I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange

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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2013

    Alexandria - you'd LOVE VT.  Esp. with a "plan" to avoid most of the winter.  I LOVE living in NE - for me, having the full 4 seasons makes for a much more interesting year.  Would like a longer Spring - but the hilltowns of western MA have a short growing season, probably much as yours in VT.  Still, I just LOVE LOVE LOVE it.  Have lived in many differenet places, and this is really HOME, feels so right.  Such a GOOD feeling.  Expect age is a factor, but that's fine too. 

    Jackie - your snow is on its way to us.  Mostly the eastern part of NE, we're only supposed to get a dusting, 3 inches?  The winds have started this am - fabulous to watch the very, very dry powdery snow blow across the hills, in the distance, it looks like a white sand storm - sadly several farmers have lost their greenhouses, caved in from winds, accumulation of snow. So mine is a very selfish appreciation of the BEAUTY of it all.  Acres of fields outside my windows, and the snow reminds me of waves on an ocean too...as it's supposed to be in the 40's b4 the next snow on Sunday, it should be a few interesting days.  Can anyone spell ice Laughing

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited February 2013

    Hmmm, saw references to this last night.  Why I distrust Breitbart's 'find's so much.  The only people believing this stuff are those who NEED to believe it. 

    “Friends of Hamas” and Andrew Breitbart’s Legacy





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    The philosopher Karl Popper once said, “Every genuine test of a theory is an  attempt to falsify it, or to refute it.” He was talking about science and  philosophy, but he could have been talking about journalism, too. At its best,  reporting is like science: you form a hypothesis, and you try to prove it. But  as importantly—more importantly—you shoot it full of holes to see if any of the  wounds are fatal. This, unfortunately, is a lesson that a certain part of the  conservative media doesn’t seem to have learned yet.

    The most recent example of this issue, of course, is the suddenly infamous “Friends of Hamas” story. About two weeks ago, Breitbart News editor-at-large  Ben Shapiro reported:

    On Thursday, Senate sources told Breitbart News exclusively that  they have been informed that one of the reasons that President Barack Obama’s  nominee for Secretary of Defense, Chuck Hagel, has not turned over requested  documents on his sources of foreign funding is that one of the names listed is a  group purportedly called “Friends of Hamas.”

    There was, it turns out, a problem with the story: Friends of Hamas does not  exist, and never has. Slate’s Dave Weigel did  the work to prove this last week, and on Wednesday, the New York Daily  News’ Dan Friedman followed  up, disclosing that he was, by way of a jokey hypothetical apparently  filtered through Capitol Hill’s version of the telephone game, the source for  the idea that Friends of Hamas existed and that it might in some way be  connected to Chuck Hagel.

    It may have taken a couple weeks and the work of a couple good reporters for  Friends of Hamas’s non-existence and Shapiro’s grievous mistake to be  definitively proven, but the flaw in Shapiro’s post was evident as soon as it  was published, and should have been clear to him even before that. The day that  Shapiro’s story first came out, I searched  both Google and Lexis-Nexis to find information about Friends of Hamas; the only  records of its existence I was able to find were Shapiro’s post and links to it.  That wasn’t definitive proof that the group didn’t exist, but it was a strong  indicator, and anyone else who took the five or ten minutes necessary to conduct  those searches would have seen the same thing. Yet Shapiro and Breitbart.com  went ahead with the report anyway, and a significant number of outlets on the  right, from radio shows and blogs to the National Review, picked up the  news and ran with it based on nothing more.

    Now, Shapiro and Breitbart.com are refusingto  admit that Shapiro made a serious mistake, and attackinganyone who suggestsotherwise.  This kind of behavior from them is unsurprising, and not just because it’s an  outgrowth of the worldview and strategy of their founder, Andrew Breitbart. (For  more on Breitbart, who died last year, see Rebecca  Mead’s Profile of him from 2010.) To be embarrassed about the story, they’d  have to understand that the hypothesis of Shapiro’s story was “Chuck Hagel may  have been the recipient of funding from a group called Friends of Hamas,” and  they’d have to care about proving it true. Their version of the hypothesis is  much simpler, and more vicious: “Someone told us that Chuck Hagel may have been  the recipient of funding from a group called Friends of Hamas.” This has the  virtue, from a certain perspective, of being completely unfalsifiable—as soon as  the source gave them the tip, the story was true by definition and in  perpetuity, no matter what.

