I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange
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Blue .. is your hair coming back in curly?
Bren
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Hard to tell, but it's at the sticking up point, all over the place. You should see me in the mornings!
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blue, my hair did that too at first. It took a couple of months (sorry!) to settle down a little. It's about 2 inches long - I decided to keep it short - and now has wonderful body and a wave to it that I've never had in my life. I love it, and hope it doesn't revert to fine-limp-straight-except-for-the-humongous-cowlick-in-front hair I've had all my life. My grey is still mixed with a little auburn for low-lights, and it's several shades of grey. I called it 'speckled' and the lady cutting my hair told me it was great - natural highlights! and that people paid good money for hair like this. Not sure how much of that was BS to get a good tip, but it worked! She got a big tip.
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Loving Care is a semi permanent colour that's been out there for years and works particularly well on darker hair - my dh used it for years after he turned grey - you know had to keep pretending to be 50 when he was 65 to keep his job (honestly) - it lasts about six weeks and is very easy to apply - I have had a real struggle growing my hair back after taxotere (it's been over two years) but it is finally starting to fill in a little bit - I have it dyed at the salon because I'd mess it up if I tried to do it at home and because it is so slow growing I only have to go evey six weeks or so.
Yikes to the Kool Aid or Jello on the lips - why wouldn't you jsut go to the drugstore and buy lipstain??? Sorry about the sores - how awful for you.
Sandy
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Bren -- congratulations about your son!!! What is his thesis topic? I bet it's super cool.
I'm happy to hear about the jello hair. I've been wanting to have a nice slash of hot pink or blue through my hair. Can't wait until mine grows back!
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My rant du jour:
You know what's been pissing me off lately? How the news is barely mentioning the civil war in the Ivory Coast - it has been going on for 4+ months. Thousands are dying. Just like Romeo Dallaire (UN leader in Rwanda) says, no one cares about black, sub-saharan Africa. Nobody. Unless a country has oil or some sort of strategic value, no one cares. The Ivory Coast is probably getting the meagre attention it is because it's a major supplier of cocoa/chocolate. There are atrocities happening in so many places but so few get international attention and/or intervention, let alone be documented as having happened. Grrrrrr.
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KK - first, I'm so glad to see you ranting. I was concerned that we hadn't heard from you at your other thread. Of course you are right. It makes me so angry that we let Rwanda happen. To his credit, president Clinton has said that he is haunted by his relative inaction there. But it is always like that with sub-Saharan Africa. I wish we would keep our greasy hands off of Libya until we knew who is it that is fighting Kadaffi and concentrated on the obvious suffering elsewhere.
I am sorry to go on about hair when I realize we don't all have it. I just got home with a plethora of products, because what bothers me more than the few gray hairs is the quality: this winter was not kind to my scalp. Now I know what they mean by "cracked" hair. Linda, I will consider Henna - I am just concerned about the effect of the summer sun on Henna or any product - I wonder if it could turn orange? For now, I will focus on getting my hair back to normal....let's hope my shopping at Walgreens and CVS wasn't a total waste of money. I had an awful experience many moons ago when I dyed my hair. It took a year to undo the damage and I had to let it grow out and it went all orange under the sun. I don't want highlights or any change in my hair. My color is very even so highlights would require extra work. The hair is looking spread out and cracked, making the gray hairs stand out more, IMO. Oh, if you all knew what was behind this...Just wish me luck, please!
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Athena-
I have had success with using Garnier Fructis permanent hair color,but I think they have a semi-permanent line as well. I like them because it seems to be very gentle on my hair(which is fine-textured) and they also have very natural looking colors. I've tried other lines and my hair has looked orange. My hair is mostly gray(under the color) and I'm not ready to go "natural" yet.
Mary
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Hi Athena!
I agree with you about Libya. Reminds me when several countries helped the "freedom fighters" fight against the USSR invasion into Afganistan and just ended up with the Taliban in control. I hope the powers that be have learnt their lesson and look into future consequences this time, not just getting rid of Ghadafi.
I've been colouring my hair for about 4 years and haven't had a problem. If you haven't tried an at-home job for a while the products are pretty well idiot proof. I think the only colour that's hard to predict how it will turn out is red. And if you're going platinum it's better to let a professional do it. Wishing you lots of luck!!
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Lush has a line of henna-based products. It comes in a big block, like a chocolate bar, and you can go red, auburn, brown, or black. It has a lot of conditioners in it, too, so your hair comes out soft and shiny.
