The Respectfully Republican Conversation

Daffodil wrote:

(at least the GYN's nurse was stunned when she saw my age!)

I'm jealous! 

Daffodil, I don't know how old you are, but hope you're not in your 70s.  I just came from over <--------------------------------------------- and I shouldn't have been there.  It's late...2:47 AM..or is it early?

I was saddened to see the remarks...ugly remarks.  This is supposed to be funny?  Women think this is funny?  I don't care if you HATE Palin, this is not funny!  I heard about this porn movie on Fox and I didn't think it was one bit funny.  Larry Flint the great movie maker.  After hearing about this movie I didn't go looking for it.  It made me sick to even think about it.  I did not lower myself and make any comments over <-------------------------------------.  I am really saddened by these women.  Shall we talk about the "work" that Biden's had done on his face and his transplanted hair?  I don't think so.  Shall we talk about how old Biden is getting?  I don't think so.  We can talk about the inexperienced man, Obama, that may end up to be our president.  Palin is not running for president.  I think I need to never go back over <--------------------------- and read.  And, I think my skin has thinned and I need to grow back the thick skin. 

Also, there's some kind of movie or documentary (will have to look further into it) about McCain that was supposed to come out before the election.  They postponed it until after the election.  I wonder why?  Because it was a postivie image of this "old" man.

http://www.bittenandbound.com/2008/10/07/nailin-paylin-hustlers-sarah-palin-spoof/

Nailin Paylin:  Hustler's Sarah Palin Spoof

Leave it to Hustler to get more tongues wagging about sex and politics since...well... Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky.

Nailin' Paylin, Hustler's Sarah Palin porn flick stars Lisa Ann in the title role.  The film, which is currently in pre-production, is being fast tracked  for a pre-election release.

Hustler says the film will feature five hard-core scenes, including a three way with other parodied political figures - namely Hillary Clinton and Condoleezza Rice.  Bill O'Reilly will also be spoofed as the announcer who dishes the sex scandals that will take place during the film.

From Hustler:

 Nailin' Paylin will take the viewer on a naughty adventure to the wild side of that sexy Alaska governor.  Sara Paylin will not only be showing us some girl-on-girl lovin' but will also be nailing the Russians, who come knocking on her back-door (wink, wink) and in a flashback "young" Paylin's creationist college professor will explain a "big bang" theory even she can't deny!

SICK! SICK! SICK!

Shirley

SORRY, DAD, I'M VOTING FOR OBAMA
by Christopher Buckley

The son of William F. Buckley has decided—shock!—to vote for a Democrat.
October 14, 2008

Let me be the latest conservative/libertarian/whatever to leap onto the Barack Obama bandwagon. It’s a good thing my dear old mum and pup are no longer alive. They’d cut off my allowance.

Or would they? But let’s get that part out of the way. The only reason my vote would be of any interest to anyone is that my last name happens to be Buckley—a name I inherited. So in the event anyone notices or cares, the headline will be: “William F. Buckley’s Son Says He Is Pro-Obama.” I know, I know: It lacks the throw-weight of “Ron Reagan Jr. to Address Democratic Convention,” but it’ll have to do.

Dear Pup once said to me, “You know, I’ve spent my entire life time separating the Right from the kooks.”

I am—drum roll, please, cue trumpets—making this announcement in the cyberpages of The Daily Beast (what joy to be writing for a publication so named!) rather than in the pages of National Review, where I write the back-page column. For a reason: My colleague, the superb and very dishy Kathleen Parker, recently wrote in National Review Online a column stating what John Cleese as Basil Fawlty would call “the bleeding obvious”: namely, that Sarah Palin is an embarrassment, and a dangerous one at that. She’s not exactly alone. New York Times columnist David Brooks, who began his career at NR, just called Governor Palin “a cancer on the Republican Party.”

