STEAM ROOM FOR ANGER

Snickersmom

I think the saddest thing is that Lula is right - now it's possible that some woman/women will ignore the signs or not get a mammogram because of that idiot. He should not be practicing anything.

Artista964

that's scary that someone in the medical field thinks that. He's giving false info. He probably thinks men don't get it either. We need to educate people. Esp people who work with patients.

Lula73

technically he’s a Dr but he’s a Dr of chiropractic medicine. He does not have the medical study/background that an internist or even a researcher has. People hear ‘Dr’ and often believe a chiropractor has the same schooling - not so. Take a page out of the MD’s book and request the studies he is getting his information from that shows healthy eating is an absolute BC preventative regardless of BRCA status. Shoot, I’d just make that request on the Facebook page sounding all innocent and stuff. It might make some other ladies stop, think, and question it..

Snickersmom

Lula - you are absolutely right and what a great suggestion! It would be interesting to see his response on Facebook. What a jerk. And I still haven't figured out why so many people think that a chiropractor has his medical degree just like an M.D. Not so!!

Lita57

The guy's a jerk.

What about all the people who get lung cancer, and NEVER smoked in their lives!?!

What does he say about that?

L

Capecodgirl

OK, so I just instant messaged him. Here is what I said:

I was enjoying watching your facebook live presentation on nutrition last night, until you said that breast cancer is preventable thru good nutrition and healthy lifestyle choices. I'm shocked you said that and would love to see the studies that show healthy eating/lifestyle is an an absolute breast cancer preventative, regardless of BRCA or any other gene mutation status. I am not sure how much you know about BC, but there are many people who eat well/make healthy lifestyle choices who get this disease. Extreme athletes get this disease. My doctor does not believe that my BC was caused by poor eating/lifestyle choices.

Making this type of blanket statement does a disservice to all women and men who heard your presentation, and now may skip a mammogram, or ignore a lump because they "did all the right things" and have therefore prevented this from happening to them.

I am interested in hearing any feedback.

Thank you to all who responded-- I borrowed some of your comments/ phrasing Lula. I could have gone on more, but feel it would lose some impact.

Capecodgirl

So now I am seriously losing my sh*t. I just received a reply back from my message. Here it is:

Hi Barb, Great to hear from you. Hope all is well. I appreciate your input. Most of the information from my talk can be found in the book linked below. Enjoy.

The book he provided the link to is Maximized Living Nutrition Plans by Kimberly Roberto and Ben Lerner.

He did not address any of the issues I raised, the most important to me being the misinformation he is spreading which could lead people into skipping mammos or not getting checked for a lump because they will not get cancer-- they have already prevented it. What is wrong with him!!!!! How could he live with himself if one of his clients was diagnosed with late stage BC because they didn't get checked after listening to his presentation. I am at a loss for words.

Micmel

sounds like he’s fool of himself

Parrynd1

Capecodegirl - I’m glad you called him out. His response just goes to show he is a fraud.

I hope anyone who hears or sees what this guy is putting out there has the good sense to check his facts, do their own credible information seeking and ask a real medical professional if any lumps or suspicion arise. We don’t need to battle cancer and people like this!

I’d never wish cancer/BC on anyone, so I hope no one takes this the wrong way, but wouldn’t it be funny if he got BC? It’s rare in men but does happen. Life is the best teacher. I hope he lives a long healthy cancer free life, but is proven wrong at some point and stops spreading this ‘cure’ nonsense.

I think food has a big impact, but is by no means a cure or preventative. I’ve seen so many women on here mention how they were very healthy with their lifestyle and eating before diagnosis. This guy can put his misinformation where the sun doesn’t shine as far as I’m concerned.

WC3

Capecodgirl:

It sounds like he doesn’t want to get in to it with you

AliceBastable

Isnt there a regulatory body that could be notified of quackery like this? Are chiropractors bound by any sort of "do no harm" oath?

Snickersmom

Alice - I was wondering the same thing. They surely have some kind of code of ethics, I would think. And if they don't, they should! I say go get him and hang him high before he does any more damage with misinformation. What an ass.

