now pronounce it differently - but maybe not....

    About the only word that I really get in a twist over is when people mis-pronounce "pronunciation"....  Laughing

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited March 2013

    Lindasa - you have a problem with "no problem" but I could never figure out how "de rien" made sense as a reply to "merci."  Isn't that sort of analogoust to "no problem?"   Of nothing, from nothing.....ok, it's nothing, though I never did understand the "de" part.

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited March 2013

    Speaking of drugs, I got the ok from my MO to go off Effexor today. I told DH that I wanted to wait for results of my latest, yesterday, bone and CT scans before I would ask. They both came back NED, yay! So I will start weaning myself off the Effexor tomorrow. 

    The lame stream  media irritates me in almost every way. All they care about is ratings. Even the correct pronunciation of words is deemed unimportant.

  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited March 2013

    As a native Buckeye, I can attest to further odd pronunciations:



    Lima, Ohio is LYE-ma, not LEE-ma, as in Peru. (yeah, yeah, I know, LYE-ma bean)



    Russia, Ohio is ROO-sha, not RUSH-a.



    And never, never, ever get me started on NOO-cue-ler. DAMMIT, if you can say NEW-clee-er, just say NEW-clear. Sounds almost right -- there is NO DAMN CUE IN NUCLEAR!!!



    Now that has crowded out all of the other strange Ohio pronunciations. Off to home I go.



    L

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited March 2013

    I lived in Missouri for 11 years and could never fathom why the natives and media pronounced it MissourA. I refused to follow suit and was probably looked at suspiciously as a result.

  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited March 2013

    Hah, Yorkie, my mom (another native Buckeye) always said Cincinnatuh. I used to ask her where the "uh" was.

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