As for Kathleen, she has to date received 12,000 (quite literally) foam-at-the-mouth hate-emails. One correspondent, if that’s quite the right word, suggested that Kathleen’s mother should have aborted her and tossed the fetus into a Dumpster. There’s Socratic dialogue for you. Dear Pup once said to me sighfully after a right-winger who fancied himself a WFB protégé had said something transcendently and provocatively cretinous, “You know, I’ve spent my entire life time separating the Right from the kooks.” Well, the dear man did his best. At any rate, I don’t have the kidney at the moment for 12,000 emails saying how good it is he’s no longer alive to see his Judas of a son endorse for the presidency a covert Muslim who pals around with the Weather Underground. So, you’re reading it here first.

As to the particulars, assuming anyone gives a fig, here goes:
I have known John McCain personally since 1982. I wrote a well-received speech for him. Earlier this year, I wrote in The New York Times—I’m beginning to sound like Paul Krugman, who cannot begin a column without saying, “As I warned the world in my last column...”—a highly favorable Op-Ed about McCain, taking Rush Limbaugh and the others in the Right Wing Sanhedrin to task for going after McCain for being insufficiently conservative. I don’t—still—doubt that McCain’s instincts remain fundamentally conservative. But the problem is otherwise.

McCain rose to power on his personality and biography. He was authentic. He spoke truth to power. He told the media they were “jerks” (a sure sign of authenticity, to say nothing of good taste; we are jerks). He was real. He was unconventional. He embraced former anti-war leaders. He brought resolution to the awful missing-POW business. He brought about normalization with Vietnam—his former torturers! Yes, he erred in accepting plane rides and vacations from Charles Keating, but then, having been cleared on technicalities, groveled in apology before the nation. He told me across a lunch table, “The Keating business was much worse than my five and a half years in Hanoi, because I at least walked away from that with my honor.” Your heart went out to the guy. I thought at the time, God, this guy should be president someday.

A year ago, when everyone, including the man I’m about to endorse, was caterwauling to get out of Iraq on the next available flight, John McCain, practically alone, said no, no—bad move. Surge. It seemed a suicidal position to take, an act of political bravery of the kind you don’t see a whole lot of anymore.

But that was—sigh—then. John McCain has changed. He said, famously, apropos the Republican debacle post-1994, “We came to Washington to change it, and Washington changed us.” This campaign has changed John McCain. It has made him inauthentic. A once-first class temperament has become irascible and snarly; his positions change, and lack coherence; he makes unrealistic promises, such as balancing the federal budget “by the end of my first term.” Who, really, believes that? Then there was the self-dramatizing and feckless suspension of his campaign over the financial crisis. His ninth-inning attack ads are mean-spirited and pointless. And finally, not to belabor it, there was the Palin nomination. What on earth can he have been thinking?

All this is genuinely saddening, and for the country is perhaps even tragic, for America ought, really, to be governed by men like John McCain—who have spent their entire lives in its service, even willing to give the last full measure of their devotion to it. If he goes out losing ugly, it will be beyond tragic, graffiti on a marble bust.

As for Senator Obama: He has exhibited throughout a “first-class temperament,” pace Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.’s famous comment about FDR. As for his intellect, well, he’s a Harvard man, though that’s sure as heck no guarantee of anything, these days. Vietnam was brought to you by Harvard and (one or two) Yale men. As for our current adventure in Mesopotamia, consider this lustrous alumni roster. Bush 43: Yale. Rumsfeld: Princeton. Paul Bremer: Yale and Harvard. What do they all have in common? Andover! The best and the brightest.

I’ve read Obama’s books, and they are first-rate. He is that rara avis, the politician who writes his own books. Imagine. He is also a lefty. I am not. I am a small-government conservative who clings tenaciously and old-fashionedly to the idea that one ought to have balanced budgets. On abortion, gay marriage, et al, I’m libertarian. I believe with my sage and epigrammatic friend P.J. O’Rourke that a government big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take it all away.

But having a first-class temperament and a first-class intellect, President Obama will (I pray, secularly) surely understand that traditional left-politics aren’t going to get us out of this pit we’ve dug for ourselves. If he raises taxes and throws up tariff walls and opens the coffers of the DNC to bribe-money from the special interest groups against whom he has (somewhat disingenuously) railed during the campaign trail, then he will almost certainly reap a whirlwind that will make Katrina look like a balmy summer zephyr.

