I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange

I was "involved" with a faithful mormon once....a relatively high placed one (churchwise).  He's also closely related to a famous mormon politician, to remain unnamed.  It's a tight group, to say the least.  It's not just a religion.  It is a social structure that controls almost every day of one's life.  I can't even imagine having one as POTUS and that POTUS being independent of the church hierarchy in SLC.  The methods of control over the members are institutionalized.  Atleast my friend could laugh at some of their stuff, but still, he had total faith in the religion, though I believe they set him up to be brainwashed at a young and impressionable age (his parents had drifted from the church).  Personally, I think Joseph Smith was a con man.

Just read your post Athena....Did he really say THAT about the Palestinians?  They want their land Mitt.  Argh.

I am endlessly interested in the use of the word "entitlement". We don't seem to have entitlements in Canada. We have a social safety net. We have benefits. But we don't have entitlements. Of course there are some people who complain about those who are on welfare and try to make their lives even more miserable.  I think the semantics are important.

No one who hopes to be elected or reelected would dare to suggest universal health care should go. Having said that, it's important to recognize that our current Prime Minister has some back door methods (like omnibus budget bills during a majority) to inch us closer to that right wing kind of thinking.

If I had to choose the single most offensive idea expressed by Romney in that video (and there are too many to count), it is that he said that 47 percent think they are entitled to food. He obviously considers food a privilege. Even Marie Antoinette agreed that the "peasantry" should have something.

What specific idea or phrase did you each find most offensive?

The most egregious thing in that video is Romney's assergion that those 47% actually think they are entitled to food! FOOD??? Well, the NERVE of some people! Just let those kids and seniors starve rather than survive on the government's dime!

His spokespeople are trying to now say the 47% are those that are with Obama and leaving out the part "who are dependent.....who are victims....who believe they are entitled to.....my job is not to worry about them...."

Romney essentially said 1/2 the country are moochers.  This is very different from saying 1/2 the country aren't voting for me.  He claims he spoke unelegantly (you're right there Romney) and "off the cuff."  This is another way of saying, this is what I really feel and I didn't put it in code so my wealthy base understands.

I am reminded of the guy in the audience at one of the R debates who said..."Let Him Die!" to the hypothetical of a young man dying, but had not health insurance.  They really do believe this and this goes hand in hand with the belief that some people aren't entitled to food or healthcare.

How is this pro-life? 

As Michelle Obama said at the Democratic Convention   'Being President Doesn't Change Who You Are – It Reveals Who You Are.'  I think we are lucky to have cameras these days so these beliefs can be revealed before the damage is done.  We got rid of the bigot George Allen from VA and now we will prevent this plutocrat from getting the office of POTUS.

Linda, very good points.  Somehow entitlements has come to have a negative connation in the U.S. 

Another opinion piece that covers additional ground (lots of interesting information - David Frum, if somebody's already posted this I apologize):

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/09/18/here-s-why-mitt-s-100-wrong-on-the-47.html

Yikes, stay safe Bren and let us know what happens.

There are probably 3 million hi-tech jobs available, because........even the very intelligent who are not blessed with parent's who can afford to send them to college, and who the Romney's of the world would like to take away their financial aid, cannot get that hi-tech job, because they can't get the"college education" which affords them to be able to get the degree that says "hey kid, you qualify for that hi-tech job......................if your poor you will get the assistance.....................if your rich you don't need the assistance..............if your "middle class".................your "shit out of luck".....................

Bren stay safe.  If you're under a tornado warning go to the darned, dreaded basement.  If it's just a watch just pay attention so if the situation changes.  I will now try to turn off my "mommy" switch.

Bren,

Here is a link on how to prepare for a tornado. http://emergency.cdc.gov/disasters/tornadoes/prepared.asp

Here is the main page of the site. http://emergency.cdc.gov/disasters/tornadoes/

Listen for the Doppler radar siren and when you hear it, get to the basement.

We don't have a basement or storm cellar so we just move into the bathroom.  I think tornadoes are scarrier than earthquakes.  Of course, I was raised in earthquake country. 

Bren ... hope your weather has blown over and you were able to avoid the dreaded basement!  Check in please.

'You people' 'those people' ... I do believe they think we are all little bugs that somehow got in their playground.  Useful only to be used for cheap labor and then pitched to the side of the road when they are done with us.   

I thought he meant the 47% the current polls show will vote for Obama were all worthless.  Guess he meant the 47% he thinks don't pay any taxes.  Wonder if any of those rich donors in the room had enough loopholes and offshoring of their money, etc. to be in that 47% not paying taxes?  And does he not comprehend that the category is fluid?  People lose a job or have lots of medical expenses and have a 'don't pay' year after many years of paying and then go right back to paying again later.  It's not the same people every year. 

But we all know who he wants his base to think he's going to ignore.  Going to be some rude awakenings if they ever realize it's them too. 

Excerpts from the court's decision:

"We find that the disconnect between what the law prescribes and how it is being implemented has created a number of conceptual difficulties in addressing the legal issues raised," the high court wrote in its decision today.

The justices asked the lower court, which had found the measure permissible, to submit a supplemental opinion on the question of ID availability by Oct. 2. Two dissenting justices said it was too close to the general election to consider the merits of the law and that the lower-court's decision should be reversed.

More: http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-09-18/pennsylvania-supreme-court-blocks-voter-id-law

It basically means they are saying they withhold judgement pending further investigation into the law's applicability, viability, etc. by a lower court. It doesn't judge for or against one side, but it sets aside the lower court judgement upholding it. Not certain what it means for things on the ground.

Are you more (or less) conservative that Mitt Romney, from the Christian Science Monitor.  Take the Test.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Elections/President/2012/0706/Are-you-more-or-less-conservative-than-Mitt-Romney-Take-our-quiz/How-do-you-view-health-care-reform-in-this-country

I was told that I left of the President, which is true. And let GG said, I already knew that.