I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange

Anonymous

Medigal wrote:

I don't see why something called "Planned Parenthood" would be expected to provide Mammograms. 

The question comes up only because the president of PP went on television and claimed that if federal funding to PP was cut, low income women would not be able to get their mammograms.  Her interview was the first part of that video.  If PP doesn't provide mammograms, how would cutting funding to PP impact anyone getting a mammogram? 

Anonymous

bluedahlia wrote:

Maybe I should have made myself clearer re. the video.  I'm talking about all the phone calls.  How can you be sure that they are real and not staged?

I realized after I posted that you were probably talking about the phone calls.  You do know that PP does not provide mammos so I don't believe there's a problem with the video.  Also, I trust my source.  I signed up for emails from Priests for Life...the organization that brought Baby Joseph (finally after getting Canada to release his medical records) from Canada because the hospital and government wanted to pull Baby Joseph's breathing tube.  His parents wanted the doctors to put a trach in so they could take Baby Jospeh home to die like they did their daughter.  The government was trying to force the parents to sign papers to have the tube removed and they would not.  I did not read that....I heard it straight from the father of the baby.  So, my info and link came from a source I believe to be truthful.  Would you want your baby's tube pulled if you thought you could take him/her home to die?

And as far as happy endings to my "abortion" stories...my friend would not think it was a happy ending.  Yes, Blue, SHIT HAPPENS.  I did say I wasn't going to post on this subject any more.  However, I do believe I needed to reply to your posts.  I feel like you are very angry.  Something I use to not see in you.

Anonymous

lindasa wrote:

Shirley:  I assume that is your real name and your own photo as avatar.  Please be careful about what you post regarding your best friend who had an abortion.  Perhaps she still does not want anyone to know about it, but this is an open forum and anyone can read what is posted here.

I do not believe I mentioned any names here.  Also, there are MANY chiros in this town.  I am not worried about anyone finding out it was my friend.  And if someone here wants to go to the trouble of looking into this matter to cause trouble, then shame on them.  Geez!

Anonymous

Thanks, Pat, for clarifying that the president of PP claimed women would not get mammos if funding was cut.  Perhaps Medigal didn't watch the video.

Alpal

Shirley - I think people were trying to do you a favor in suggesting you might want to remove that info you posted. Suppose some one in your home town googled "Shirley Hughes". What if a post from you came up saying that your bf (the ex wife of a chiro) had an abortion. It probably wouldn't be too difficult for them to figure out who that person is. I'm sorry that you think anyone on here would want to cause you trouble about that. Talk about Geez!

Anonymous

hillck, are you saying that Komen gives money to PP for mammos.  Is it through this "private funding" instead of taxpayers dollars that PPCT patients are able to get those mammos.  Do you know if the health department makes these services available to women who cannot afford to have the mammograms?  I'm just curious.  I am happy that a woman can find a place for help.  I don't want anyone to go without mammos.  And, I also know that some hospitals do have clinics for those who cannot afford to pay or do not have insurance.  They will even take Medicare.

Alpal

Shirley - If your local health department uses Title X funds, then their ability to provide services to those women who cannot afford them is in jeopardy. It is Title X funding which your people want to eliminate from the budget. 75% of Title X funding goes to entities other than Planned Parenthood. Title X funds cannot be used for abortions. I found a wonderful explanation of Title X funds in the Huffington Post but won't even bother citing it because of the source. I'll try to find another to post here.

Something to think about - what do you think will happen to the abortion rate if a major source of free and/or low cost contraceptives is eliminated?

Edited for clarity

AnneW

A quick word about what teenagers "know" re: how to avoid pregnancy...Yes, they KNOW. We all knew. But until that perfrontal cortex is fully developed (around age 22, give or take) there is still "magical thinking" and a lack of truly believing there are consequences to actions. So when they goof up and forgo the condom or spermicide during the hook up or the night of drinking, they intellectually know they could get pregnant, but they really don't believe it till it slaps them in the face.

