Chemo and Breast Cancer

tori39

I know that this topic has been inactive for quite a while now but I found it while doing a search on vitamin d. I read it from start to finish, and it is now 12:50 am! I am extremely grateful for all of you taking time to fiercely defend your views and opinions. I was diagnosed a couple of months ago, and have been strongly hoping I won't need chemo. As I read this, I have to tell you that those defending alternative medicine are very convincing, and I can see how someone like me can get swayed to forego chemo. So I am also grateful that some dissenting voices continued to be heard here. It was a good balance of opinions. I greatly admire those of you who take the time to write and express your views, in the hopes that newly-diagnosed people like me can see more than one side in this battle against BC. Thanks, and I hope that as I keep reading other boards, that I will see you all there too.

gracewriter

That's-life wrote: 

"p.s.: we can see what happens when someone just mentions chemo may not be effective... I could provide data for you all.  i could provide science based records of the realities of chemotherapy for many many thousands of women and men. But i dont do that. I dont want to burst anyone's bubble. I dont want anyone to feel the shock of truth i have had to feel by reading the truth behind the numbers and the truth behind the success rates...."

Thanks so much for writing this.  I have been searching the stats on all of this for months.  I know the truth and clearly several people on here do not, nor have they actually done an exhaustive research like you and I on this topic. 

Otherwise, they either wouldn't be writing at all and doing more research of their own or at least LISTENING with a more open mind and not so defensive on allopathic medicine.

I come on here for support in my decision to not take conventional medicine and am shocked and discouraged when I see pro-chemo natzis screwing me out of the support I need while they waste the prescious time I have left to get some leads on good alternative information that just might save my life!

I'm frankly scared shitless.  But NOTHING will change my mind.  This is not my first rodeo either.  I've seen chemo kill my best friend, amoung others friends and family.  I've also witnesssed first hand friends who went alterntive route and survived. I've also been studying and useing alternative medicine on myself, friends, and family for 25 years and have seen many "miracles."  BUT I am too freaked out to be my own doctor right now as I cannot be objective.

Fortunately I found a Doctor of chinese Medicine and am under his care.  It took me months to find him.  I am not from this part of the country and all "my people" are back in South Florida, (3400 miles away). 

This doctor is apparently quite saught after from people all over the world.  Chinese medicine is out of my league and I don't understand it much.  It usually takes months to get an appointment with him and I'm guessing people aren't traveling from all over the world for a tooth ache.  So I did find out after I got too see him that he is a cancer specialist amoung other serious diseases, but cancer is his number one and his is a genious when it comes to chinese herbs.

I will not tell you his name but I will tell you how to find an expert in chinese cancer medicine in your area.  Just make an appointment with a few actupuncturists and ask them what they would do if they found out they had cancer.  That's how I found my doctor and a little peace of mind.

So far the only testimony I can give is I felt 90 years old for 10 weeks after surgery just from walking from the car to the house and I was getting worse.  Something was "off" and I knew it.  Within 24 hours of seeing this doctor I felt like I was 50 years younger.  I could walk again without getting so fatigued I'd have to sit down every few feet and finally got that bloody hospital bed out of the living room!

There is a cure for this cancer inside my own body.  But my biggest fear is fear itself and the bocking of the flow of energy from the life-giving energy of the liver. I'm talking about healing the emotions and I don't think I am going to be able to pull that off.

Today I hit rock bottom while trying desperately to find words of encouragement in here as I read the gospel of opinions from those terrifying pro-chemo people who are just plain mean on this thread.  I was in that dangerous place of apathy where you are locked inside a dark room with no windows without enough desire to even feel around on your hands and knees to find the escape hatch or at the very least a bloody door knob.

I'm not suicidal but really didn't want to live like this anymore in so much fear of it coming back, or is it even gone yet?  There is zero quality of life if I have to live like this for the rest of it.

I really need to get some spirituality (not religion) back into my life, otherwise I'm not going to make it.

I could use a few good thoughts and smiles sent my way.

Thanks for listening

Momine

Gracewriter, I am sorry you are so scared and I hope you get to a better state of mind soon.

abigail48

regarding itamin D2:  in "Mushrooms for health" by greg a marley, drying shitake in the sun makes it contain miriads of the D vitamine.  perhaps too much:  be catious

Leia

gracewriter, I originated this thread. My diagnosis was less than yours. Diagnosed 5/5/2006, IDC, 2cm, Stage I, Grade 1, 0/3 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-

But you did say it, yourself: "There is a cure for this cancer within my own body."

With that statement, alone, you can pull this off. Plus, by doing everything that you said you were doing, the Doctor of Chinese Medicine. And as you also said, "Within 24 hours of seeing this doctor I felt like I was 50 years younger."

You are doing everything that you can do for yourself. You just need to trust yourself! You are doing what is right, for you. 

It has become unfortunate that even on this supposedly "Alternative Medicine" thread the as you said "chemo nazis" have infiltrated. When I first visited here in May, 2006, there was no "Alternative" thread. And I just had to sort through it all.

But this one poster, MarieS was my key; her reasonable, rational posts on these irrational threads gave me the confidence to refuse the radiation. Although, it took me a long time. I actually went to the first radiation appt.where they do the CT scan to do whatever and then they gave me this consent form; I refused to sign it and I just walked out. And I was walking on air, I was so happy. 

But back to you, gracewriter, don't live in fear, live in hope. As I said, that was 2006; No treatments, other than the lumpecctomy, seven years later no recurrence. Of course, for my part, I'm on the FOCC, my D3 level is 80, I drink a quart of veggie juice/day. There is a cure for cancer, in my body, but I have to help it. Which is what I am doing. As you are. 

I did spend a lot of time, at first, trying to get the docs to agree with my shall we say, not mainstream views. But that is impossible. They are the mainstream; they will never agree. At the end, you have to accept that you do know what is right for your own body. And have the courage to fight for yourself.

With my tiny cancer, I was never offered chemo. But even if I had had Stage 4 cancer, I would have refused Chemo. Instead, I would have gone on the Budwig Protocol full time. Chemo will definitely kill you; the Budwig has been known to cure even Stage 4 people. 

And you do not have to live in fear, either. You are already under treatment with the Chinese doctor; do not listen to those pro chemo people. You have found something that works, for yourself. As have I. And that is all that we need. 

digger

Leia,

I do believe inserting an "in my opinion" before your proclamation "chemo will kill you" would perhaps be more appropriate and would get the "pro chemo Nazis" off your back.  Of course, everyone makes their own decisions, but declaring that your opinion is a fact, such as chemo will most definitely kill gracewriter, is a bit fear-mongering.  At least in my opinion.  

GlobalGirlyGirl

gracewriter - Love and hugs your way.  As Leia said, "don't live in fear, live in hope." I think almost all of us, whether using conventional or alternative therapies, are afraid of recurrence. This is where I "let go, and let God."

I hope and pray you find peace of mind.   

Leia

GlobalGirlyGirl, you are correct in one sense; In the end you have to "let go, and let God."

The tag line of a web site that I visit several times a day, zerohedge.com has this statement; "On a long enough time line the survival rate for everyone drops to zero."

Of course, zerohedge.com is an economics web site, but the basic premise holds true. In the end, we are all going to die. Of something. The kicker is putting off that "something" as long as possible. 

Maybe that is where I disagree with you, GlobalGirlyGirl. I do not think we have to be passive. And just "let go." In the end, we will end up "letting God," by dying. Nobody escapes that. But in the meantime, we can do a lot to continue our lives. Healthily. By paying attention to our bodies and eating healthy food. 

By doing that we can live the years that we do have left happily and healthy.