INSOMNIACS place to talk in the wee hours

Chevyboy

Cammi!  You and Joey!

sas-schatzi

Owlettes another glorious day,and the night has been very BUSY. Off to a brunch 

Wren here's the referrence

http://hyper.ahajournals.org/content/46/3/500.shor...

1. Correspondence to John P. Forman, Channing Laboratory, Third Floor, 181 Longwood Ave, Boston, MA 02115. E-mail jforman@partners.org

Abstract

Acetaminophen, ibuprofen, and aspirin are the most commonly used drugs in the United States. Although the frequency of their use has been associated with hypertension, prospective data examining the dose of these drugs and risk of hypertension are lacking. Furthermore, whether certain indications for analgesic use, particularly headache, mediate the association is unclear. We conducted 2 prospective cohort studies among older women 51 to 77 years of age (n=1903) from the Nurses’ Health Study I and younger women 34 to 53 years of age (n=3220) from the Nurses’ Health Study II who completed detailed supplemental questionnaires pertaining to their analgesic use and who did not have hypertension at baseline. We analyzed incident hypertension according to categories of average daily dose of acetaminophen, nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs, and aspirin. Information on indications for analgesic use as well as relevant confounders was also gathered prospectively. Compared with women who did not use acetaminophen, the multivariable adjusted relative risk for those who took >500 mg per day was 1.93 (1.30 to 2.88) among older women and 1.99 (1.39 to 2.85) among younger women. For nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs, similar comparisons yielded multivariable relative risks of 1.78 (1.21 to 2.61) among older women and 1.60 (1.10 to 2.32) among younger women. These associations remained significant among women who did not report headache. Aspirin dose was not significantly associated with hypertension. Higher daily doses of acetaminophen and nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs independently increase the risk of hypertension in women. Because acetaminophen and nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs are commonly used, they may contribute to the high prevalence of hypertension in the United States.

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oops BBL 

Chevy your so funny

Hello Tang:)

Chevyboy

I remember the ENT Doc telling me about hearing loss from Aspirin...

http://www.doctoroz.com/videos/link-between-pain-r...

badger

hi all, haven't been here for several days and holy chit lots to catch up on.  ♥ you guys

Was listening to oldies station in the car the other day, and this song played, a classic from the 5th Dimension I hadn't heard in years.  The DJ mocked it by saying what a nonsense song.  I thought, well geez I get it, and I know a whole group of people who would get it - the Owlettes!  Maybe not, but it reminds me of this thread and its denizens so thought I'd share.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMF5eIyMsEc

Love’s Lines Angles and Rhymes

Songwriter: Dorothea Joyce

Love leads the lines of love
In circles and angles
Love runs deep like a tunnel
With a pendulum beat

That touches the heart
In many directions
Moving the mind
In silent reflections

Of the lines that touch
The corners and fibers
Of the feeling that keeps
Running inside you

Cycles of fears
With the longing and tears
Letting out the
Needs and laughter

Of sunshine, love shine
Touching the fibers of
The feeling inside you
Letting out the things you hide
Oh, yeah

Need leads the lines of
Love in circles and angles
Need runs deep like a
Tunnel with a pendulum beat

That touches the heart
In many directions
Moving the mind
In silent reflections

Of the lines that touch
The corners and fibers
Of the feeling that keeps
Running inside you

Cylinders of hope
Turning and yearning
Into pendulums of
Weary hesitation
Contemplation

Of the angles and rhymes
And the triangle lines
The feeling touching
Mine with time

Want leads the lines of love
In circles and angles
Want runs deep like a
Tunnel with a pendulum beat

That touches the heart
In many directions
Moving the mind
In silent reflection

Of the lines that touch
The corners and fibers
Of the feeling that
Keeps running inside you

Cylinders of hope
Turning and yearning
Into pendulums of
Weary hesitation
Of the angles and rhymes
Of the circles and lines
With the tunnels of
Love running over
Taking the line and
Triangle rhyme and twisting it
To bend the mind
In all directions

tangandchris

I'm baaaaaack lol

Well, I got some sleep, but man not enough! Alot of my stuff is the fact that I can't shut my mind off. Why is it though that my 4 year old can go from a deep sleep to ready for the day within seconds??? whew...wish I had what she does.

