INSOMNIACS place to talk in the wee hours

Anonymous

Chevy, thanks for sharing the photo of Lacee. She will always be in your heart. This is for you:

http://petloss.com/rainbowbridge.htm

Lost my sweet Callie cat almost a year ago. I miss her and sometimes it still hurts. She was my cat-dog.

Anonymous

sassy, thanks for the vote of confidence! I keep telling myself I need to shut down the technology at least by 11, midnight tops so I get a full night of sleep. Seems like no matter what time I fall asleep, for some reason or another, I'm up between 6 and 7. Not sure I want the responsibility of helping newbies in the wee hours

camillegal

Chevy the pic is beautiful--it's so sad.

crog234

Chevy. So sorry for your loss....

Cindy

sas-schatzi

Littlegoats, oh that place sounds fun. I only go clothes shopping once a year LOL--maybe.............junking as much as possible. Good Luck on selling Bucky. How about Craig's List?

LMG---LOL I got to paragraph 5 and went DUH- preaching to the choir. You know either everything I've written or most, but I will leave it here. Maybe someone else will read an ask there doc, or do something different.

I did a search on NSAIDS b/c Wren asked what was the best.  I learned allot as a result. I have a particular dislike for tylenol(not a NSAID) and NSAIDS b/c they have been connected to permanent hypertension(HTN). Predictably, I would have developed HTN in my 70's. I was 56. I searched at that time-feb 2006. I was suspicious of tylenol b/c it was my only long term drug. I used it as a sleeper. I googled Tylenol and hypertension . There was a major study from 2005 that showed a connection between Tylenol and NSAID use and development of HTN.  I wanted to do a relook at the subject since it had been so long.

With this new search there is a 2007 NIH study that looked at all the NSAIDS and tylenol. It has 190 citations. They stated in the introduction that they effectively wanted to create a work that would become the seminal resource in use of these drugs in pain management. i.e. cover all the bases. IT is the absolute most BORING study I have ever read. They did however accomplish their purpose. A PCP/ARNP.>>>>>>pain mgt doc can look at pt hx, pt condition, and make a choice of drug.

How it affected me is I wasn't aware of the negative cardiac affects of heart attacks and stroke re:NSAIDS. That just never came on my radar, if it did, I forgot. DBF has been using Advil. His risk factors indicate that if he's going to use a NSAID, it should be Ibuprofen(Motrin)b/c in the scoring system, it's the least troublesome of the group. So the links I sourced for Wren and then my references to the search later was what that was all about.

I'll add that it pisses the shit out of me that docs encourage the use of or even require it's use for pain , and thhat a patients pain must fail the use of these drugs to go to the next level of drugs for pain control. They make a big deal in patient teaching about the gastrointestinal stuff like bleeding and ulcers which is important. but krips the negative impact on the total cardiovascular system is BIG. Frankly it's a major public health issue. 

The outcomes of uncontrolled hypertension are: Stroke, the gamut of cardiac problems from heart attack/chf/cardiomyopathy/kidney failure/peripheral vascular disease. There are many drugs available to control HTN. But it's way better to not get it. If I knew there was a connection with the drug I used as a sleeper, I would never have used it.--

sas-schatzi

BTW Thyroidectomy scheduled for Feb 28th

Teka

I'll make a mental note!   *Hug*

Chevyboy

Sass, why are they taking it out?   One of my gal-friends had a malignancy in her Thyroid, and they took it out, and she is just on medication now.... this was about 7 years ago, and she is doing well! 

And talking about NSAIDS.... etc..... I think ANYthing we put into our bodies, if on a regular schedule will cause some problems....   Sometimes they aren't as disruptive to our bodies as others, but there is still a chance, that "safe"  OTC meds will react differently on some of us. 

All the warning labels are there, just that I for one, don't always pay attention to even the over-the-counter meds warning labels.....   Like Melatonin, for example....  When I was on Tamoxifen, I couldn't sleep, so the most natural thing I could take was Melatonin..... which within a couple weeks, I had diarrhea..... So THEN I finally had to take Immodium AD.... like 4 or more a day!  After about a Month of this....I  finally I just stopped the Melatonin, AND the Immodium, and I had no more problems.... But the Tamoxifen started it all..... 