    There is no reporter who is incapable of error, no established media outlet  without a black mark or twenty on its record. But those are generally mistakes  or aberrations; this is the Breitbart.com way of doing business. Where  journalists are researchers, they see themselves as warriors, picking up  Breitbart’s hashtagged  mantle #WAR. With that mindset, the kind of rigor they demand from the  mainstream media becomes a hindrance.

    It’s not often that one sees the kind of blatant disregard for the truth  involved in the Friends of Hamas story. Still, even as the right has made more  of an effort to establish its own journalistic endeavors, conservative media  outlets, in practice, are still failing all too often to properly vet their  stories. Never has this been more evident than during the Hagel confirmation  fight. Obviously, there’s something to be said for tenaciousness, especially  when it comes to checking into someone who is slated to become one of the most  important people in the American government. But there’s a difference between  dogged reporting and reporting that pretends even the most meager evidence—loose  paraphrases, faded memories, suggestions—is definitive proof. Nor has this been  limited to Hagel.

    Late last year, the Weekly Standards Daniel Halper (who has  been one of Hagel’s most insistentpursuers  lately) wrote a blog post about questions that NBC anchor David Gregory had  posed to the N.R.A.’s Wayne LaPierre’s about the latter’s proposal to put armed  guards in schools. Halper reported:

    But when it comes to Gregory’s own kids, however, they are secured  every school day by armed guards.

    The Gregory children go to school with the children of President Barack  Obama, according to the Washington  Post. That school is the co-ed Quaker school Sidwell Friends.

    According to a scan of the school’s online faculty-staff directory, Sidwell  has a security department made up of at least 11 people. Many of those are  police officers, who are presumably armed.

    Moreover, with the Obama kids in attendance, there is a secret service  presence at the institution, as well.

    (This report later worked its way into an N.R.A.  ad about President Obama’s children.)

    It’s true, of course, that there is a Secret Service detail protecting the  Obama children, even when they’re at school. But the bits about Gregory’s kids  being “secured every school day by armed guards,” and about Sidwell’s security  department and members of it being armed? Well, that’s just not true, as the Posts Glenn Kessler documented.  Moreover, Halper had every reason to be wary, and to do some careful reporting  before publishing his story—Sidwell is, as he noted, a Quaker school, and  Quakers are well known for pacifism. (Richard Nixon excepted.) Again, as in  Shapiro’s case, that fact alone isn’t proof that Sidwell security wouldn’t carry  guns, but it should have been obvious to Halper that it was at least a  potentially serious flaw in his hypothesis. He went ahead with his story anyway;  as of now, it remains, despite Kessler’s report, without any sort of update or  correction. (Halper didn’t respond to an e-mail requesting comment.)

    At some point, if they want to be taken more seriously, members of the  conservative media will have to take their own  declarations about the commitment  to journalism more seriously. More importantly, they’ll have to realize that  reporting isn’t just the means to a desired political end; done right, it’s the  end in itself, no matter what it digs up.

    Photograph by Alex Wong/Getty.


      I'll probably end up with the crazy marks......but.

     

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  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited February 2013
  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited February 2013

    Blue...love thos pictures.  Yep !!  Snow/w ice storm due this afternoon.  Yikes.  Well, I'm going to work anyway and hope for the best.  Dh says if it is really bad he'll drive into town and de-ice my car and warm it up for the drive home.  If need be will go pick up sil from work.  I'm thinking it is just not going to be that bad here but with the "global weather" we get we have started not to fully depend on what the weather-people say.  Even they said....our time lines on this could be off quite a bit so don't take it fully to heart.

    Furnace man due tomorrow.  Been a long week without heat ( have two good I-heaters going ) and hope  that today's storm doesn't clog up the works for tomorrow.  Dh it putting a big tarp over the furnace ( commercial outdoor unit next to the house ) so that should be fine if he can come out and do the work.  Fingers crossed.

    Jackie

  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited February 2013

    Blue...brilliant video!  

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited February 2013

    Another SHOULD BE REQUIRED  until it's completely understood, Blue.

    Jackie

  • Belinda44
    Belinda44 Member Posts: 718
    edited February 2013


    Blue, that addictinginfo link.....wow, what a disgusting story!

    Jackie,  I was reading an article this morning about that exact same story you posted.  It gives a great explanation of exactly how that bogus information ended up on that breitbart site.  Here's the article:

    "The Conservative Media Needs to Police Itself for Its Own Sake"

    ".........In fact, insufficient self-criticism undermines the credibility of the conservative media, deprives it of the feedback needed for constant improvement, and leaves shoddy information unchallenged.

