I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange

YramAL

Is there anybody else here who thinks Ducky is Shokk? The writing style is the same-(all the elipses......I think that's what they're called........) and the last day Shokk posted was a week before Ducky posted and Shokk never came back. 

Doesn't really matter-I just thought it was interesting and perhaps coincidental.

Kindergarten

Dear Medigal, You know that I did not mean it that way, I think that I have been very cordial here today, just trying to keep peace but also trying to give my opinion.

Medigal

Kinder:  Your opinion was appreciated as usual.  I am just gun-shy of certain words which bring the Mods upon us and was just trying to help you understand what they are.  You certainly are most polite and cordial in your postings.  We both want the same thing for this group.  Peaceful interactions.

leggo

YramAl, I thought the same thing. Guess we'll never really know.

Kindergarten

Thank you, Medigal, well said!!!!

Anonymous

Do you ladies really believe that someone would go to the trouble of pretending to be newly diagnosed and carry on with the hoax for over a month just to be able to come in here and disapprove of the conversation?  Really? 

You are also just a bit off on your facts.  Ducky was a member for nearly a month before shokk's last post.  You owe her an apology for accusing her of pretending to be someone she isn't.  Come to think of it, you owe shokk one too.

I think that Ducky is probably representative of the kind of people who are stumbling onto this thread when it pops up on the active topics page, and are so offended by some of the things here that they report posts.  Now let me make this clear, especially since Ducky was not a member when posts were being reported left and right, I am in no way implying that she was involved in that, just that she is someone who is not a regular poster on this thread, saw something that she wanted to check out, and was offended by the content that she saw. 

River_Rat

Fried polenta topped with a simple tomato sauce and mozzarella cheese along with a salad here tonight.

YramAL

Shredded chicken, black beans, rice, and cheese on tortillas.

bluedahlia

Here's a little internet etiquette and a lesson in personal attacks.

If I say some people are stipid and ignorant, I am referring to some people.  That is not a personal attack, because I am not referring to a specific person.  However, If I say Obama and his tribal friends, I am posting a personal attack.  I mention Obama and I'm saying that his friends are tribal, in other words he is part of a tribe.  I mentioned a specific name. i.e. personal.  See the difference?  Then, if you add IMO, that is a safety valve, just like wearing a condom.

Sure I  will let one slip every once in a while, but I've been at this a long time and try to choose my words wisely.  This is not the only forum I belong to. I have NEVER had posts deleted like I have here and I have been a lot more colourful in discussions.

lassie11

This kind of combines the discussion about killing and the one about dinner from one of my favourite satirical group.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9s-k6cEC6ZI&feature=related

208sandy

Thanks for the kale chip recipes - when I was a small child (eons ago) we used to summer in New Brunswick and we ate Kale chips and I did so love them now that Kale is popular again I can make my own Kale chips - wonder if I'll still like them?

Sandy

otter

Tonight's dinner was boiled crawfish from our own pond!  (Plus rice and accompaniments of course.) 

Anyone have a recipe for sweet potato chips?  Would they be as easy as I imagine?

I bought a large jug of margarita mix today and made my first margarita of the season.  What I really like is the sweet-tart flavor of the mix, though, so mostly I just wave the fumes from the open tequila bottle over the glass, or maybe let a few drops of tequila fall in by accident.  This brand of margarita mix is actually 1% fruit juice; so it's more nutritious than regular soda pop (heh heh... which isn't saying much, I realize).

There was a show on TV tonight (Bio Channel) about The Mamas & The Papas. What if I recognized every single one of the songs?  I guess that means I might be qualified to offer evidence of life and death before Roe v. Wade.  But I'm going to pass on that opportunity...

otter

duckyb1

Patsmom, your right, I did stumble upon this thread......and I have no idea who that other person is that they are referring to.

I was not offended, just surprised...it takes a lot to offend me.  Been around the block more times then most here...I am 76 years old on April 24th, so have heard and seen a lot....

Would I or have I been involved in reporting any post..........not a chance......I wouldn't waste my time.  Like when you don't like a TV show........you have the power to turn it off.........You don't like someones company.......get up and leave..........You don't like something that someone is either debating or arguing about.............leave the thread..........But thanks Patsmom for having more sense, and consideration then some..........hugs to all of you

duckyb1

One last thing.............Loved the Polenta idea............I was married to an Italian who died very young at 57 of Pancreatic cancer...............We all know how those Italians can cook, and I learned from the best..........