Spookiesmom

Luv. Sas must have missed this. One is naproxen the other is ibuprofen. I forget which is which. So not the same. 

luvmygoats

Gosh Spookie you're so right. Aleve is not the same as Motrin/Advil/Ibuprofen. But Sassy is talking about getting DBF off of Advil and onto Motrin/Ibuprofen. Those are all the same thing.

Actually I'm not taking as many Advils as I was. I still take them if I have to bathe the dog but that's lots of leaning over, bending, kneeling sometimes and scooping up water. Most days I forget to take them in the morning anyway.

Blessings2011

RATS!!!!!!! Had a big l

Honkin' long post written and lost it!

Back later....

sas-schatzi

LMG' see if you can read it? it's the  NIH report-----try as a nurse-----I'd never ask a lay person to read it ?

Teka

RATS!!!!!!!

sas-schatzi

LMG's I so know what it is to bath dogs. The  britts--I snapped and they jumped on the washer and dryer--waited to be put in the tub

Loved Britts---Had them for 20 years----- but they would rub themselves at the neck with the stinkiest thing.

Last house--OMG just remebering---the first thing we did was put in a sink to wash the britts.

Spookiesmom

Luv. My knees won't let me give the dogs baths like that any more. The spine either. I have a small plastic step stool I put in the tub, then sit on it. Have a hand held shower thingy use for rinsing them. Works pretty well for this creaky old body. 

Teka

Our last dogs were 3 sweet gentle female brittany spaniels.   Sisters!

Wren44

One of the houses featured in our weekly Sunday magazine featured a dog washing shower. The people without dogs thought it was ridiculous. Those with dogs wanted one for themselves. I would have loved one when I had a dog.

Spookiesmom

Teka, my dad had Brittany's when I was little. The last 2 were brothers. Tom and Jerry. Something scared Tom and he went gun shy. Jerry loved to hunt, we had quail and pheasant frequently, thanks to him. 

Pretty dogs too. Did you know they are the only Spaniel that will point?

sas-schatzi

To all lovers of pets-----This is brought to mind b/c o f Lacee-------we have to pre-plan,,,just like for us. I've buried my sweet animals at each house. In a do over, I would have made a different choice. Dh is in a box in the bedroom. In a do over with all my dog lovey's. I now think I would have chosen cremation for each. Add to a unified box and their tags placed in a crystal dish or on thr christmas tree. We think to often of these things late.

Teka

The girls had webbed toes and loved the water!

Teka

We didn't have their dewclaws removed at the request of our vet!  

Spookiesmom

My last 2 were cremated, will be sprinkled with me around Ocala. Supposed to be a green cemetery up there. 

Teka

We buried our pets and moved on with fond memories!   *Hugs*

sas-schatzi

Teka I buried MY pets in each yard, in a place that no one would think to dig up. Under the cherry tree. In the park space behind us that dipped into a severe ravine

Dear Teka what I hope to do with Ds is guide him better than I had guidance. My parents guided. I guided, but I was a panther. As a panther, he doesn't know or perceive I'm there. It's in words, strategically placed. Then the ---space did the words work. It's been going on since 9 months, now 29

We all have our approach. then we pray it works. 

tangandchris

Okay, I am freaking out right now. I had my TE's removed yesterday, I just took off the ace bandage around my breast area and ran my hand over the left side. I still feel a hard pointy object inside of the skin flap. WTF??? It feels like the expander is in there still, or something else. I'm really wondering wth is going on. I honestly can't take this anymore! Did the surgeon screw something up??

Holeinone

Tang..aka tangerine...

Shit girl, sorry this is happening. Is it sore ? Do you have a fever? I know nothing about this, so my advice would be take a pain pill, call the Dr. In the morning. That could be bad advice...

Maybe Sas or Blessings or someone that has had those T.E. will come along soon. Hate to say this but recon sounds dreadful.

Teka

sas, I'm sorry, but don't understand------------is Ds------------Dear son?

Teka

Sweet Dreams!!

tangandchris

Thanks Holeine-I'm straight up freaked out right now. I go to see the IV doctor tomorrow, will have her have a look at it and see what she says. This is in the morning.

Holeinone

tangandchris, good, I am glad you already have an appt. hang in there...