I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange

Wabbit

Reince Priebus = RNC BS for short.  Wonder if they picked him because of that?

1Athena1

Well into my twenties I would pronounce the word "character" exactly as spelled.

Chickadee

3 years as a directory assistance operator in suburban Md taught me all sorts of pronounciations. Slow times we'd challenge each other to find the most difficult names.



I still get a kick out o Quatrochiochi. And did you know there are like seven ways to spell Schafer? Oh well enough for tonight.

Wabbit

What kind of accent do you have?  Go here to find out ... http://www.gotoquiz.com/what_american_accent_do_you_have

English is a very strange language when it comes to saying words.  We write them with one letter(s) and then either leave them out or use a completely different letter sound to speak it.  Are other languages guilty of this also?

lassie11

I can never figure out how to pronounce Reince Priebus - but then it's not a high need.

One time I was camping next to some European campers who asked about the town of Gananoque just to the east of Kingston.  They sure tangled their tongues on that one!

crazy4carrots

English is such a silly, difficult language -- an actual mishmash of several different languages.  Woe betide those of us who choose to pronounce an unfamiliar word exactly the way it's spelled!  My favourite, in elementary school, was "nonchalant" which I first encountered in a novel.  I decided it had to be pronounced nonCHALant.  Then I wondered if there was such a word as chalant.  Nope!

There is a town in Ontario called Kincardine (pronounced KinCARdin).  My Ohio uncle always called it KINKerdeen, and that pronunciation stuck, in our family!

ETA:  Just took Wabbit's test -- 96% the west, IOW, no accent at all!!!

GatorGal

I pronounced the word "chic" as chick until after i was married and my dh corrected me. Don't know how many people laughed at me behind me back. On that note, how do you pronounce "chic" jeans? Most people I know call them "chick" jeans. If I call them sheek jeans no one knows what I'm talking about.



Another word I mispronounced forever was subtle .... I pronounced it as spelled, sub tel. Also corrected by dh after marriage.



As a reading teacher in middle school I was often called upon to explain why words weren't pronounced the way they were spelled. We are a mix of so many different languages, how could it be any different? It's no wonder, though, that the kids have trouble!



I live close to Annapolis, MD. One of the main thoroughfares is Rowe Boulevlard. It is pronounced to rhyme with "ow". Out of towners pronounce it row (as in roe your boat). I lived in Baton Rouge LA for 4 years ... had a friend from Natchitoches ... I did have to learn how to say that one! Lots of strange words in that state!

GatorGal

Alexandria, your MIL made it in the time magazine ... with a picture even! Awesome!

juliaanna

Alexandria, There was an article in The Oregonian about your MIL.  Her legacy lives on from coast-to-coast.  

Momine

About pronouncing 'character' as spelled, I learned a lot of vocab from reading. Even now, I know all kinds of words that I have never heard anyone say. Sometimes I get the pronunciation wrong because of that (which makes dh laugh).

Enjoyful

Forte - "fort," not "for-tay"

In Baltimore, we say:

"Bawlmer" instead of "BAL-ti-more."

"Let's go downy ocean, hon!" instead of "Let's go down to the ocean!"

"Ain't the beer cold!" instead of "Hot damn!"

"Hollandtown" instead of "Highlandtown"

"Haerrrrrrrd Street" instead of "Howard Street"

"Ambahlance" for "ambulance"

"wooder" for "water"

The list goes on and on.  When I was about 5 years old, I decided I didn't want to have that accent so I carefully schooled myself on pronunciation.  Now, like Linda, I don't have an accent!  (But I can sure do a good imitation of a Bawlmer person, hon!)

bluedahlia

Quatrochiochi = 4 eyes

Enjoyful

Qua-TRO-chee-oh-chee?

bluedahlia

quatro-cho-khi

I used to know a guy in Italy who's last name was Fuchinelli which would pose a problem here!   hahahahahha!

bluedahlia

I am Nomad, I am perfect!  hahahahaha!  Guess what I'm watching?

Has anyone ever been an ash blonde.  Is it easy to maintain with grey roots?

RetiredLibby

Good morning! A cheerful article from the Atlantic today:



POLITICS April 2013

Has Obama Turned a Generation of Voters Into Lifelong Democrats?