Obama has in him—I think, despite his sometimes airy-fairy “We are the people we have been waiting for” silly rhetoric—the potential to be a good, perhaps even great leader. He is, it seems clear enough, what the historical moment seems to be calling for.

So, I wish him all the best. We are all in this together. Necessity is the mother of bipartisanship. And so, for the first time in my life, I’ll be pulling the Democratic lever in November. As the saying goes, God save the United States of America.

Bessie, Of course your correct.  That's why everyone who wants to really talk about issues usually come over here.  Drive-by posting, nah, then they run away, nah.  Stay and talk.  It's only politics and it's suppose to be fun to discuss, though we can't see eye to eye, my theory is, they<-------------------aren't listening.  Very simple.

I'm a little hyped up about McCain's performance last night at the debate.  He hit on all the key issues.  Now we wait and see, people are either going to vote to increase their own taxes, possible put their own job in jeopardy, or go with the older guy who has a gatrillion years of experience and will not rock this fragile economy any further.

 This might prove to be a good strategy, accuse voters of being racist, and they'll all run out to vote for Obama to prove they aren't.  People are smarter then that though.   Race doesn't seem to come up unless it's out of the mouth of a democrat, even Obama pushed it.   

WASHINGTON - Democratic Rep. John Murtha said Wednesday his home base of western Pennsylvania is racist and that could reduce Barack Obama's victory margin in the state by 4 percentage points.The 17-term Democratic congressman told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette in a story posted Wednesday on its Web site: "There is no question that western Pennsylvania is a racist area."

Murtha said it has taken time for many Pennsylvania voters to come around to embracing a black presidential candidate, but that Obama should still win the state, though not in a runaway.

In a separate interview posted Wednesday on the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review's Web site, Murtha said Obama has a problem with voters' racial attitudes in western Pennsylvania that could trim his winning margin on Nov. 4.

The working-class region is a key battleground in Pennsylvania. The area is struggling economically, and has a high percentage of veterans and elderly voters. Murtha's district outside Pittsburgh encompasses Johnstown and many small towns once dominated by steel and coal.

In a statement issued later Wednesday, Murtha spokesman Matt Mazonkey told The Associated Press: "It's naive to think that race or gender doesn't play a role in a voter's perception of a candidate. Mr. Murtha makes the point that while race may be an issue for some, it's evident that voters today are concerned about the issues that truly matter - issues like the economy, health care, and energy independence."

Murtha, who backed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton in the state's April primary, told the Post-Gazette that the older population has been "more hesitant" to support Obama. But in the past three months, he said groups he deals with regularly, such as veterans and senior citizens, have decided to back Obama.

Murtha said Republican John McCain has been stymied by the economy and the attacks on Obama's character.

"I think Obama is going to win, but I don't think it's going to be a runaway," Murtha said.

He told the Tribune-Review, however, that he sees no enthusiasm for either candidate in his district.

"The public is confused, they're despondent, they're unhappy. They want to see a change and I think the change is whatever the individual might believe it is," he said.

The most recent Quinnipiac University poll showed Obama with a double-digit lead after surveys a few weeks ago indicated the race was close. Quinnipiac pollster Clay Richards has said growing support among working-class voters in the state were behind the change.

In February, Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell - another Clinton backer - told the Post-Gazette's editorial board that some whites in the state were likely to vote against Obama in the primary because of his race. Clinton easily won that contest.

Anneshirley, I also thought what you thought.  If one can leave their money in their 401K at the age of 70 I certainly wouldn't think they needed it.  My father-in-law didn't have a 401K.  He lived off his government retirement, SS, had a great health care plan, and didn't touch his savings.  He was from the depression.  That little nest egg was there to take care of them if either of them became disabled.  I've heard my mil and fil talk about how they could stay home instead of going into a nursing home.  They didn't have much, but it was their security blanket.  They didn't lack for anything, but they certainly didn't go wild with their money.  Sadly, my mil died unexpectedly, and my fil ended up having to go into an assistant living/nursing home facility where he died. 

