Chemo and Breast Cancer

bluedahlia

Interesting!

bluedahlia

KatyDee you seem to know so much about everyone here considering you have less than 10 posts.  I hope the mods check your IP address.

Anonymous

Sweet bean, I agree with you about the mind being a powerful tool. And I also believe very strongly in the therapeutic benefits of Visualizaton. But again, by your argument, many women who seem to be helped by chemo, may very well have EXPECTED it to help, and so it did. Using your ice burn example you mentioned above.



We are not that far apart on this, agreeing on your point.

Anonymous

Not going to play your game, Bluedahlia. I prefer to talk about cancer and ideas for treatments, not getting into childish back and forths.

rosemary-b

Indeed

Anonymous

BD - think you nailed it

Well, we kinda thought she'd be back.....

thenewme

KatyDee wrote:

"And here they come....:("

Here comes who?   And where's all the discussion of cancer and ideas for treatment that you prefer to talk about?  I looked at your posting history and didn't see much.  What am I missing?  

Anonymous

Breast cancer prevention that really works

Wednesday, October 26, 2011 by: Angelo Druda

(NaturalNews) Long before the industrial revolution, ancient doctors of oriental medicine studied and treated breast cancer. So even before the earth was overwhelmed with synthetic, manufactured toxins, breast cancer was still considered a tragic and life threatening disease. Clearly the toxic component of breast cancer has increased during this modern age but the original cause given by these traditional health practitioners was chronic emotional frustration.

One of the virtues of oriental medicine is it's ability to observe the root cause and the developmental stages of disease. With breast cancer, the cause is seen as a chronic pattern of qi or life force stagnation, rooted in liver dysfunction. This unrelieved pattern of stagnation becomes an invisible contusion in the being, obstructing the free flow of energy, blood and lymph fluids through the specialized and sensitive breast tissue. The problem becomes potentially life threatening when toxins find their way into that area of stagnation. These toxins may enter from the outside, but they may also come from hormones, inflammation and the stress chemistry within the body. Overtime, in a significant number of people, this chronic pattern, now toxic, begins to modify normal cell replication, leading to potential breast cancer.

In the earliest stage of the disease, the liver tends to get overburdened. The liver's function is to not only filter toxins from the blood but also to regulate the flow of energy throughout the body. The liver is a very resilient organ but very much affected by all of our physical, emotional and psychic stresses. Constant negativity and frustration - most particularly the sense of being trapped in a double bind situation from which we cannot free ourselves, affects the ability of the liver to do it's job. The feeling of being trapped, literally traps life force and blood and creates potentially life threatening areas of stagnation in the body.

This traditional understanding, combined with modern wisdom not only allows us to treat the disease but it also helps us to formulate sound strategies for prevention of breast cancer.

PREVENTION

Do not allow emotionally frustrating circumstances to persist indefinitely. Do not consent to live in a chronically negative circumstance, change it instead. As any health practitioner can tell you, changing the emotional component at the root of any imbalance is the hardest part of healing. Even so, happiness is critical to health.

Do not constantly meditate on negativity. These are certainly challenging and difficult times for all of us. We all need to stay informed, but instead of constantly meditating on the trouble it is important that we find ways to serve positive change. All that stuck and frustrated energy begins to move and flow freely again when we commit ourselves to service.

Keep the blood free from toxicity by eating well. Vegetables and fruits are natural blood cleansers and aid in the detoxification of the liver.

Conduct a toxic survey of your home and replace the poisons with the more benign green products.

Maintain the alkalinity of the blood. In order to prevent cancer the blood pH should be right around 7.3. The best way to do this is to eat an abundance of green vegetables, green grasses, avocados, and salads. It's not that hard. There are many wonderful green powder combinations on the market. They are convenient and they work very well.