I have surgery tomorrow ladies, keep me in your thoughts and prayers. I'm having TE's removed to get an infection under control.

Teka

Good Morning!!

Welcome Newbie Owlettes!!!

Holeinone

Welcome Tangandchris,  I will be in your pocket tomorrow, lots of positive energy bouncy around. Those TE sounds like painful trouble.

2ndtimeMaddy, I hope you are sleeping & NO more migraines

Chevy, great stories about your grandsons...cute owl of Joey & Cami

Alyson, who are you rooting for? Nadel or Stan...

Good morning all.....Happy Sunday....

camillegal

Good Morning I slept good and late this morning.

Tang u didn't say u were having surgery no wonder u'r mind is going all over the place. OK u'r getting things taken out? This is another big project--we'll be with u in spirit and when u wake up just think of all the owl faces u'll see and hopefully we'll put a smile on u'r face.

Chevy I didn't come here first I should have to find out about Lacee--if she's walking just a bit better it's a good thing--I'm so glad she see the Dr. tomorrow too.

Maddy I never took u'r question about Joey in any way negative--I know I talk about him to much but living with him he's my fun. hahaha and as he puts it he'll be entering into the double digits this year meaning more responsibility. He's just a goofy kid. But he treats me like I'm so special so I feel that way.

It's Sunday and supposed to get horrifically cold tonite thru Wed. we had more snow last nite well with these lousy wind chill things like 50 below, oh maybe 40 below whew big difference. So my SIL is running all over the place to get things done today--A lot of schools have closed already because they don't want kids outside waiting for a bus, plus teachers drive in from all over. so we'll see.

camillegal

Chevy we sounded like we weren't crazy in our last posts, we don't want to scare Tang away, like u have with so many others--cuz of u'r craziness. We done good.

sas-schatzi

Hey owlettes, just home from brunch. My other addiction ---i love going to eat with friends. First addiction is thrifting. Found two pieces of glass yesterday. 

Wren, that article was from 2005. it's the one I found when I was dx'd with hypertension in feb 2006.The article was effectively hot off the presses then.  My only drug at the time was tylenol or tylenol pm. Not fair to the subject if I don't see if I can find any newer research than 2005.  I'll let you now either way. But I'll catch up reading first LOL, the owlettes were busy busy.

Anonymous

Chevy, just for the record, we don't "let" you and Cami hang around, we need you both to hang around! You keep us from getting too serious, keep us on our toes. Wouldn't be the same without you!

Cami, your avatar is Joey, right? Hard to see the picture clearly on my iPad even when I make it larger. Boys are so much fun at that age! It's too bad I was going thru so much chit with my DS/step son then, we missed having good fun times like you're having with Joey. He was 8 when I met him but his birth mom had him so messed up it took lots of years (and counseling) before he finally got how much I love him, wanted him to succeed and have a great life and that I wasn't leaving him. (His birth mom went cuckoo after he was born and hasn't been in his life for over 25 of his 31 years.) Enjoy all the precious time you have with him, it is shaping him to be a better person now and his future. Can't beat unconditional love!

Hi1 - thanks! No more migraines! That is, till our dry winds return. At least next time (hopefully there won't be one) I'll treat differently, no more sinus meds. 

T&C, you didn't mention surgery, that makes a world of difference! Keep busy and don't think of it, have as much as possible! And a little Xanax doesn't hurt! Hospital stay or out-patient?

Sassy, what kinds of glass do you collect? Glad you got to get out with friends.

sas-schatzi

Cami, I love your stories about Joey. So wish my DS would find someone. I want to be able to do things with the Grandkids.But casa sa ra sa ra...?...

Chevy, Lacee >>hugs

Maddy I wish I could send you some of my sleeping dust or whatever it is......figuretively, I'm in a bit of good sleeping time, but haven't counted the days. Pains been better too. it kind of drives me crazy when this happens b/c I keep trying to figure out if I've changed something........If i have, I'd keep on doing it...........but clueless 

Tang in your pocket tomorrow.