It's not a condoning of behavior. It's an understanding of biology and two decades of working with teens and college kids.

Medigal

Shirley:  I watched the video but misunderstood evidently what they were saying.  I thought the point was that they did "not" ever give mammos.  I still don't think this should necessisarily be a part of PP.  But that's just my opinion.  I think women should have other programs to get mammos.

bluedahlia

Shirley, me angry?  You got to be kidding.  I'm a very jovial person.  Maybe you are angry when you read my posts and are projecting that into my messages.  I just don't agree with many things the far right is saying........it is non-sequiter, so I don't believe it.

BarbaraA

So maybe some PP's offer mammos with other organizations' grant money but PP does not. From their website. Click on 'where to get a mammo'.

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-topics/womens-health/mammogram-21195.htm

River_Rat

Granted, most PP's don't offer mammos, but they are not the only Title X organization.  The funds would have been cut to all Title X not just PP.  Other Title X organizations do offer mammos.

leggo

So true AnneW. Looking back, I can't believe how many chances I took with my own life when I was a teenager.....so stupid.... and thought I was invincible. Funny thing though, I was afraid of getting pregnant and never, ever risked it. I didn't want to hurt my mother. Weird how I didn't rationalize that being dead would have probably hurt her more than my being pregnant, but that was my thought process. Last weekend my son was playing at a friends house and jumped off their roof onto the trampoline. What could go wrong?.....until you see your collar bone sticking out of your chest! He walks home and asks me "Does this look right?" I honestly didn't know wether to laugh or cry. Thank goodness those teenage years end without horrific consequences for most of us.

208sandy

Gracie:  Is your heart out of your throat yet??  Hope he's o.k. - teenagers!!!!!

Hugs, Sandy

Enjoyful

Collar bone sticking out of his chest??  I just passed out.

BarbaraA

R_R, I understand but it was disingenuous at the least for Cecile Richards to state that if the X funds are cut (see statement from WaPo below):

Planned Parenthood CEO Cecile Richards recently appeared on The Joy Behar Show to oppose the Pence Amendment to end Planned Parenthood's taxpayer subsidies, claiming, ‘If this bill ever becomes law, millions of women in this country are gonna lose their healthcare access - not to abortion services - to basic family planning, you know, mammograms.'"

Now, mind you, I agree that PP does provide other needed family planning services and Pap's, etc. but NOT mammos. It really irritates me that if a conservative misspeaks, the mainstream media are all over it...trumpeting the statement over and over again. If a liberal misspeaks, they rise to defend it or will say that it was taken out of context. There is nothing out of context in her statement. She lied or she really doesn't know what services PP provides. Either way, bad on her.

leggo

He's o.k.....in a sling, but o.k., thanking my lucky stars he wasn't paralyzed!

Enjoyful

How did she lie?  I'm unclear on that.

BarbaraA

See bold 

Planned Parenthood CEO Cecile Richards recently appeared on The Joy Behar Show to oppose the Pence Amendment to end Planned Parenthood's taxpayer subsidies, claiming, ‘If this bill ever becomes law, millions of women in this country are gonna lose their healthcare access - not to abortion services - to basic family planning, you know, mammograms.'"

Granted, she may have been speaking generally any Title X monies to other ORG's but she represents the biggest receiver of said funds and as such, is speaking for PP. JMO. ED's of NFP's must be very careful of what they say because it can directly impact their donations. If she was speaking generally she was at the very least reckless and not serving her organization well.

River_Rat

Gracie, I bet your heart was pounding.  I'm glad he's ok.

Barbara, I don't think she was being disingenuous.  Some women would have lost their access to mammos if all the Title X funds were cut.  Also I think PP does do breast exams which would sometimes lead to someone knowing that they needed a mammo. 