The prospects for a new Democratic age

MOLLY BALL

Mar 20 2013, 9:50 PM ET



Paul Ryan had a vision for the youth vote in 2012. In his speech accepting the Republican vice-presidential nomination, the Wisconsin congressman imagined legions of recent college graduates forced to “live out their 20s in their childhood bedrooms, staring up at fading Obama posters and wondering when they can move out and get going with life.”



Ryan was sure those kids had recovered from their passing Obama fever and would either stay home or vote Republican. What happened, of course, was very different. The under-30 vote went nearly as strongly for Obama as it had before: Obama got 66 percent of the under-30 vote in 2008 and 60 percent in 2012, the best youth-vote showings for any presidential candidate since 1971, when the voting age was lowered to 18. Against the by-now-familiar backdrop of massive Obama rallies on college campuses, liberal youth might just seem like the normal order of things. But there’s nothing natural about it. Ronald Reagan came within a point of capturing the under‑30 vote in his 1980 presidential election, then won it by 19 points in 1984, giving the lie to the idea that kids are inherently liberal.



Now some Democrats hope Obama’s repeat success with young voters signals the arrival of a cohort whose members will vote Democratic for the rest of their lives. “These are voters who are in their formative years, politically,” Joel Benenson, the lead pollster for the Obama campaign, told me excitedly in the days after the election. “People frequently maintain the partisan identity that shapes their entry point into politics. What’s happening now is something people will hang on to for decades to come.”



Could Benenson be right? Has Obama turned an entire generation of voters into lifelong Democrats? The answer, according to political scientists who study partisanship, may well be yes. Voting for a party is a habit, they say, and the habit tends to stick. The Americans who came of age under FDR leaned more Democratic than the electorate as a whole for the rest of their voting lives. Many of today’s oldest voters—who broke for Mitt Romney by a wider margin than any other age group—cast their first, formative ballots in the Eisenhower years. And the Reagan era (spanning his 1980 election, his 1984 reelection, and the 1988 election of his vice president, George H. W. Bush) had a particularly marked effect on the rising voters of the 1980s. The Americans who entered the electorate during that time have remained disproportionately loyal to the GOP compared with voters overall.



Americans who entered the electorate during the Reagan era have remained disproportionately loyal to the GOP compared with voters overall.

In their 2002 book, Partisan Hearts and Minds, the political scientists Donald Green, Bradley Palmquist, and Eric Schickler argue that party loyalty is a tribe-like social identification. Despite parties’ shifting stances on issues, and despite changes in personal beliefs over time, voters tend to continue to affiliate with the same political party. (Think of the “yellow-dog Democrats” of the South, segregationist conservatives who, it was said, would vote for a yellow dog before they’d cast a ballot for a Republican. After national Democrats switched to championing civil rights in the 1960s, these voters did eventually begin to vote with the GOP—but it took decades for them to relabel themselves as Republicans.)



There’s even intriguing new evidence that the act of voting can itself strengthen party loyalty. In a not-yet-published paper, Elias Dinas, a scholar of U.S. politics at the University of Nottingham, compared first-time voters in the 1968 presidential election with people who were otherwise similar but who didn’t vote that year. Dinas found that Nixon voters were subsequently more Republican, and Humphrey voters more Democratic, than peers who hadn’t voted—an indication that casting a ballot makes a person more partisan.



To be sure, not every president bends the electorate toward his party. Pols like Nixon, Clinton, and Bush, who were hardly known for inspiring youth movements, left the electorate much the way they found it. But to Laura Stoker, a UC Berkeley political-science professor who studies partisanship, the fact that young Obama supporters have affirmed their allegiance in two consecutive presidential elections may herald a generation of Democratic-leaning voters that will skew the composition of the electorate far into the future. “The consistency of young people’s support for Obama in 2008 and 2012 suggests a pattern similar to the 1980s,” she told me. “They are going to be more Democratic than they would have otherwise been, because the character of the first votes cast produces or reinforces a Democratic leaning.”