Egads007

Why not make a Facebook page dedicated to stamping out heinous/dangerous/mythological advice given by quacks?

bella2013

Capecodgirl, apparently it’s true...you can’t fix stupid...smh

runor

CapeCod, glad you spoke up, you might not have been able to live with yourself if you hadn't, and sorry Mr. Chiro douched out by sidestepping your message. Referring you to a book in no way absolves him of publicly promoting mis-information. I agree with the others who think there ought to be malpractice board that can be alerted that Mr. Chiro might not be mentally fit to crack people's necks. Perhaps someone cracked him on the noggin and now he has a head injury, thus going on record as saying, essentially, if you get cancer it's your own fault for eating stupid stuff, you stupid person! BLAME is not cure! If he sent you to a book you have to wonder how he's profiting by it. Follow the money. What's in it for him to get online and promote hearsay evidence (which has ZERO to back it up credibly). He has to be making money. And have the moral backbone of a jellyfish.

Meow13

Yes glad you spoke up. Even if he is in denial we know firsthand the truth.

Capecodgirl

I can't figure out if he actually believes himself,or if he wasjust throwing stuff out there without thinking about what he was saying in order to promote his practice. He did say that our ancestors did not get cancer because of what they ate. I say they didn't live long enough to get cancer. He said (if you can believe this) that we should all eat like our cavemen ancestors and get regular chiropractic adjustments to have good health like they did. What? The cavemen didn't have chiropractors to my knowledge.

Anyway, I just can't believe he is putting that misinformation out there so casually- you would have to see the video to see how this crap just rolls out of his mouth. And on a personal note, you would think he might have said something like he is sorry I have/had cancer (he does not know where I am in my treatment at this point).

Parry - I agree I would not wish illness on anyone, but if he ever gets sick I wonder if he will blame it on his lifestyle/food choices - in other words, on himself.

Wc3- I agree- sounds like doesn't want to engage- his agenda is to promote his practice with little regard to the consequences of the crap is is putting out there

Lula73

He’s making a commission off every sale of that book he links to.

kathindc

I think the chiropractor needs to read up on cancer. Descriptions of it date back to 3,000 BC. If he is that ignorant about cancer, I wonder just how good of a chiropractor he is.

Snickersmom

I still think he should be reported. He is dishing out horribly false statements

JoyceA

I get so angry when I hear people “explaining" how we get cancer. I went to a class on reducing stress and heard that stress causes cancer. If that were true everyone would have cancer. My mother died from bc, 2 of my sisters had bc and my brother's 2 daughters also had bc. I guess we are a family of stressed out people. I googled Maximized Living Chiropractors. Looks like a big money making business. Living their lifestyle, going to a chiropractor the rest of your life and taking their supplements. I wonder what they tell their patients that go to them for years, spending thousands of dollars and get cancer.

goodprognosis

Hi Capecodgirl

His reply sounds like a standardised letter where you fill in '.....name....' of person and just hit reply button.

I would unfriend him quickly.

GP

WC3

The book mentions sugar and fats, and sure, those things play a role. I am not denying some cancers have a significant dietary componant, but I object to the idea that all cancer is a result of poor diet and/or lifestyle.

A lot of those health guru types will always find something you did wrong to blame the cancer on.

Followed their diet and still got cancer? They will say you didn't start soon enough. You took the wrong brand of supplement. Your vegetables probably weren't all organic. You didn't do enough enemas to clear all of the toxins from your body before you started, etc.

And a lot of these people have no discernable credentials because they are literally just people who realized that it was profitable to make nice looking videos about food.

Mominator

Capecodgirl: good for you for speaking up.

We should send him a copy of Dr. Susan Love's Breast Book. She explains how the different risk factors increase or decrease the possibility of developing cancer (certain lifestyle changes lowers estrogen levels which can lower risk). 