Medigal

Gracie:  After reading about your son and from my own experiences with teenagers (a breed all their own), I am totally convinced that the part of the brain which allows one to think rationally does not develop until "after" the teenage years.  They truly think they are invincible and not even a mother's pleads can convince them otherwise.  I am so glad for both your sakes, he missed the bullet this time with his actions.  He probably has no idea how close he came to being paralyzed.  Hang in there.  Even the teenage years don't last forever!

River_Rat

The government funding resolution proposed by House Republicans late last week, to which Pence's amendment is attached, would eliminate the entire Title X program.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2011/02/house-debate-on-defunding-plan.html 

Wabbit

In the US we can't just walk in a hospital and ask for a mammogram ... you have to have an order from a doctor.  The visit to PP is much much less expensive and their doctors give you the order and can tell clients where to get it free or at a reduced cost.  They also participate in the Breast and Cervical Cancer Treatment Program and can get clients on that if cancer is discovered. 

It is a wonder that most of us survived our teenaged years isn't it   

Anne ... I read that about the brain development too.  Explains why smart kids do some really dumb things sometimes.   

BarbaraA

Gracie, kids do dumb things and I am really glad he is OK. My step daughter did MANY dumb things to the point where she was on restriction for 13 months in a row.  Anne, you a right...they don't get the concept of consequences.

edited for the usual typos

Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most. ---Mark Twain
Diagnosis: 4/30/2010, IDC, 1cm, Stage Ib, Grade 2, 1/4 nodes, ER+/PR-, HER2-

leggo

In Canada, you can't just get a walk-in mammo either. It has to be ordered as well. In the US is there always a way to get it for free, or do some have to forego it because it's unaffordable? I'm unclear about that.

Thanks for the concern about my son, ladies......I appreciate it.

BarbaraA

Cindy, I agree. I utilized PP when I was uninsured in my 20's and was grateful. I am just very irritated with Richards because she is the face of PP and not all the other organizations receiving Title x monies. ED's need to be very careful of public statements because , as I said above, it could impact the giving.

Done with this. Expressed my view.

River_Rat

Hillck, no need to bow out.  I never used PP.  I got married at 18 and DH had insurance.  But both my daughters used it during their college years.  They could not have afforded pap smears and birth control pills without PP after they were off our insurance. 

Wabbit

Cindy ... you are always welcome here ...  jump right in 

IronJawedBCAngel

As a stupid 18 year old, I was so grateful to the Planned Parenthood woman doctor that showed me how to perform a self breast exam.  At the time I first started going, the staff was almost 100% women, which was so much more appealing to this young woman than showing "that" to a man.

I grew up in Vermont, which is obviously a pretty progressive state.  In our state, we had teens, and yes, I was one, who trained as "Planned Parenthood peer counselors" for students in our high school.  I don't know if the program is still in place, but a lot of unplanned pregnancies were prevented because of it.

I know some state that "they should just keep their legs closed", but with raging hormones and the fact that many do not marry until after their 30's now, I believe the concept of no pre-marital sex is going to be unrealistic in most cases.  The Bible was written in a period of time when many were married by the time they were 12, and dead in childbirth by the time they were 20.  Premarital sex was not really an issue, and in my opinion it is difficult to tranfer the morals of that period to modern time.  Those who are devoutly religious have the right to practice their religion, and counsel their children on those beliefs, but there are many who are not going to make the choice to abstain when in the heat of the moment.  

Gracie, as the mother of a child that jumped off a barn roof into a pile of shavings that resulted in a trip to the ER, I completely understand.  Wish we could put them in bubble wrap until the fully develop their ability to maintain rational thought and understand consequences. Hugs to you and him!

Have a great day, ladies!

Anonymous

If Sarah Palin had made that large a misstatement about an organization that she was even marginally involved in, forget about being president of, would your reaction have been to tear her apart or to defend her?  Why is this woman being held to a less stringent standard? 

I have no doubt that she was swept up in the urgency of the moment, but that isn't an excuse. 

She either doesn't understand the services provided by her organization, or she lied.  Neither reflects well on her or on the organization she represents.