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Oh good - the technology must have improved since the very ancient late 80's when I was in college. I remember my hair not only being susceptible to going red but also being very dry and of bad quality. Idiot proof should save me from myself, then. I actually bought a L'Oreal Product. First, I want to get my hair looking nice again. Once that happens, I will worry about the grey (maybe I'm the only one who sees it - who knows).
I'm definitely doing an at-home job. Not paying through the nose for this. The trouble with salons is that they leave you GORGEOUS - but only so long as you stand there still, with no wind.
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wow, seeing some old friends from the chat rooms in here!!!
on the issue of hair coloring ... i'm 5+ yrs out and when my hair came in it was a rather pretty gray. Not just me who thought so - pretty much anyone I came in contact with said so! never curl to be found, which really pissed me off since i'd had straight hair all my life, i thought "finally"!!!!! but no, still poker straight!
now, all these yrs later, i asked my hairdresser about maybe doing something with color and she talked with me about the new semi-permanents that just wash out ... so on 4/28 we're gonna have fun and experiment iwth some stuff on my hair. it won't be all one color, and i'll still have gray, but it will be various shades. if it turns out well, I'll start a new thread to show off!!!
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marlegal - I will follow your experience with interest. The L'Oreal product I bought is for 28 washes. My problem is that I have very few grey hairs so I am wondering if a whole dye is overkill, but because my hair is dark, any white hair really stands out. I wish there were a product designed just to get rid of stray grey hairs (they are still stray).
Mary - what colors did you try that made your hair look orange? I want to stick to my dark brown, not so much because I love it (I don't - it's neither here nor there) but because if I go any lighter I am afraid of the effects of the summer sun.
And I keep forgetting to say this (not because it doesn't matter) - Bren, congratulations on your son's impending degree and thesis defense -I bet you are proud!
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Bren, congrats to your son! That is hard work!
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Thanks so much gals.
Here is a paper he wrote on positrons.
Positron-atom interactions:
(49) "Cavity induced shift and narrowing of the positronium Lyman-α transition"
D.B.Cassidy, M.W.J.Bromley, L.C.Cota, T.H.Hisakado, H.W.K.Tom and A.P.Mills,Jr. Phys.Rev.Lett.106 (2011) 023401 {local.pdf} (Selected for a Viewpoint in Physics, as a Research Highlight in Nature Nanotechology and as a Physics Update in Physics Today!).My son is L.C. Cota. His thesis has something to do with atoms and positrons. I don't understand any of it. Ha! It is so far over my head. He has a minor in mathematics.
Hugs to all today,
Bren
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Bren -- Congrats on your DS's accomplishments!
Physics -- remember all the "Laws" we had to learn? Boyle's Law, and then Newton's Law, the one I remember best: For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Now there's a law that truly applies to everyday life -- such as "I washed my car in the warmth and sunshine; therefore, it's going to get rainy and cold".
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(((Bren)))
It's even more impressive when one can't understand the title.
I always get the sense that my mother is all the more impressed when she can't understand something I wrote (of far, far less difficulty than physics). Maybe she figures I have come a long way since infancy! -
Bren, congratulations for your son! - I have no idea what even the title of his thesis means so I didn't go to the link - pretty sure my brain would hurt.
Athena, I also have been very proud of my daughters' published works even though I have had some understanding of theirs. I'm sure I'd be bursting at the seams if they wrote on something that I had no understanding of so I can imagine your mother's pride. Just want to add that I hope your hair turns out as you want and you're in my thoughts.
Sandy, I have bought lip stains but they have dried out after just a couple of uses and they're expensive. (The formulations may have improved and maybe I should try them again.) It just seemed like a cheap and long lasting alternative when I saw it - I just wish I had remembered correctly because now I'm afraid to try anything for awhile. I do have Acyclovir cream so the sores are healing quickly.
I hope everyone is having a nice weekend.
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Athena-I have learned to stay away from colors that have "golden" in the name. They tend to turn my hair somewhat orangish. That may not be true for other people, but it is for me. My experience has also been that the shade turns out to be darker on me than the box shows. Maybe my hair is just extra porous! I usually use a light "ash" brown.
Mary
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Bren - congratulations on your son's thesis. Atoms and positrons - sounds very cutting edge!