Herbs are extremely effective at opening up the early stages of liver stagnation and toxicity, and they are significant medicines for the prevention of all kinds of diseases. Traditional Chinese herbal formulas are designed specifically to break up liver stagnation, and restore free qi and blood flow. These harmonizing formulas are fundamental to oriental gynecological medicine. When used on a regular basis they are very effective at promoting free liver flow, and they help to clear toxins from the blood, and the breast tissue. Herbs like bupleurum, curcuma, taraxacum, burdock, oldenlandia and scute barbata have been used for hundreds of years in China to good effect. Traditional Botanical Medicine's "Breast Care" incorporates many of these ingredients and actions into one formula. There are many more excellent formulas on the market. Speak to your health practitioner about what herbs will be best for you.

Regular exercise is critical to good health. Aerobic exercise helps by breaking up areas of stagnation. The ancient exercise systems like Tai Qi, Qi Gong and Hatha Yoga are excellent as these exercises work specifically to break up liver qi stagnation and restore liver flow.

The best time to treat an imbalance is long before it creates organic damage to the tissues, cells and DNA. Practice prevention by harmonizing imbalances at the earliest stage of appearance.

elmcity69

hilarious, it is.

blue, you are right, as usual. i think we have a new troll oops I mean poster.

and princess, you are the one out of line. but that is the usual: an earnest, honest woman tries to debate in a mature way, only to get hostile, rude comments and threats. rosemary hasn't harassed anyone - but you likely know that.

j

Ang7

I actually said I like what Rosemary writes because she is one of the ladies on this site that make sense.  I do not see why she would owe anyone an apology.

Anonymous

Breast cancer prevention that really works

Wednesday, October 26, 2011 by: Angelo Druda

(NaturalNews) Long before the industrial revolution, ancient doctors of oriental medicine studied and treated breast cancer. So even before the earth was overwhelmed with synthetic, manufactured toxins, breast cancer was still considered a tragic and life threatening disease. Clearly the toxic component of breast cancer has increased during this modern age but the original cause given by these traditional health practitioners was chronic emotional frustration.

One of the virtues of oriental medicine is it's ability to observe the root cause and the developmental stages of disease. With breast cancer, the cause is seen as a chronic pattern of qi or life force stagnation, rooted in liver dysfunction. This unrelieved pattern of stagnation becomes an invisible contusion in the being, obstructing the free flow of energy, blood and lymph fluids through the specialized and sensitive breast tissue. The problem becomes potentially life threatening when toxins find their way into that area of stagnation. These toxins may enter from the outside, but they may also come from hormones, inflammation and the stress chemistry within the body. Overtime, in a significant number of people, this chronic pattern, now toxic, begins to modify normal cell replication, leading to potential breast cancer.

In the earliest stage of the disease, the liver tends to get overburdened. The liver's function is to not only filter toxins from the blood but also to regulate the flow of energy throughout the body. The liver is a very resilient organ but very much affected by all of our physical, emotional and psychic stresses. Constant negativity and frustration - most particularly the sense of being trapped in a double bind situation from which we cannot free ourselves, affects the ability of the liver to do it's job. The feeling of being trapped, literally traps life force and blood and creates potentially life threatening areas of stagnation in the body.

This traditional understanding, combined with modern wisdom not only allows us to treat the disease but it also helps us to formulate sound strategies for prevention of breast cancer.

PREVENTION

Do not allow emotionally frustrating circumstances to persist indefinitely. Do not consent to live in a chronically negative circumstance, change it instead. As any health practitioner can tell you, changing the emotional component at the root of any imbalance is the hardest part of healing. Even so, happiness is critical to health.

Do not constantly meditate on negativity. These are certainly challenging and difficult times for all of us. We all need to stay informed, but instead of constantly meditating on the trouble it is important that we find ways to serve positive change. All that stuck and frustrated energy begins to move and flow freely again when we commit ourselves to service.

Keep the blood free from toxicity by eating well. Vegetables and fruits are natural blood cleansers and aid in the detoxification of the liver.

Conduct a toxic survey of your home and replace the poisons with the more benign green products.

Maintain the alkalinity of the blood. In order to prevent cancer the blood pH should be right around 7.3. The best way to do this is to eat an abundance of green vegetables, green grasses, avocados, and salads. It's not that hard. There are many wonderful green powder combinations on the market. They are convenient and they work very well.