Another thing, I believe one has to start taking some of that 401K at 70 1/2 and McCain and possible Obama (can't remember) proposed that they shouldn't have to do that right now with the stock market so far down.  Their 401Ks have dwindled badly.  I think that's fair.

Shirley

Daffodil,   Hope your having a stress free day so you can keep the wrinkles away.

Shirley

I lived there it is a sad state they live in there but it is for real

Shirley what is sadder is my brothers are raising their children this way.  My oldest brother's daughter (who live in western PA) was asked to the prom by a young man.  They were thrilled until they met him, his family was from India or somewhere like that and all of a sudden he wasn't good enough for their daughter.  This young man is very smart and has been accepted to Harvard for college already.  I told them to let her go he seems like a nice young man and tell her everytime I can not to listen to the crap people say.

Yes this off topic of your discussion but in a way with your candidates opponent being black it may play in McCains favor but not in a way you want it to.

ok, you all invite me to talk about issues and said I would keep my nose of out her but I want to ask or bring up this topic I have been noticing.  I guess this is more of my concern for McCains age is the mistakes he makes when speaking.  Several times in the debate he mentioned that his running mate knows all to well about special needs children and kept saying her child has autism.  I thought her youngest had down syndromne.  He has made similar types of mistakes in talking with people.  If I'm not mistaken he started a speak with "my fellow prisioners" I can understand an occassional mistake but this is becoming more frequent with him.  To me that is very concerning and why his age bothers me.

His age bothers most people who are young.  When you get up there and start looking back and you don't feel much different then when you were 40, only then do you realize, being older is what you make it to be.  I would only imagine that the 18 year olds are thinking McCain is ancient, and they just won't vote for him.  It's understandable because I did it myself.  I thought Reagan was older than the hills.  At the time, he wasn't my first choice but neither was Carter.  The rest is history.

LuAnn - he did not say her child has autism. I am pretty sure she has a nephew who has autism. If you are worried about McCain misspeaking - what about Biden??

As for western Pennsylvania, I don't think you can generalize - my dh is from Bangladesh and his cousin lived in western PA for years - worked for Westinghouse when it had an R&D department. He never had a problem with racism there. He liked it so much, he has bought a second home there. We visit there quite often and have found the people there to be very nice (As a mixed race couple we don't get that everywhere - even in places where people are supposed to be tolerant). My grandfather was from Beaver Falls and I don't believe I have ever met a better person. He moved to Detroit for work as a young man. He lived through the depression and people of all colors would come to their door asking for something to eat. My grandfather not only would give them something to eat but would ask them to come in and eat at the table with them. He didn't care what the neighbors would say - everyone was equal in the eyes of God and that was all that mattered to him.  

LuAnn, several years ago before I turned 60.I'm now 62...my friend and I were talking over the phone.  We were talking about a funeral.  My friend, who is one year younger, was talking and instead of saying "pall bearers" she said "umpires."  We cracked up and still do to this day.  She and I (but more she) will insert words that are entirely wrong.

McCain is under a lot of pressure.  He knows he's behind.  People look at him like he's old.  I don't see him that way.  I don't see him angry.  His base was telling him to GET ANGRY because they're damned angry with how the last two years Congress has done nothing. 

McCain is NOT an attack dog!  He hates that kind of politics.  He's tried not to "go there."  His base wants him to expose Obama's relationships...his judgments.  Ayers and his wife have NEVER apologized for their actions.  The reason they weren't prosecuted is because the DA did something wrong.  A technicality.  Don't forget what Ayers said in 2001 RIGHT AFTER 9/11...he wished they had done more.

