I say YES. YOU say NO....Numero Tre! Enjoy!

AliceBastable

AliceBastable

IllinoisLady, When Dolt45 was sworn in, my son suggested renaming the country Richbastardstan.

IllinoisLady

Something to keep in mind:

IllinoisLady

I am motivated simply by my awareness of the impact today's
actions have on tomorrow's circumstances.

Chase Streetman

IllinoisLady

IllinoisLady

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Elderberry

This thread saves my sanity. I am not the only one who thinks there is just a batshit crazy world out there.

Betrayal

Loved the Fallopians meme.

Nope, Elderberry you are not alone and several of them are on the Covid Rant forum. One wonders when someone posts an article featured in Rolling Stone when that became a credible medical data publication? Just wondering since the Moderators stated they must be reputable data sources. Never had to read Rolling Stone when I had to write a research based paper. What do people not understand about a reputable source?

cm2020

Elderberry I agree a thousand percent. I am grateful daily for this thread and the smart funny women on it.

Betrayal, I homeschool my 17 year old. She is a junior in high school. Were she to turn in a research paper with Rolling Stone as an information source I would hand it back to her and tell her she needed to rewrite it using credible sources. Rolling Stone does not meet that criteria in any way.

exbrnxgrl

I have thought a lot lately about why folks don’t believe legit research or rely on questionable sources for their info. I’ve come to a simple conclusion. Many people simply don’t understand how research works and even more importantly, how to interpret the statistical data that research yields.

I am not in the medical field but I do read a lot of educational research so I have a good understanding of statistics. Remedial statistics anyone?

jhl

Exbrnxgrl,

I agree with your theory that people don't understand the foundations of basic research. If they ever learned in high school what a reputable source was, they have certainly forgotten it. The internet, Wikipedia & god forbid, Rolling Stone are not, never have been nor ever will be a reputable source. Goodness, what if we really wanted to have Primary Sources?? I admit most would not be able to access it, but the sad thing is they wouldn't know what that means.

cm2020, bless you for teaching your daughter these basics!

Stay well,

Jane

ruthbru

IllinoisLady

I'm now rolling on the floor Ruth. Perfect !!

Spookiesmom

Some think he should be charged with murder.

Betrayal

Our nursing students were assigned to write a research paper and were instructed that a reference paper had to be from a professional source. We even told this meant that it had to be written by a nurse (primary author), written for nurses (the audience) and published in a nursing journal (reputable resource) from the US since it represented healthcare in the US and not Europe. You would not believe how many used Wikipedia, medical journals such as NEJM, JAMA, etc where the authors were physicians and other online sources that were like Rolling Stone. We even permitted them to submit the reference page for approval prior to writing their papers. Since APA format is required for any scientific paper we also used this chance to provide feedback on APA citations for references. So many opted not to accept our critiques and then were mightily pissed when they lost major points for their reference pages and failure to follow APA format. Samples of APA format were also provided including use of headings, and they were referred to an online APA site they could access for free. Those who listened did well and those who did not, well you know the outcome. It represented 10% of their course grade and so many were just willing to blow it off with little to no effort. Sad to report this and that the English department refused to teach APA since they preferred MLA which is fine if you are not in a science based profession. So if you are home schooling, please teach your children APA format. otherwise they will have to self-teach. The APA built into Word isn't always correct.

IllinoisLady

I don't always do well with statistics, but I do know you have to be circumspect about where your information is located. Also a help if it is as up to date as possible. I have been known to have used a source or two here that wasn't correct, but everyone here is so good it was caught quickly and I am always thankful to be able to clean things up.

exbrnxgrl

betrayal,

Oh dear! You have my sympathy. Since many are fond of blaming teachers for educational inadequacies, I’d like to point out that IMO, too many students have simply become passive and haven’t grasped the idea that the learner must not be passive if they truly want to learn. Teachers can deliver material in the most interesting way but simply sitting in the room doesn’t make you a learner. You have to be engaged and the entire responsibility for your engagement is not on the teacher’s shoulder. I always made this clear to my students and mainly taught kindergarten and first grade. Of course I did it at an age appropriate level 😊.

Your students were a perfect example of this. My dd found my old APA style guide and laughed at my “old fashioned” spiral bound hard copy. I guess it seemed quaint 😂. Educational research/dissertations use APA.

AliceBastable

I've noticed posts on FB about the Rolling Stones article, mostly anti-vaxxers going on about it's why they can't trust the media to be truthful. When I posted a fact-checked article about the amount of Invermectin users clogging up emergency rooms (with no mention of a gunshot victim), I was told that I just don't get the point. Idiots.

ChiSandy

I have a folksinger colleague (actually, Americana-singer, living in southern IL) who has fallen down the COVIDiot rabbit hole, ranting about Big Pharma, people being put on ventilators "too soon," and pushing cockamamie "cures" like Vitamin D and budesonide (Symbicort) steroid asthma inhalers. She touts a site called "budesonideworks.com" maintained by a rogue doctor she calls a "hero" and that "Oxford proves it." I told her he's part of the "Frontline Doctors" and AAPS (American Assoc. of Physicians & Surgeons) so named to hoodwink naïve people into equating it with the AMA--and that these organizations are politically conservative, libertarian, and often have a financial interest in questionable treatments (e.g., ivermectin) & supplements. She replied with the usual conspiracy-theory bullcrap that "they have to be rogue because they're censored by social media & the MSM." Oy. These clowns are the medical equivalent of the tiny minority of climate-change-denying scientists, plus that moron of a Congressman who brought a snowball onto the House floor to "prove" global warming doesn't exist.