Athena - I have a "little" grey with brown hair. I tried colouring my hair and did have a big problem with it fading and looking red/orange. Brown can be a difficult colour. To dark and hair"looks dyed" and can age a woman. Also wash outs don't 100% wash out. Sorry, no advice, just a a few "heads up" on the topic.
KK - I agree with you about the Ivory Coast and Libya. I often wonder who is making these decisions for us - is it the "reporters" or the "corporations"????
If Canada were to experience political unrest - would Nato and other superpowers settle it for us?
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Bren, I have already congratulated you, but I will do it again.
Athena, I spend a fortune on my hair and so glad I'm having a little reprieve!
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Molly - NATO had the good sense not to get involved during the Quebec referenda!! I think that if reporters were to cover all the political unrest and genocides taking place, particularly in north Africa, our newscasts would be 5 times as long and our newspapers 5 times as thick. It's only when situations have the potential of affecting our own way of life (like -- not enough chocolate) that we hear about it. Romeo Dallaire has seen the worst of the worst of human behaviour. I wonder if he needs sleeping pills to get a good night's rest, because otherwise he would have nightmare after nightmare (as would all the soldiers who witnessed Rwanda).
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Bren, congratulations! What a great achievement for your son!
KK, I agree with you about the Ivory Coast. I remember when the Rwandan genocide was taking place. No one cared. I heard it around me, and it was implied in the newscasts: well it is Africa. It was so infuriating. Of course, when Bosnia exploded, I told the same people who poo-pooed the Rwandan genocide: why is Europeans annialitating another group suddenly a cause for concern?--not that it wasn't of course-- There is racism there. Look at Darfur. No one is there trying to stop the genocide.
If you have the stomach for it, you need to watch PBS's Ghosts of Rwanda. It is harrowng to watch, but you see the desperation of Romeo Dallaire and the other peace-keepers there trying to save the Tutsis. You also see the world turn its back on the people being killed. After the genocide, Rwanda had head of state after head of state go to Rwanda to show its remorse. For me, it was too little too late.
Linda, Romeo Dallaire wrote a great book Shake Hands with the Devil about his experience in Rwanda. It details how powerless he fel theet. He had a very hard time coming back to Canada and pretending that he could put the images of the genocide out of his head. He admits that he needed a lot of therapy to try to come to terms with the images and with his sense of guilt that he couldn't do more to stop the genocide. He disobeyed orders to leave Rwanda. He told the UN that there was no way he would leave and not try to protect the people being murdered.
On a lighter note, I have been coloring my hair for years. I am a brunette, but I have gone dark blonde, and I am now a redhead. Red is pretty tough to keep, as Athena mentioned. The pigment tends to wash out pretty quickly.
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Back to hair for a moment. I used to dye my own hair but would never attempt highlights. I would look like a mutant white tiger or something even worse.
As for the expense, I go to the local beauty school. I know that's a risk but I have gone there since it was started by a friend of mine who has since moved to Florida. The new owner and staff have been great to me. They have redone my hair for free when I was not satisfied,
When I lost my hair from chemo the local wig bank talked me into an awful wig and I took it to the school to be styled. I called ahead to see if they could help me and one of the instructors styled that wig and then brought out a duffle bag of her wigs and let me pick one. The whole experience was awesome but one of the best parts was when she said "And here is how you take off a wig."and pulled hers off. She had had scalp cancer and buys wigs like some of us buy shoes or purses.We have the same oncologist and I knew she got it. Unfortunately she has moved on and I lost track of her.
I know our policy in Africa (or lack thereof) is more important but the hair talk got me thinking about Missy the instructor and the other people who have helped me along the way.
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Mary -- I'll look for the PBS documentary. I think Mom has the book and I'll nap it. Romeo Dallaire is a hero, a tragic one -- apparently he never fully recovered from his posting there. I remember my Serbian BF said imagine if the US or France invaded Canada to help liberate Quebec? How would you feel? Interestingly one of his best friends was Bosnian. When we interact as individuals there can be peace. It's a tough decision on whether to intervene. Intervene when you're not wanted but humanity demands that you do. Or intervene because it's in your best interests. Intervene when you're asked. Not all cut and dried, except when there is a humanitarian crisis.
