I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange

Anonymous

Belinda - LOVE Maggie Smith....thanks

Bren-2007

Hey Everyone!

It's a gorgeous day in SW Virginia.

I watched the debate last night.  I was not impressed at all.  Pres. Obama seemed off his game and Mitt was a grinning idiot.  I guess Mitt thinks it's acceptable to make things up as he goes along.  And what was up with that stupid comment about "your plane, your house, but not your facts?" 

It just appeared that Mitt felt if he could talk louder and be ruder, he would win the debate.  Can't get over how he said with a huge grin on his face that he would cut off funding to PBS. 

I'm looking forward to the Biden debate.  I love that guy.  I want to see him knock Ryan out of the ballpark.

Belinda .. your graphics made me laugh out loud.

Blue .. thinking of you today and wondering if you've heard from your doctor yet.

Athena .. you're on my mind as well.  I hope the HRT will help you.  I know I sure felt better when I was taking hormones.

hugs,

Bren

pip57

My favourite line of the night was Romney.  "People tend to put their money in the place that they love."  I wished that Obama had asked if that was 'offshore' for Mitt.

Belinda44

For anyone wondering about the "war on women," here is a good, short article by Senator Barbara Boxer (from this past April).  It's quite educational.....

A few excerpts:

"While Republican Mitt Romney's campaign had to "get back" to a reporter last week on whether the candidate  supported equal pay for equal work, President Barack Obama signed the Lilly  Ledbetter Fair Pay Act as his first bill. In the Senate, we passed that bill with 56 Democrats, while 36 Republicans voted no.....

It doesn't end there. Republicans in Congress blocked an international treaty - the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women - even though the only other nations refusing to ratify it are Iran, Sudan, South Sudan, Somalia, Palau and Tonga....

Republicans voted against the Violence Against Women Act, which helps protect  women from domestic violence, when the bill was in the Senate Judiciary  Committee. They voted to repeal the health care law - including the part that  says no more gender discrimination in the pricing of health insurance policies  and the part that offers free preventive services like mammograms, STD  screening, well-woman visits and birth control....

The facts are the facts. The Republicans have launched a war on women.  Despite all the denials, women get it - and so do the men who care about  them."

Link to the full article:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0412/75143.html

For me, as a woman and a breast cancer survivor, the choice couldn't be any clearer come November.

1Athena1

Thanks, Bren. First, I hope the obgyn agrees. I see him next Friday at Johns Hopkins. I am not insured at the mo' so I am self pay - hope he doesn't start ordering too many tests! He has my history and he already performed an endometrial ablation on me to lessen the effects of my periods, so I am hoping he just says yes. I spend more days ill than not, though, as the symptoms get worse.

I say the jury is not out on estrogen and BC. Besides, I was only 10 percent er-pos and 1 percent pr-pos. Clearly, the vast majority of my cancer characteristics are still unknown to science. If I had been 100 percent er-pos I might pause.

alexandria58

Athena,  Keeping fingers crossed for you.  I tend to agree that the jury isn't completely in on estrogen.

so, I' ve heard rumors that Maggie Smith dies this year in Dalton Abbey.  Do you think Romney is making a guest appearance?

crazy4carrots

A "zinger" from the President:  "Romney wants to deregulate Wall Street, but wants to crack down on Sesame Street"

pupmom

Linda, love it!

QuinnCat

Lindasa - love it!

As James Lipton said about these great Obama retorts, thought of after leaving the party  - L'esprit de l'escalier!

crazy4carrots

For sure, Kam -- so many times I've thought of the perfect retort after climbing the stairs -- but too late!

gardengumby

Yeah - Obama was a little late with the wit.  The day after is "a day late and a dollar short" in my estimation. 

1Athena1

No, it's not too late. This debate won't mean anything. It won't change the result of the election. Don't get caught up in pundit-led hysteria. It is in the interests of the beltway that we see this as a turning point in the election so that we will still watch their self-absorbed coverage. But the pundits' herd mentality only gets them so far.