I don't care that Obama was 8 years old when Ayers and his wife and domestic terrorists.  Obama's a smart guy..everyone says.  First Obama said he didn't know Ayers did those things.  Then, as usual (and I know this is your candidate), he says, I thought he was rehabilitated.  LuAnn, which answer from Obama is it.  Like sitting in the pew of a known controversial pastor that he NEVER heard make comments like we've heard.  It took that National Press Conference and Wright's almost telling everyone that Obama's a liar..that politicians do what they have to do and pastors do what they have to do....before Obama denounced his famous "uncle."  And Rezko who has been indicted...money went to Rezko for low income housing from Obama's district while he was in the state senate.  Obama helped Rezko and now those homes are nothing but shambles, but Obama never asked for inquirey as to WHY, and the poor people on the southside of Chicago are uprooted with no place to go.  And, as Obama said, it was a bonehead idea to buy land next to his 1.6 mil house from Rezko's wife at a discounted price when she payed full price.  And the days in college that no one knows about.  He also recently said about the "bitter" comment that was made about people clinging....QUOTE "biggest bonehead move."

There's more, LuAnn.  Which way is it?  Like he doesn't wear a pin on his lapel...now he does.  His wife's comments that she has now tried to explain.  It was very clear to me when I heard her say them..no explanation necessary. 

He's constantly got a "comeback" for all questions.  Boneheaded idea?  Boneheaded move?  I didn't know.  Then says, thought he was rehabilitated.  Not the pastor I know..how did his pastor change so quickly, LuAnn.  Even the most .LIBERAL people have said they would have never at under his pastor.  How could he sit so innocently on boards with Ayers.  Even Geraldine Ferraro says that Ayers should be fired from Columbia University because of his radical views.  Oh, and when money was given to the educational program that Ayers was pushing, it wasn't for teaching math, reading, science..it was for teaching his radical views.

I suggest you do a lot of searching.  Of course the MSM has not reported enough so you'll probably not find all you need.

McCain is older, trustworthy, genuine, experienced, but not OLD.  For pete's sake, LuAnn, I would love to look like his mom if I ever reach the ripe old age of 93 and she's sharp. 

McCain was challenged to come out angry.  He's not an "angry old man."  No, he's not eloquent when speaking.  But he knows his stuff and that's why I'm voting for him.  And, no, neither candidate can "Annie up" on all the programs they are promising.

I don't want government more in my life than they already are.  I don't have any wealth to spread around, but I think that's horrid that people who have worked hard to get where THEY are to have to give their money to me.  Some people are fortunate and have large inheritance i.e. Cindy McCain.  Why should she be punished for her good fortune?

You may think that these concerns about Obama are not valid.  But for me and many of us it is.  the MSM has not done their job.  Anyone with any common sense knows that McCain and Hillary were not given a fair shake in the media.  Oh, Fox gave Hillary a fair shake..not like Matthews who got a tingly feeling up his leg when Obama spoke.

Okay, I'm done.  I'm not changing anyone's mind.  The Obama supporters will continue to be Obama supporters.  I will continue to support McCain.  I just wish there was more I could do. 

One more thing..the polls were tight until the economy went way south.  Do some more homework, LuAnn.  If we want to point fingers at Bush...Bush back in 2003 tried to warn about Fannie and Freddie..so did McCain and other repubs (not repugs).  Go back, LuAnn.  Check out what Barney Frank had to say.  Check out what Maxine Waters had to say.  Check out what President Clinton did.  They wanted minorities and low income and no income people to own homes.

I challenge you to watch these videos.  Everytime I watch them I'm furious and it almost brings me to tears.  Is this what brought down our economy?  Stop blaming Bush.

Listen.  Take off your blinders.  Obama speaks purtty, but he's no ready to lead this country.  McCain tried to warn about Freddie and Fannie. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivmL-lXNy64

PS. and they did this in the name of "descrimation." 

When my dh and I moved here and got jobs we found a one bedroom trailer because that was all we could afford.  The trailer was nice. I could not have been happier.  Simple life.  We saved almost every cent I made and had our first down payment for our first home.  The house was approximately 1100 square feet. 

Biden has had two bain aneurysms.