    Breitbart.com is an instructive example.

    Over the years, I've objected to many examples of shoddy journalism published there. The site's editors have had ample opportunity to institute better methods for vetting what they publish, or to more forthrightly acknowledge their mistakes after the fact. Ample warning has been given to the rest of conservative media that their coverage shouldn't be presumed correct......."

    Click on the link for the full article and in particular, the first two "blue boxes" tell how the lies about Hagel appeared on the breitbart site:

    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/02/the-conservative-media-needs-to-police-itself-for-its-own-sake/273361/

    The article concludes:

    "......The conservative tribe is rife with critics of "the mainstream media," but when it comes to right-leaning media, the tribe encompasses no journalism review, no navel-gazing professional discussion boards, no elder statesmen academics, no upstart new media theorists, no Pulitzer Prizes or National Magazine Awards, and no ethics text books. It is apart from and critical of those mechanisms, sometimes with reason; it disdains "MSM" norms; yet it legitimizes no alternative methods of accountability. Only loyalty is vocally enforced."

  • gardengumby
    gardengumby Member Posts: 7,305
    edited February 2013

    Blue, loved the video!!

  • Belinda44
    Belinda44 Member Posts: 718
    edited February 2013
  • Belinda44
    Belinda44 Member Posts: 718
    edited February 2013

    "The GOP's Two-Front Losing Strategy"

    "....President Obama starts his second term with a clear upper hand over GOP leaders on issues from guns to immigration that are likely to dominate the year, a USA TODAY/Pew Research Center Poll finds. On the legislation rated most urgent — cutting the budget deficit — even a majority of Republican voters endorse Obama's approach of seeking tax hikes as well as spending cuts.

    The survey underscores the quandary for the GOP as it debates the party's message in the wake of disappointing losses last November for the White House and in the Senate.

    Now just 22% of Americans, nearly a record low, consider themselves Republicans."

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/02/21/the-gop-s-won-t-win-with-this-2-front-strategy.html

  • Belinda44
    Belinda44 Member Posts: 718
    edited February 2013
  • gardengumby
    gardengumby Member Posts: 7,305
    edited February 2013

    Belinda - I LOVE that quotation!!!

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited February 2013

    Belinda, I too think it makes the perfect point.  The article you referenced was spot on as well.  Sad that the GOP is so divided it CAN'T even attempt to heal its own fracture.  I still don't agree across the boards ( who would )  about all the current issues, but when the dust settles imo you are still going to be looking at that fracture line and all the name calling and blame assigning still won't be doing a thing for it.

    Jackie

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited February 2013

    More scary stuff as reported by Addicting Info -- Oklahoma students  allowed to debunk scientific facts.  The mind boggles!  The U.S. has won more Nobel prizes than any other nation.  Well, if this crap keeps getting passed, no more NobelsCry.

    http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/02/19/oklahoma-bill-would-allow-students-to-debunk-science/

  • River_Rat
    River_Rat Member Posts: 1,724
    edited February 2013

    Hello, I just read the most fascinating piece and wanted to share it here. It goes over some of the deficiencies in Obamacare  details problems with the healthcare system now and under Obamacare. It also has quite a bit to say about Medicare. Those from another thread might appreciate this piece too:

    http://healthland.time.com/2013/02/20/bitter-pill-why-medical-bills-are-killing-us/

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited February 2013

    Some flat earthers are too hillbilly to understand fine art or fashion. Lights are on, nobody home, as usual.

    RR - first, welcome - you haven't posted in ages, it seems. That article looks interesting. Only read the first two pages. The truth is, Obamacare will not fundamentally change the inequities and inefficiencies in our system. Millions will remain uninsured.

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited February 2013

    RR...I read the first page of this article and there are many more I will read when i figure out how to increase the size of the print.  I looked for the date of which the gentleman mentioned, was admitted and could not find it.  So am wondering if he HAD an Obama care plan when he did. 

    Also, though I could have heard wrong ( and knowing some time is needed ) I had some impression that exorbitant costs, especially for the more routine items, would be weeded out over time. 

    No matter on the one hand, as that certainly should take place no matter what kind of Insurance is the paying entity.  I hope there is more to come later when I read it.....but this has been a problem long before Obamacare.  I think I mentioned when I worked in a medical office and was quite bluntly instructed that I was to pad the bills up.......with hopefully the end result that the Dr. would come closer to getting what he wanted out of it. 