Herbs are extremely effective at opening up the early stages of liver stagnation and toxicity, and they are significant medicines for the prevention of all kinds of diseases. Traditional Chinese herbal formulas are designed specifically to break up liver stagnation, and restore free qi and blood flow. These harmonizing formulas are fundamental to oriental gynecological medicine. When used on a regular basis they are very effective at promoting free liver flow, and they help to clear toxins from the blood, and the breast tissue. Herbs like bupleurum, curcuma, taraxacum, burdock, oldenlandia and scute barbata have been used for hundreds of years in China to good effect. Traditional Botanical Medicine's "Breast Care" incorporates many of these ingredients and actions into one formula. There are many more excellent formulas on the market. Speak to your health practitioner about what herbs will be best for you.

Regular exercise is critical to good health. Aerobic exercise helps by breaking up areas of stagnation. The ancient exercise systems like Tai Qi, Qi Gong and Hatha Yoga are excellent as these exercises work specifically to break up liver qi stagnation and restore liver flow.

The best time to treat an imbalance is long before it creates organic damage to the tissues, cells and DNA. Practice prevention by harmonizing imbalances at the earliest stage of appearance.

rosemary-b

i would like to know what I said that was nonsense.

Anonymous

PREVENTION



Do not allow emotionally frustrating circumstances to persist indefinitely. Do not consent to live in a chronically negative circumstance, change it instead. As any health practitioner can tell you, changing the emotional component at the root of any imbalance is the hardest part of healing. Even so, happiness is critical to health.



Do not constantly meditate on negativity. These are certainly challenging and difficult times for all of us. We all need to stay informed, but instead of constantly meditating on the trouble it is
important that we find ways to serve positive change. All that stuck and frustrated energy begins to move and flow freely again when we commit ourselves to service.

This in particular speaks to me. Thanks Princess.

elmcity69

I always find it fascinating that the ones who preach "positive energy" and emotional "stability"  etc etc are the quickest to attack anyone who doesn't share their philosophy.

Anonymous

How do you spot a friend that is toxic?  Look over this list and see if anybody rings a bell with you...

• Unsupportive
• Draining-emotionally, financially, or mentally
• Unrewarding, Stifling and Unsatisfying
• Unreliable
• Unequal-It's all about them
• Stresses you out
• Leaves you feeling bad about yourself
• Highly critical of you
• Your toxic friends are telling you that you have a problem
• You have caught them telling lies
• You really don't even like them
• You feel calm, happy and more vivacious when you are not with them.

If you answered "yes" to any of these characteristics, you are dealing with a toxic relationship.

Anonymous

Deal with a toxic friendship by:

1. Telling them how you feel.
2. Setting boundaries.
3. Hanging out with non-toxic friends.
4. Ending the friendship.

Ang7

How does this information have to do with the topic Chemo and Breast Cancer?

suzieq60

Princess - just what was your diagnosis - you haven't shared that with us. Were you early stage, not HER2 by any chance? Someone who would not have had chemo recommended to them in any case?  

Edited to add - I do see you had DCIS - not exactly a diagnosis that warrants chemo. So that makes it really easy for you to criticise it as you have never had to make the decision yourself.

Anonymous

My cousin died from BC,  5 years afer her dx. The treatments left her body, mind and spirit in a mess. It's too bad she didn't know about the alternative therapies that are available that actually make sense. Like many here,she believed radiation and chemo were here only options. Now I know that is so not true.

AnnNYC

Princess, I'm sorry for your loss of your cousin. And I had a friend who died in 1993 at the age of 42, two years after a diagnosis of BC which she treated entirely by alternative methods.  These losses may explain why we find ourselves drawn to one treatment modality versus another.

Ang7

I had a friend who died during her chemo treatment.  I was scared of chemo until I came here and discussed it with everyone who was willing to discuss it with me.  Between the ladies here, my oncologist whom I trust and my neighbor who let me know that she had BC 22 years ago and she underwent surgery and chemo and is doing fine,  I made my own decision. 

I do not see how the back and forth between chemo and alternative is helping anyone.