To me, the war of ideas is over, and what we should be concerned about is voter suppression.

Obama wouldn't have scored any extra points by bringing up the 47 percent. Everyone already knows about them.

So calm down, folks. And have faith in those escalier words!

gardengumby

OK.   I'm still miffed, though... 

I'm going to try to channel you so that I can cool down, Athena. 

QuinnCat

I tend to agree Athena....in any case, debates mean very little in the scheme of things and usually incumbents have a history of "losing" the first one.  Halfway smart people still know who the truth favors.  After the initial reaction, I'm thinking Obama's got even more video tape to add to the liar liar pants on fire vault.  And because his major stash of cash comes from the people, rather than those few billionaires wanting a tax cut  super-pacs, he is eligible for tv time at 20% of the rate these super-pacs can buy it at.  More etch-a-sketch commercials.....

gardengumby

Although I agree, whenever I read conservative blogs I really start to worry about just how many "halfway smart people" there are in this country.  I'm afeard  the number are way two lo (and yes, my spelling is a joke - in case you were wondering...)

IllinoisLady

It was not my neatest, nicest day.....after last night, but after having had all day to digest and think about things I tend to think Athena as well as the majority of those here are able to look beyond the style versus substance.  There really are numbers that can't possibly add up, great and grave flip-flopping on everything and a rather odd, smiling countenance for the better part of the whole 90 minutes.  It was the same boring un-empathetic out of touch person with a steroid boost.  No one can smile that long...don't think its possible.  In fact, though I've already read ( should have did a c/p the minute I saw it ) that Mitty went out for breakfast, got a bit enthused over himself and did a little more tongue-stepping again.  Seems when he is left on his own and ad-libbing things don't go well for him.  Missing his cue cards......

Jackie

alexandria58

Also, someone from his campaign immediately walked back Romney's statement that he would cover pre-existing conditions - unless you are already covered by insurance, (in which case, you don't need coverage for pre-existing conditions.)

QuinnCat

Garden - I wasn't talking about Conservatives.....empirically, they don't care about the truth or they wouldn't be supporting Mr R.  I was speaking to the undecided, though to this day, I do not understand how one can be an "undecided anything" at this point.  Maybe "too busy to have an opinion yet" is a better term.

1Athena1

Yeah...I lose more respect for "undecided" in every cycle. I do think it really means "U...hhhh I haven't read the papers/seen television/barely know who the president is."

IllinoisLady

Oh here....I found it, but maybe you havew all read it already. 

After his performance at the debate last night, with a record 27 lies, myths or distortions last night, he must have felt
that was not enough as he showed up unexpectedly at Colorado's Conservative
Political Action Conference bright and early first thing this morning to share
some more. While at the conference Mr. Romney had these words to say:

Last
night I thought was a great opportunity for the American people to see two very
different visions for the country. And I think it was helpful to be able to
describe those visions. I saw the president's vision as trickle-down government
and I don't think that's what America believes in. I see instead a prosperity
that comes through freedom. We have two very different courses for America -
trickle-down government or prosperity through freedom.

//
//

This
is a confusing statement, and a bad mis-step for a man who just came off of a
debate where he came across as a bully and well as a liar. The term "trickle-down" is a
Republican talking point, discussing their economic plan. He is now using it as
a measurement of failure, undermining his own economic platform, built on
trickle-down. Then he claims prosperity through freedom, but that is some new
buzzword right there with "we built it." In one ear and out the other with the
electorate. For a man who supposedly won, he is failing to capitalize on it, and
instead is sounding as out-of-touch as ever.

Romney
talks about how he has a vision and explained it, but his message last night was
about avoiding explaining anything, and was instead a dance around the issues.
If there was a vision last night, nobody saw it. Instead they saw the glass
smile and perfect hair of a well-groomed corporate shark who was praying to God
that nobody would notice that he performed dozens more "Mitt-Flops."