    These were and I'm sure have been along with much I am not directly aware of ( like pharmaceutical companies charging more  to their clients etc. ) been a huge part of the reason for the low man on the pole getting the bills that they do. 

    Just a few thoughts until I can read the whole article.

    Jackie

  • River_Rat
    River_Rat Member Posts: 1,724
    edited February 2013

    Athena, I've been busy catching up with life since being sick. (The flu was followed up by bronchitis but I'm fine now). Edited to add that there's no accounting for the total lack of style and/or appreciation of art/design.

    Jackie, on my computer (which is a Mac) if I press the command key and the + key at the same time it increases the font size. I think on a PC you can press the control and + keys at the same time. The command/control and - key reverses the process.

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited February 2013

    Glad you are feeling better.

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited February 2013

    Truly interesting article, RR.

    This quote is telling:

    Jonathan Blum
    ‘When hospitals say they are losing money on Medicare, my reaction is that Central Florida is overflowing with Medicare patients and all those hospitals are expanding and advertising for Medicare patients,’ says Blum, deputy administrator of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services. ‘Hospitals don’t lose money when they serve Medicare patients.’

    Read more: http://healthland.time.com/2013/02/20/bitter-pill-why-medical-bills-are-killing-us/#ixzz2LZUbnv2o

  • River_Rat
    River_Rat Member Posts: 1,724
    edited February 2013

    Athena, I did an edit that you may have missed. Also wanted to add that I enjoyed the looks you posted (could have worn many of them when I was younger, but I'm afraid I'd look silly now).

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited February 2013

    Agreed with your edit, RR. :-)

    I will be reading more of the article qhen I get home.

  • gardengumby
    gardengumby Member Posts: 7,305
    edited February 2013

    River Rat - thanks for the article.  I read the first page and wasn't surprised by anything I read - dismayed, of course, but not surprised.  I cannot TELL you how sick I get of hearing how the US has the best medical system in the world.  It's not.

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited February 2013

    Something to enjoy:

  • Belinda44
    Belinda44 Member Posts: 718
    edited February 2013

    Cute photo, Jackie.

    RR, will definitely check out that article.

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited March 2013

    So, speaking of fashion....the season went by in London and it's now Milan's turn for the Fall/Winter 2013/2014 clothes.

    Gucci makes amazing leather and always has. The founder, Guccio Gucci, got his start in the business by opening a leather goods store in the 20s. The current creative director, Frida Giannini, first made her mark at the house with accessories. Of the three great female Italian designers (Donatella Versace and Miuccia Prada are the others), she is the designer I am most likely to wear (Versace's women have to be too perfect and tall and Prada has no soul - IMO). My sister is a huge fan and patron of the accessories. I tend to avoid them because they are too recognizable and feel showy.

    In still pictures, this show was neither here nor there and the looks feel boxy and stale. However, in motion the sensuality comes out and they are much more appealing:

    If you are a PETA member, you don't want to know what Gucci uses. Gucci and Fendi are ome of the worst offenders when it comes to animal materials. This collection uses a lot of astrakhan (a newborn lamb's skin) - but the effect in this collection was bulky to me:

    You can't argue with Giannini's taste, though. She can make even pastiche-y things look good. Not a look I would wear, but interesting:

    Giannini is not the most exciting nor epoch-making of designers, but she has done well for the brand and her collections have an independent, if muted streak, IMO. I see the Gucci woman as conservative but feminine - very Milano - very northern Italian - buttoned up.

    Here are some of last year's Fall/Winter looks where you get that sense. This look is about as typical Gucci as it gets:

    There is a dark but fetching sensuality (for the above looks Giannini said she was inspired by 19th century decadence).

    From the year before (FW '11) came a show inspired by the 70's, specifically Angelica Houston:

    Gucci Fall 2011 Ready-to-Wear

  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited February 2013

    Wowsa!!! Just had to comment!

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited February 2013

    Athena, my grandma carried the same Gucci purse for most of her life. When it wore out, she got a new one exactly like the old one. That was before Gucci was showy and was just a good, Italian leather goods brand.

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited February 2013

    Came across a good definition:

  • River_Rat
    River_Rat Member Posts: 1,724
    edited February 2013

    I absolutely love that first look - very wearable too, although I'd have to wear my Christmas decorations now. (sorry, inside joke for those who follow the flat chested women thread)

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