LeeAwhoot we used to joke in nursing school learning or drugs, that we could say>>>nausea, vomiting, constipation, diarrhea, and _________(one more)........Littlegoats, Blessings, GarmmaB-----how could I forget the fifth.  Anyhoot, I agree we could say insomnia too. Pain meds.&  AI's ARE big culprits for me. BTW I was reading what I wrote on "Panicking about pain" DUH forgot what my doc told me about OXY and other narcs. i.e that if narcs are taken on a regular basis the problem of sleeplessness will go away. I don't take mine on a regular basis so, I guess I'll have to put up with sleeplessness.

OH TEKA, you sound particularly HAPPY today, I'm happy for you

Love the OWLS Aly & Chevy. Owls are just so cool 

Okay off to see what's new in hypertension

sas-schatzi

NSAIDS , tylenol , Aspirin, and Hypertension: I'm going to add links as I find them with a short note about what I think off the article.

This is from WebMD from 2002, it's old, but had similar findings to the 2005 Journal of Hypertension--JH article. I am looking for more recent articles, but the value of the WebMD article is it uses lay language. The abstract from JH2005 can leave you scratching your head with the technical mumbo jumbo

http://www.webmd.com/hypertension-high-blood-press...

Full JH article not just the abstract

http://hyper.ahajournals.org/content/46/3/500.full...

This article is from the Government. Do not read it unless you feel like punishing your self. BUT I will post a couple of things from it. This article will NOT let me cut and paste. NSAIDS have cardiac and gastrointestinal problems, but do have a good pain relief score.I will leave it here for now, until I can find a better article. I need a nap just from reading it. I did say it was written for the government right? I decided to leave this article link here. It was produced in 2007. It is the resource for other published articles.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC185533...

This page is from a patient center web site from St Mark's Hospital. This is on the pain relievers. You may want to wander around the web site to see what they have to offer. I did. I was impressed, nicely done topics and they keep it simple.

http://stmarksspinecenter.com/your-health/?/25140/...

This is an article on heart attack. I will post the section referring to:

NSAIDs and COX-2 Inhibitors

All nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs) -- with the exception of aspirin -- carry heart risks. NSAIDs and COX-2 inhibitors may increase the risk for death in patients who have experienced a heart attack. The risk is greatest at higher dosages, but not necessarily for length of time.

NSAIDs include nonprescription drugs like ibuprofen (Advil, Motrin) and prescription drugs like diclofenac (Cataflam, Voltaren). Celecoxib (Celebrex) is currently the only COX-2 inhibitor that is available in the U.S. It has been linked to cardiovascular risks, such as heart attack and stroke. Patients who have had heart attacks should talk to their doctors before taking any of these drugs.

The American Heart Association recommends that patients who have, or who are at risk for, heart disease first try non-drug methods of pain relief (such as physical therapy, exercise, weight loss to reduce stress on joints, and heat or cold therapy). If these methods don't work, patients should take the lowest possible dose of acetaminophen (Tylenol) or aspirin. COX-2 inhibitors, such as celecoxib (Celebrex), should be the last resort.

the link to above if interested in reading more about heart attack a to z. 

http://www.nytimes.com/health/guides/disease/heart...

Going to quit for now. 

Basically, NSAIDS and Tylenol used at certain levels can/may lead to hypertension.  The first three links talk of the connection.

NSAIDS can lead to gastrointestinal problems and adverse cardiac events. So tread lightly. 

Tylenol is not considered a NSAID, but per the first two articles cited,  Tylenol is less risky than the NSAIDS in causing hypertension.Tylenol also has a better safety record re:heart and gastric problems, but it does not have the pain relief ability of the NSAIDS  Acetaminophen generic for Tylenol is included in 600 products by perscription and OTC. Tylenol has a greater liver toxcity than the NSAIDS. 

Make sure your Pharmacist does an interaction check between your other meds and the prescribed & OTC pain reliever

Wren44

Tang, We'll be there with you tomorrow. I'll behave, can't vouch for the others. And of course you're not sleeping before surgery.

Cami, I shared a bedroom with my great grandmother in 5th & 6th grades. She told priceless stories of growing up on the frontier in Missouri. Very similar to Little House on the Prarie.  (this makes me mad - if it knows it's spelled wrong, why won't it give me alternatives or the correct spelling?)  Those memories are priceless. Don't forget to talk about what it was like when you were his age. GS can't imagine life without TV.