In the aftermath of Obama’s reelection, Republican pollsters and prognosticators struggled to explain how they got the election so wrong. Many of their erroneous projections were predicated on an electorate comprising roughly equal numbers of Democrats and Republicans. They were shocked when more voters told exit pollsters that they identified as Democrats than Republicans, by a 6‑point margin—on par with 2008, which the GOP had considered an aberration. The numerous GOP strategists who explained Obama’s reelection by talking about his campaign’s “turnout” capability were making the same implicit assumption, Stoker points out. “After the election, instead of saying, ‘Oh no, there are more of them, we’re in trouble,’ they continued to believe there were the same number of people out there in each party, but [the Democrats] got theirs to vote,” she said. “I just don’t think it’s true. There is some sign that Democrats have become a clear plurality in the electorate versus Republicans, something that hasn’t been the case since 1980.”



There’s a saying that a young person who isn’t a liberal has no heart, and an old person who isn’t a conservative has no brain. Republicans may be tempted to take solace in the idea that young, liberal voters will sooner or later grow up, but they should resist that fantasy. Paul Ryan, it turns out, had it exactly backward: those Obama posters may fade, but partisan loyalties are durable.



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End article.



:-D

Better than coffee for lifting some spirits today!



Here is the URL if you want to go there:



http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/04/a-democratic-age/309258/



L

crazy4carrots

HL -- I don't think this is news to the GOP -- otherwise, why would so many Repub-governed states try to bring in restrictive voting laws?

The folks who first voted for Eisenhower clearly refuse/are unable to see how UNLIKE the GOP is today from that of the 50's.

IllinoisLady

HL....you are so right about getting the spirits lifted.  It does fuel a bit of discouragement when the other side seems deaf, dumb, and blind to what have been facts.  Biggest one being who won this time, months ago and you can spin it anyway you want, but they didn't get it then and they are ignoring it now.  If you want to change anything GOP, you will first have to face cold hard facts.  The inability to do so will keep you where you are....not an enviable place. 

Jackie

RetiredLibby

Yep, Linda - I agree with you that they are trying to destroy voting rights of minorities. But they remain completely delusional about believing that if they just explain themselves better, with better spokespeople, that voters (the white ones, anyway) will understand and come flocking back. They still believe that young people will grow into being Republicans just as soon as they understand how wonderful Rs are. Except people understand perfectly -- we got it, thanks -- and have soundly rejected them. They really don't understand that they have lost the best part of a generation. (What puzzles me are boomers who vote Republican -- I just don't get that.)



L

crazy4carrots

IllinoisLady

gardengumby

HL - we boomers tend to think that all the boomers were the same, but there were vast swaths of people in the sixties who were conservative.  They just didn't get the publicity that the young liberals got.

Chickadee

Oh IL you are such a Twinkie! Ha ha ha. Good one.

pip57

Watching the movie Argo, I discovered that we Canadians say Toronto without sounding the last 't'.

IllinoisLady

pip -- interesting.  How do you say Quebec????  Seems like some of my family prononced it in a way that sounded to me like Key-bec.  So...have wondered about that in several of the conversatons here.

Jackie

gardengumby

From the Pacific NW here - I grew up pronouncing it qwe-bek, then my Canadian friend told me it should be pronounced ke-bek, so have said it that way since - but she was from British Columbia, not Quebec.... 

crazy4carrots

Quebec....hmmmmm.  When I was a young'un, we English speakers used to say "Kwebeck".   Now it's "Kaybeck" but short on the Kay part.  Ever since Canada became officially bilingual in the early 70's, I think we've paid greater attention to our pronunciation of French words.  However, the silly thing is that most of us learn what we term "Parisian French" in school, and the Quebec accent, as well as several words, phrases and colloquialisms, are quite different!  But "niche" is "neesh" in both LOL.

Pip -- I note that many of us do indeed leave out the second t in Toronto, except when on holiday in foreign parts.  Then we tend to say To-ron-to just to make sure!

pip57

It is interesting how much you have to think about these words when you are asked how you pronounce them.  I think Linda is correct...most say Kaybeck.  Some say Cuebeck.  I think that drives them crazy though.

RetiredLibby

And another funny about Quebec - in the law enforcement alphabet (alpha, bravo, charlie, delta, etc), they use Quebec for "Q," but they pronounce it Kwe-bek, not Keh-bek like in proper French. DH always rolls his eyes when I practice the law enforcement alphabet and "mispronounce" Quebec!

Momine

Blue, my natural color used to be ash blonde, post-chemo it is dark ash with grey mixed in. It does seem to blend well with grey. it is a funny color, because it looks blonde to most people, but it really isn't.