Why is it that so many creatives are alterna-woo enthusiasts who reject the medical establishment? Can it be that the arts aren't exactly a lucrative field, so that people tend to diss things they feel they can't afford?

BTW, when I told my friend how much even generic budesonide costs (my son's co-pay with insurance is >$300/mo. and even with GoodRx it's >$200) she replied....actually, she hasn't replied.

Spookiesmom

IllinoisLady

To live content with small means; to seek elegance rather than luxury; and refinement rather than fashion; to be worthy, not respectable; and wealthy, not rich; to study hard, think quietly, talk gently, act frankly; to listen to stars and birds, to babes and sages, with open heart; to bear all cheerfully, do all bravely, await occasion, hurry never; in a word, to let the spiritual, unbidden, and unconscious to grow up through the common. This is to be my symphony. -William Henry Channing

IllinoisLady

Sandy, I think your colleague is all too far gone like so many others. I can see where the idea of censorship is so easily touted. How else to explain why you turn away from actual science and fact. And, if you don't think tooooo much it could have a logical sound to it -- especially if that is what you think you want. Makes you wonder why so many work so hard ( but thank God for them ) to keep bringing truth forward. I can't believe all these people were underground ( of course some were ) all this time. Sad and destructive that they no longer seem to care about truth, reason and established facts. They are why we all think 1984 every time they are around.

Teachers -- hopefully inspire in all the strong desire to be a discoverer. To birth the desire to know more, and to enhance life with that knowledge. When I hear someone describe a book they have just read, it makes me want to read it too. That person has a 'teacher' in them. If one is fortunate I think parents start a bit of the desire to know and then the teacher adds a whole lot of glue.

Hard to watch those who we generally have respected for something go the conspiracy theory way into darkness. I hope that can change but other than continue telling the truth, I don't know how.

2019whatayear

I think Woo works because 1. people like to feel special, to feel like they are in the know and have special knowledge others don't have -- basically that's a big initial draw to most conspiracy theories. 2. It helps people feel like life has meaning---like it's actually easier to sleep at night if you can blame the pandemic at the foot of an evil cabal vrs. sitting with the fact that stuff happens and it just is what it is--same reason some people like to blame cancer on the patient's lifestyle--that way they can feel "safe" knowing they won't wind up with cancer because they don't do XYZ.

And then you have the algorithms that push people down the conspiracy path.

And then you have Trump as a charismatic leader of the GOP cult. It's pretty wild. I do not see what his followers see in him. That being said I think he has lost whatever control he had over his fans and now he follows them and they are on a destructive path that pull the rest of us along.

*****

Happy Labor Day! I love Unions! Remember people died so we would have a 40 hour work week and not make kids work!

wrenn

https://www.apa.org/research/action/speaking-of-ps...

This had some interesting points.

magiclight

Free access to the Publication Manual and other resources during the coronavirus pandemic (apa.org)

APA 7th edition is the latest and APA.org provides a great deal of free access.

magiclight

AliceBastable

ChiSandy, Alterna-woo is a great term. I think a lot of it grew out of the old hippie "Don't trust the establishment" thinking. Most people grew up and learned that they could work within existing systems to make changes, and/or learned when and how to fight for (or against) specific issues. The Woo bunch are still flailing away at anything and everything in their socio-political paranoia. There are younger versions now, seen a lot during major elections, proclaiming anyone who doesn't think exactly like them as enemies of the people. The right doesn't have a monopoly on gullible nitwits.

IllinoisLady

AliceBastable, that is well said. Trump made all those woo-people think he not only understood their plight, but was totally for them. That alone ( being able to give all the rest of us the 'finger' ) was all they needed to get started saluting the road he told them he was on and that he would be on for them and take care of them.
They indeed are gullible nitwits. I haven't done it myself but if they counted up everyone ( including those he welcomed into his WH circle -- like Jeff Sessions and Wm. Barr ) who he easily threw under the bus when they seemed not to want to help him or did things that he deemed disloyal, they would have full realization that he would not pee on them to cool them off from a forest fire. If you do things like they, after seeing just like we do how easy to lose face it is with Trump, they should well be able to see they are a faceless mass not even CLOSE to Trump's considerations. Maximum gullibility.

EDA: 2019whatayear -- same thing pretty much to you. The nitwits do think of themselves as special -- above even getting covid. It is just a part of their crazy bubble. Frightening to see people who can so easily adopt their alternative realities/conspiracies. I know their lives don't actually get better for the most part, but they don't believe there is anything else for them. Once on the train they don't dare get off into nothingness. Sad, huh !!!

IllinoisLady

My hand is up and will stay there.