"Overestimating the importance of risk factors can cause needless mental anguish if you have one of them in your background. However, you may harbor a false sense of security of you don't have them. ...Most breast cancer patients don't have a history of breast cancer. By virtue of being women, we are at risk for breast cancer." p. 109

"Breast cancer is complex and has many factors that interact with one another in ways we don't understand yet." p. 109 

mysticalcity

Here is an excerpt from one of the reviews on the book he references:

"My guess is that this is because the Plans are run by and administered by the Franchisees (Chiropractors in the Network). So if you pay the Chiropractor, you get the meal plan .... otherwise the consumer just gets these books on "why they should follow the plan" they are paying someone for. Kinda these books are propaganda.

This evasive maneuvering keeps everyone from being accountable legally. But vagueness coupled with all the paranoid "the world of medicine is lying to you" smacks of dogma and charlatanism."

Sounds like the book review pretty much sums the Chiro doc also. . . propaganda and charlatanism.

DancingElizabeth

VENT alert:

I had the stupid fat-grafting and nipple reconstruction. The fucking stupidest thing I've ever done.

First of all - I fucking HATE wearing the compression cr$ap. Can't stand it.

Second - I can't go to my classes at the gym - for 8 fucking weeks. Feels like my flesh will fall off when I try to jump - anyway.

Third - I had nipple reconstruction and not supposed to sleep on my back. I can't do that. My newly created nipples - already look deformed. WHY did I get this done??? My body - is ALREADY jacked up from having cancer!!!!! Who cares what it looks like - it already sucks!!!!!

I HATE this. Wish I had left everything alone and just bought attachable nipples. Fucking hate this.

I feel like a prisoner in my own body. But - all my fault for doing this to myself.

Artista964

Sorry to hear. It does take a few months for recon to settle in. Mine did. Maybe give it time.

WC3

My surgeons said I will hate them when I wake up :-)

I hope you feel better soon and it turns out to have been worth it

Cpeachymom

Elizabeth- I just wanted to say I understand. I just started delayed reconstruction almost a year after finishing rads and being half flat. I had a prepectoral TE placed on the 10th. I woke up in incredible pain. Something was pushing on a nerve and sending pain down my arm and around to my back. The first time ever that I took prescription painkillers. Around the clock. and they barely helped. Thankfully that resolved once the drain came out a week later, so it must’ve been pressing on a nerve bundle.

I was prepared for being uncomfortable. I know everyone hates their expanders. I knew they were hard. But no one prepared me for how freakin grotesque this thing looks on my chest!! I’m fairly bony, and my surgeon left a thin flap because my cancer was close to the skin, and rads made it all like leather. This thing is completely visible, looks like it’s ready to tear through my skin, and is halfway up to my freakin collarbone! I haven’t even had any fills yet. I can’t wear my coobie bras that I’ve been using since my mastectomy because the top edge cuts across this thing and leaves a mark. This TE is clearly visible through my clothes. I’m stuck with it until March.

I wasn’t that unhappy being half flat, I’m small on the other side anyway. (And saggy, so it looks ridiculous now!) But now that I’ve started, I want to try to see it through and hope the outcome is worth it.

I even understand about hating the restrictions. I have a toddler who I’m not supposed to lift for a month! No grocery shopping by myself, etc. sucks!

Hope it gets better. Hugs.

Capecodgirl

Mysticalcity-

I am so disappointed in him as a person. He is clearly in it for the $, and is not looking out for the best interests of his clients (not calling them patients since he is not an MD). He is nothing but a snake oil salesman.

Mominator- If I thought he would actually read it, I would send him a copy of Dr. Love's book. I'm sure he has no interest in educating himself about breast cancer or he would have addressed the issues I brought up in my instant message to him. It is not promoting his agenda ( $$$) to research the truth.

If I was promoting something and had any idea that it may be harmful in any way, I would stop and try to figure it all out-- before I did any more harm. I don't know how he can live with himself. God forbid his wife or daughter get diagnosed with bc. What will he tell them?

Dancing Elizabeth- I am sorry you are going through this. I have no experience with it, but am hoping that with time you will feel better about it.