Holeinone

Camicoldcami, we love all your Joey stories & how lucky for both of you to have that close relationship. 

Cold, foggy & moist here, I walked to breakfast..brrrr...we usually have very dry air, not used to this...

Alyson

Late night watching tennis, all very exciting.. However heard just as it ended that my DB is in hospital having had heart attack. He is OK evidently.

Looking for that coffee.

kathindc

Aly, saying prayers for your DB.  

Gingerbrew

Aly so glad to hear your brother is okay. My uncle felt the sign of a heart attack just outside a hospital and was treated very quickly for a good outcome.   I hope you evening is peaceful. 

Ginger

Gingerbrew

Wren I love your Grandma story. My Grandma was born at the turn of the century and when I was little she was widowed and very poor so her house was like one of many years before. No running water or electricity, a tiny fireplace in the living room /bedroom, a wood stove in the kitchen and a butter churn in the corner. Chicken lived under the house, there was a smoke house out back and a barn across the road. They plowed with a mule. Neighbors hired my Mom and mY grandma to plant tobacco for very little pay but it was a way to get some cash. My Grandma had some pigs and a few cows. I remember so much of it like yesterday and I am 68 years old.   After we ate lunch (dinner) a table cloth was put on the top of the table, to keep insects away, and we ate what was left for supper.   Such memories. 

Hugs GInger

Teka

Alyson, may your DB be on the mend!

sas-schatzi

Aly, you may want this link from my last post. I was working on hypertension and NSAIDS. This link is the a-z on heart attacks, maybe helpful. Praying.

http://www.nytimes.com/health/guides/disease/heart...

sas-schatzi

Wren, I did learn a bunch of stuff from the research. Read what you can from above.

The least problematic of the NSAIDS is Ibuprofen--motrin(heart/gastric), but they all can lead to hypertension. 

Tyelnol ls the least risky leading to hypertension, it's safer then the NSAIDS, but doesn't have the pain relief ability of any of the NSAIDS.

tangandchris

So, Yes....my 3rd surgery tomorrow since 11/27. My experience with reconstruction up to this point has been a fiasco. So, tomorrow morning I'm getting my TE out on the left side for sure and I'm going to tell PS to take the right side as well. He'll probably try to talk me out of it, but I'm done with it for now.

Anyone cooking anything good tonight

Teka

French Fries ;o)

IllinoisLady

Always late, but always thinking about you all.  The piece below is just because I loved it:

Lilli

camillegal

COOKING? who talked about cooking? I don't consider that a useful use of time--but eating that another story--that a big problem I have.

Wren and Ginger I love the stories of how our parents. GP's did things, they worked so hard, I could never get enough of the stories my Dad would tell about Italy--he lived to be 96 but he probably made up some who knows but my sister and I listened to every one of them and we were in our 50's still asking and him still telling. And Joey was lucky to meet my dad so he loves to ask questions about when I was little and even when my dad was little and I love telling him those stories, but I had such a wonderful childhood that I like revisiting it too. When u look back and think about it weren't so many people characters? but at the time u didn't think that. hahaha

Smaarty

making meatloaf, 2 actually, one's going in the freezing for the next surgery. Need to start stocking up again. 

Tang, sorry you're having issues.

tangandchris

I made a beef enchileda casserole yesterday and today we are having leftovers. I like to cook, but I like to eat even better

 

Just sitting here with dh in the living room, he's watching the pro-bowl....zzzzz. I hate fake football!

Can someone explain the "in my pocket thing". I've seen it on another thread too.

Wren44

Sas, Thanks for the link. DH had a mild heart attack at age 49. They did an angiogram and CABG (5 bypasses). He did make changes in diet and exercise and has done well ever since. He's 74 now. He never did have high blood pressure. After surgery it was so low they kept asking him if he was dizzy.

Smaarty

in your pocket means that people are thinking about you  and that you're not alone in whatever is happening in your life, ie surgery, scans, appointments, etc. we're being supportive.

What time are you going in tomorrow?