We use to have a challange, and put little italian flags in the pan, to see how far a person could eat............lots of fun............This will be my last post.........just had to mention the Polenta

bluedahlia

Ducky, we have had experience with some who do come back with new names to emphasize their point.  I know you are not one of those because I know shokk, and she wiould not be afraid of putting her ideas on this thread.  Please do come back.  We are an outspoken group.  You look like you have a pretty thick skin (like I do) so don't be afraid.  We can't bite through the monitor, but I would like to pull some hair sometimes.  hehehehe!

Sorry to hear about your hubby.  My DD is dating a Northern Italian so everything is polenta this and polenta that.

bluedahlia

Yep Otter, anyone that recognizes all those songs is an expert.

Anonymous

208sandy wrote:

Shirley - if you find everything on this thread so upsetting why bother reading it and why bother posting.

Because, Sandy, last time I looked our constitution still upheld free speech.  I am not breaking any rules here.  I have just as much right to say what I want as you do.  I thing "our side" should be given if only in a few posts.  You see, I'm at the point I cannot stomach to much of the deception (lies) that the ubber left is putting out there....like...women won't be provided mammos if PP's funds were taken away.....or that old people will be forced to eat dog food....with the price of gas and food and clothing going up I doubt old people will be able to afford ANYTHING......I'm sorry.........I got off the subject.

AnneW

This from the people who brought you "death panels"????

Medigal

Good Morning Ladies!  Shirley's back and I just want her to know my breakfast "dog food" alias crappy "oatmeal" was delicious!  But she has a point.  Even the elderly who were wise enough to save (what a joke!) for their old age are lucky if they can get 1% interest unless they want to go so far out they will probably be dead before they can reach the longer term!   And Anne is about "death panels"???  Geez, it's so great to be in my tarnished tin can dogfood "golden years"!  All this and I can't even look forward to my favorite hero Dr. Kevorkian helping me to go "peacefully" when my time comes.  Oh well, just thought I would continue cheering everyone up this miserable gloomy morning where I am.  I think I will take out an extra can of dogfood and bring it to bed with me for lunch.   Have a great day ladies!

IronJawedBCAngel

I made the mistake of opening the page before logging in.
I am not sure what alternate reality people live in when they believe that denying women access to mammograms, pap smears, pelvic exams, blood pressure readings, and birth control is not going to result in more deaths from cancer, advanced gynocological disease, strokes, premature births, and unplanned pregnancies that are going to drive a higher demand for abortions.  Who is going to magically provide this health care at the same rate of payment for service?  The inequities in our health care system already result in a higher rate of death for the uninsured and underinsured, it is difficult for me to believe that any  woman would promote denying another health care. I have used Planned Parenthood.  Contrary to Mr. Beck's opinion, I am not, and have never been a hooker, and I have never had an abortion.  I utilized Planned Parenthood when I was young and had no insurance for my health care, and then returned several years back when I realized that they offer the best comprehensive gynocological exam, including the most accurate pap smear that most doctors offices do not offer because insurance companies do not want to pay.  I received those exams for far less than what they would have cost at my usual doctor's office.  I truly wish I had a Planned Parenthood to go to now, the closest is two hours away.

If you have a moral issue with Planned Parenthood, and are blessed enough to have the money, or health insurance to go else where, please do so. You do not have the right to impose your religious beliefs on the rest of the population.  I do not want my tax dollars going to pay for war, subsidies and tax relief for oil and coal companies, or to pay for Mitch McConnell's and Rand Paul's health care, but I too do not have the right to prevent that from happening.  No federal tax monies are going to provide abortions, the funds for other health care services are heavily audited, and that is enough for me.

Abortion has been part of society since 500-515 BC, where it was performed in China.  In 1550 BC, it was a part of Egyptian society.  Like prostitution, it is not going to go away just because you disagree with it.  Legal abortion provides a safer environment than the back alley butcher shops that existed before legalization.  The attempts to restrict access to abortion have resulted in suicides, and individuals attempting to perform their own abortions, resulting in additional death or life threatening injury.  My daughter has seen two patients come through the ER in the last two months who had attempted self abortion because of lack of means to get to a facility that performs them.  Our country ranks 41st in maternal death rates, so unplanned pregnacies put those women at risk of dying in delivery.  Our country's infant mortality rate ranks us at 33rd, so again, that baby is at higher risk of dying.  We have a high rate of premature births and medical complications resulting from interventions like c-sections, so even if a perfect world existed for the far right and abortion did not occur, women and babies will die.