Anonymous

You're right Ann. I'm scarred for life!  In my cousin's case she just went downhill fast. Too fast. It was too much for her. A gentler treatment would have been more appropriate.  

I'm not totally against conventional treatments. Sometimes chemo is needed to shrink a large tumor. I think serious attention needs to be given to nutritional therapies though. That's where conventional medicine fails us.

Which alternative therapy did  your friend use and what type of cancer did she have?  There are many alternative cancer clinics that treat cancer sucessfully. I was just checking out the one impositive went to and learning about the treatments she had. I really hope she has success.

AnnNYC

And I'm not totally "for" chemo!  Who on earth would be (except for unscrupulous profiteers)? [Although when I try to think of a concrete example of an "unscrupulous profiteer," what comes to mind is that evil pharmacist in Kansas City who sold watered-down chemo.] We all know chemo is heavy-duty, with dangerous side effects.  I think it's great that we now have Oncotype Dx (although I guess only time will tell how valid it has been for those of us who have made decisions based on Oncotype score).  I just entered on this thread because I think there is a huge difference between stating the fact that chemo causes transient immunosuppression, and the statement that "chemo kills the immune system" -- which seems to imply that no one ever has good immune function, ever again, once having had chemo.  Possibly permanent hair loss, possibly permanent neuropathy, possibly permanent heart damage, possibly permanent cognitive effects -- yes -- but as noted in many studies, the immune system regains its functionality after chemo, and some aspects of the immune system aimed at fighting cancer are improved by some chemo drugs (for example, cyclophosphamide can kill the T-regulatory cells that have "learned to tolerate" the cancer in that body -- thereby re-allowing other components of the immune system to again recognize the cancer as "foreign" and deserving of immune attack).

My friend did a strict macrobiotic diet, went to a naturopath and to an M.D. who supported the approach.  Back in 1990-1993, there was far less awareness of "what kind" of breast cancer one had -- assessment of risk/severity was all pretty much based on "staging" -- the first paper saying that HER2-neu expression was a risk even if lymph nodes were uninvolved was published in 1991, and there was no such term as "triple negative" at the time.  So my friend had lumpectomy of a small tumor with no nodal involvement -- but now I believe it must have been HER2+ (in the days before herceptin) or TN (before it was understood how dangerous that was) -- if her small lump had been ER+/PR+/Her2-negative she likely would have had a much different outcome. 

Anonymous

A macrobiotic diet is not an alternative treatment/therapy. It's just a healthy diet.  Your friend didn't stand a chance, especially not knowing what type of cancer she had. Thank god times have changed.

You are right one can rebuild the immune system. I guess the problem I have is with these one size fits all treatments. I can't wrap my head around them. They make no sense to me because no two bodies are the same. What is right for one, could do serious harm to another.  So it makes me a little uncomfortable when I see people here encouraging others to take certain drugs and not worry about the potential the side effects.

There is a woman here, Cindy,  who is doing 100% alternative - no surgery, rads, chemo etc. Her MD has tailored a very specific regimen for her body. Her journey should be very interesting to follow.    

impositive is recieving intravenous B17, DMOS and vitamin C and other things. She just posted more info about that on That's Life's Stage 4 thread, in case anyone here is interested in learning more about that.  Her treatments were not cheap!   

impositive

Those of you who click on active topics and see that they are on the alternative threads can choose to move on. You dont need to post. I see the same names pop up who dont normally participate here in this forum except to antagonize.  Some are the very ones who requested that there be a separate forum "because you use complementary forums and didn't want our "unproven" methods to muddy up that thread." 

It is combative to come on the alternative board and argue the alternative view.  If you want to discuss the same subject, you could repost the same article on a thread in the conventional forum and leave this one to the ones who choose to feel this way.  No one is denying you your choice...just please voice it in a forum you normally frequent.  I dont share each and every view here but I do consider myself alternative minded.  This forum was created for alternative thinkers.  If you aren't one...please move on. 

Ang7

But impositive~

If I see a blanket statement like "any treatment that kills your immune system as chemo does" it makes me want to respond. 