 Jackie

gardengumby

Don't mind me and my paranoia...  I will be SO glad when this election is over!!!!

RetiredLibby

GG, your paranoia is completely justified! It's not actually paranoia - it's the voice of experience. I have two sayings I resurrect every 4 years:



1. Never underestimate the stupidity of the American electorate (qualified in recent years to add ... that elected George W. Bush TWICE after he lied this country into a war after ignoring a clear and present danger).



--and--



2. Never underestimate the uncanny ability of the Democrats to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.



Dems are getting better at fighting back, but we are still inexpert at it.



I agree with everyone that anyone who is "undecided" at this point is probably not paying attention or doesn't care. The choice is very clear, and anyone who is truly undecided should have had their minds bluntly made up with "47%." However, see #1.



We can only do what we can do. Now we work to get out the vote and to prevent voter suppression. We remember in November, and we remind others to remember, too.



L

gardengumby

Dems are much more easy-going in general.  Has anyone taken a look at how much the country has changed (electorally speaking) over the last 40 years?  I'll look back to see if I can find the link again, but the entire country was pretty red for a number of years. 

kad2kar

   Can someone explain 2 things to me.PLEASE?

1. EXACTLY what is clean coal or is it King Cole?

2. How can I tell if I'm Con,Lib,R or L ,Pro or Con.  I AM voting for OBAMA but Ialso voted for ARNOLD and ARPIAO.  ------------kad2kar

208sandy

Clean Coal doesn't exist except in the minds of the Coal Industry PR people - clean coal technology has been researched for at least the last 30 years maybe longer - the idea was to take the coal gas and push it underground so far it couldn't come back up and pollute the atmosphere (this is the simplified version obviously) - anyway they haven't been able to complete the technology so far and may never be able to - I worked for many years for a company who had a patent on a coal gasification process (that's where my tiny bit of knowledge comes from) and for any of you who want to attack because I am on the "other side of the border" we Canadians have an interest in the U.S. Coal Industry's polluting ways because we suffer from "acid rain" thanks to "not clean coal".

As to your voting patterns Kad - I don't know what to tell you but they certainly are interesting choices - guess you'd be called an Independent?!

alexandria58

Clean coal is an oxymoron.

QuinnCat

The reviews are in:

 

208sandy

Alexandria - Exactly!

rosemary-b

On a different subject...do you remember my cat with stomatitis? Well about four months after he had the last of his teeth pulled he got another infection in his jaw. He had a laser treatment and was put on prednisone antibiotics and morphine. (Oh what fun.. 3 medications twice a day for an uncooperative cat)

THEN they finally tested him for bartinella, the gram negative bacteria that causes cat scratch fever. Some vets think it causes up to 80% of stomatitis. None of his vets did but the dentist decided to see if this was the culprit after this last episode, The bacteria  caused an autoimmune response in his gums. He has to have up to 4 more laser treatments and will be on antibiotics for up to six moths.

It can only be spread to the other cat by fleas so they both have to be on  Revolution year round.

So now we finally have the cause.

IllinoisLady

Sandy....I've always liked Canada and spent small amts. of time there as my first husband's mother was French Canadian.  Well remember ( we did it nearly every time )  crossing over to Canada via the underground/water tunnel that spanned the Detroit River.  Actually spooky with trickles of water coming down the walls. I was always glad to reach the destination point either side. Always felt Canada ( though we never were really more on the edge....I think it was Amherstburg ( Alberta ) Canada.  After all these years could be wrong about (Alberta ).

The above is something I have pretty much being seeing since I came home.  On the news just now it was said that Romney feels free now as in...liable to say anything again.   Was on Fox and tying up loose ends about the 47 %, which is another way to say denial.  If I were he, I'd try and recall how much information is out there ( at least a yr's worth on nearly anything and everything ) so trying to whitewash it all now when so much of it is on tape, on some items several times.....that is going to be a real sleight of hand. 

Jackie