I consider myself every bit as "pro-life" as those of you on the right.  The difference is I care about all life, and the quality of each life.  When you only stick up for the right to life of the unborn, while denying lifesaving health care to the already born, support the death penalty, and sending our young people to death and killing in war, it is difficult for me to buy into the "pro-life" label.  Maybe the name should be changed to pro-blastocyst, pro-zygote, or pro-embryo.  

Everyone is entitled to their religious beliefs and their opinions.  This is not a forum where we are going to change anyone's mind in regards to their beliefs on this subject.  However, I am not going to sit by and quietly watch while others try to deny women access to health care.  I am for healthy breasts and vaginas, and I stand with Planned Parenthood.  To those of you who get your health care easily because you are on Medicare, have great insurance, and the money to pay your out of pocket expenses, telling the rest of us that we can do without Planned Parenthood, Breast and Cervical Cancer Act funds, and other like programs, sounds very much like another in history who proclaimed to the hungry, "Let them eat cake!"   

Lobotomy I say!

lassie11

That's what I wanted to say - but you said it much more eloquently IJBCA.

rosemary-b

IJBCA

I made the same mistake of not logging in. I believe that there are a lot of us who are prolife. I do not believe in the abortion, death penalty, unjust wars(Oh the money we could have for social programs or tax cuts...but I digress) and deserting mothers when they leave the hospital with their babies.. Then there are some who say they are prolife but are truly only anti abortion,

There are also a lot of people who are just looking out for themselves. I talked to a woman on disability who said she did not think unemployment benefits should be extended, those people should go out and get a job. A lot of people can not see beyond their own situations.

For those of us who say we are Christian what we do to others we do to Jesus. So unless there are private programs that can handle the load if the govt cuts services to the poor (and private agencies in my area are not capable of handling a larger load) the govt services need to stay until those agencies and services are in place.

If a private agency can get people to self sufficency when a govt program cannot great. But as a Christian I believe that I am called to care for the least, whether they deserve it or not.

crazy4carrots

IJBCA -- You've experienced healthcare in both the U.S. and Canada.  I guess you could be considered an authority on the subject!  Thank you for your excellent and, as Lassie said, "eloquent" post.

Yes Anne, where DID those "death panels" (and several other hundred untruths) come from?  If I had a dollar for every one I read/heard during the healthcare debates, I'd be wealthy!  I note that even Senator Kyl (R-AR) managed to tell another one in the Senate last week (that 90% of Planned Parenthood activities were abortion).   Oh, then his aide said afterwards that his statement wasn't meant to be "factual".  Huh?????

molly52

That makes sense. News isn't factual so why should a Senator be factual???

Anonymous

Those death panels exist now, they just aren't formalized.  They exist every time someone makes a decision about someone else's access to care based on cost.  Insurance companies, and hospitals and doctors, and families and patients all make those kinds of decisions about the trade-offs of the cost of care vs. the value of the care (more time, less pain, the chance for a cure, etc.) on a daily basis.

The healthcare system that we are looking at (Obamacare) will make the decision making process more formalized and rigid because there will be less flexibility in obtaining funding from alternative sources for procedures that are initially denied.  I guarantee you they won't be called death panels, but no matter what they are called, quality assurance committees etc, they will result in people dying from being denied care that is considered too expensive. 

Wabbit

It wasn't meant to be 'factual' ... it was an intentional lie ... to put false propaganda out there.  And unfortunately it works ... that lie will be repeated over and over again to try to manipulate public opinion.  Who needs truth or honesty when lies suit your purpose so much better?  I'm just surprised that they admitted it. 

lassie11

So Patmom - you are saying that the death panels already exist via the insurance companies?

Bren-2007

Well .. the death panels already exist for medicaid patients in Arizona.

Bren

leggo

duckyb1, I owe you an apology for making a stupid assumption. I'm sorry.

Anonymous

IronJawedBCAngel wrote:

I truly wish I had a Planned Parenthood to go to now, the closest is two hours away.

I guess there are no low income women in need of services in your area if the nearest place they can go for government funded care from Planned Parenthood is two hours away?

Some people don't believe that government agencies could provide those basic health services as well and as cheaply as Planned Parenthood, yet you want to force everyone to deal with the government for their healthcare?  Do you believe that someone who is low income but pro-life should be forced to go to Planned Parenthood for their government funded basic health care because they are the only agency being funded to provide that care? 

Yes, abortion gets all mixed in with that, but Planned Parenthood has the ability to completely separate their abortion services from their other basic gynecological services, so there would be less basis for objections, they choose not to.  Perhaps it is time for the federal government to force the issue, or find alternate ways to deliver that basic care.