It would be like if you happened to see a blanket statement like "IV Vitamin C kills your immune system."  Wouldn't you post your thoughts trying to correct an incorrect statement?

Leia

All that I am saying on this Alternative thread, is that Alternative treatments, to the Medical Industrial treatments are an option. I will never do chemo. Refuse radiation and Tomoxifen/AIs. As I have done. And I have done very well. 

Bottom line, for me, is the FOCC and the D3. And I have also added Ubiquinol.  That is the CoQ10, but a form that my 57 year old body can absorb. 

My goal in all of this, build up my immune system. To fight all of the toxins in our current environment.

To me that is the KEY. For my part, I need to give my body the nutrients to fight off all of these toxins. Because our immune systems, in our own bodies, are the true fighters, of cancer. 

NOT chemotherapy. Chemotherapy kills the immune system. How can that possibly help? Chemo might reduce a tumor, temporarily, yet it doesn't address why the tumor developed to begin with.

If a person does not address these basic issues, why the tumor grew to begin with, cancer will always recur.

I have chosen to address the basic issues. As I said, above, with the FOCC and the D3 and the Ubiquinol. And it is working for me. I feel great and I have no cancer recurrence. My September thermogram was totally negative. For those of you familiar with thermograms, my breast photos were totally blue. No inflamation, no incipient cancer.  I'm in the clear. 

And I did go beyond the Breast Thermogram, I had an entire body thermogram. Nothing of concern noted in the report, anywhere else.  

I am just saying what I have done and what I am still doing.  It is working great, for me. 

motheroffoursons

Is there any shred ;of science in this?  Is this alternative treatment, just getting rid of negativity?  Is this an alternative treatment or just a shred of nonsense?  I can make up treatments that sound as legitimate as this.  If I didn't have a conscience, I could and probably profit from it.

Even some alternative treatments are bogus.  Please don't defend every alternative treatment that comes down the pike.  The word alternative is not some holy word.

With breast cancer, the cause is seen as a chronic pattern of qi or life force stagnation, rooted in liver dysfunction. This unrelieved pattern of stagnation becomes an invisible contusion in the being, obstructing the free flow of energy, blood and lymph fluids through the specialized and sensitive breast tissue. The problem becomes potentially life threatening when toxins find their way into that area of stagnation. These toxins may enter from the outside, but they may also come from hormones, inflammation and the stress chemistry within the body. Overtime, in a significant number of people, this chronic pattern, now toxic, begins to modify normal cell replication, leading to potential breast cancer.

I think BCO moderators should modify the category for Alternnative.  CUrrently the disclaimer (as that is what it is) says "Alternative medicine refers to treatments that are used INSTEAD of standard, evidence-based treatment." by adding something like, "Please evaluate each treatment mentioned as these are not standard of care and have little or no scientific backing:"

impositive

Ang7, I see your point but my answer to that would be...not if that statement is made on the conventional boards. 

I see many statements on those boards that I vehmently disagree with, however, out of respect for those women who believe in what they are doing, I refuse to argue those points. I think if you believe in your therapy, that is half the battle.  Your mental picture is paramount in healing and I refuse to stand in the way of that.  I would love to go over there and shout to everyone,  "There is another option. Chemo is not the only way.  Look at ALL your options!"  However, I just dont feel it's right.

I'm not into chemo bashing, I believe has its place but it is not for me, even if I am  Her2+++.  I also believe people have the right to choose.   BCO is a wonderful place that we have all benefited from.  We have all found our little place within it and I just dont see the point of others trying to turn it into a battlefield.  There are some here that seem to want to do that and please know I am certainly not referring to you.   You have brought valuable discussions to the table.  It's the ones who just want to be combative that I am referring to. 

impositive

motheroffoursons, What is science? A wise person once wrote:

"Science is a way of understanding the world, not a mountain of facts. Before anyone can truly understand scientific information, they must know how science works. Science does not prove anything absolutely -- all scientific ideas are open to revision in the light of new evidence. The process of science, therefore, involves making educated guesses (hypotheses) that are then rigorously and repeatedly tested.