The first wig I got was through a stylist that volunteered at the hospital. She had big hair. All the wigs had big hair. I don't have big hair, just sort of hangs there. But she convinced me to get this horrible wig that was way too poofy for me. She didn't have any simple wigs. But then I found a site with both those expensive and cheapo wigs -- that where I got my black and fuschia bobs: http://www.wigs.com/product_info.php?products_id=415
This site has less expensive shipping to Canada: http://www.internationalwig.com/Foxy_p/ig_foxy.htm
One of the greatest post-chemo hair colouring tips I got was be sure to tell the stylist to use a cool shade since chemo hair can go brassy. If your non-chemo natural hair tends to brassy it's a good idea to check that the box says cool tones, or something like that.
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The subject of post treatment hair is near and dear to my heart. I have been coloring my hair since my early 20's. My natural color was a mousy shade of brown, and my ex commented one day about how much he liked the darker shade when my hair was wet after a shower. I have ranged from much darker to a shade more like my natural color, but with red tones. Before my Dad moved in with me, I was spoiled, always went to a salon, and spent ridiculous amounts on my hair. With not working, I have been forced to use the Garnier Fructis, and have actually been fairly happy with it. However, I have been watching the Today Show for years, and the stylists are always talking about the fact that as you age, you should go to a slightly lighter shade, or use some highlights around your face to brighten things up. The darker the hair, the older you look, so I am contemplating just a few strands in a couple of strategic spots to lighten things up.
I have always had very thick, healthy hair until bc. My hair is primarily grey now, my parents also greyed very young. Two months before I was diagnosed 6 years ago, my hair was falling out in handfuls. After radiation, I had a balding spot on the left side of my face, and my hair was terribly dry and breaking. Finally seemed to get past that, and now again, for the last three months, I am losing copious amounts of hair. I'm under a lot of stress, tons of reflux, so have had a colonoscopy and an endoscope over the last two weeks. Still waiting on biopsy results on the endoscope. In my heart, I know it is fine, but I am just so frustrated. I had grown my hair out very long, but because of the loss of hair and breakage, I went on Saturday and had it cut off to just above my shoulders. I talked to her about going to a lighter shade, but because of all of my issues right now, we are just going to add some highlights. The good part about grey hair is that it colors differently, so I do end up with some great high and low lights, rather than everything being one tone. So, Athena, you are not the only one stressing about your hair, and if we can not rant here, where can we? Cancer, and all of the insidious ways it affects our lives simply sucks!
I do think there are some great color washes that only last a few shampoos, but I am not sure how well they do with grey hair. The box should state how well it colors grey hair, but the grey strands will be a little lighter than the rest of your hair, so it will give the appearance of some highlights. I didn't have chemo, but I do know that if you swim in pools alot, the chlorine will react with some colors. Hope you find a product that works for you and relieves your hair emergency.Bren, I am so very impressed with your son! My brain is wired language and arts, so I barely made it through the sciences. Have to go get ready for the day.
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I used to say that if I ever had to have chemo and lose my hair, I'd let it gtow back in gray and stay that way. Well, I never had chemo. But after 15 years of coloring my hair every 5 weeks, I had enough. My hair's short and grows quickly. So I quit spending money on salon colors, went to Garnier Fructis, and then just quit. I am "blessed" to have a salt and pepper look. But I swear, I look in the mirror at times and wonder who that old person is.
I get the most compliments from older women, who love my cut and natural color. DH is 10 years older, and he has minimal gray. I see people with thier hair too dark for their age/skin. But I didn't want to keep going lighter and lighter, or frosted like my friends, where it's so obvious that's not their natural color. So, I keep the no hassle of my hair as it is.
But sometimes I am within a "hair" of going back to color. Is that what Stacy and Clinton would have me do??
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My hair is naturally a dark blond/light brown with red in it along with LOTS of gray. I highlight with blond and low light with red/brown and it looks pretty good. The blond hides the gray (or maybe lets it blend in better).
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So here's an interesting graphic of our US congress in terms of actual vs "seems to be". Too big for a cut and paste (for me, anyway) so a link will have to suffice.
http://awesome.good.is/transparency/web/1104/congress/flat.html
And now for the first time I can't get the link to highlight. Someone help, please and tell me how?? -
Growing up, my hair was blond--really blond, then ash blond, then darker brown. Once in high school, I got a single bright red copper colored hair and was totally thrilled because I thought I was going to be a red head. Never saw another one.
In my early 30s, I got my first white hair. I told my mother who was unable to face the possibility she had a child old enough to have graying hair and she insisted I was wrong. I told my grandmother who cheerfully advised me to pull it and then I wouldn't have one anymore! My hair is currently pretty darn streaked with white. and undyed. I'm way way way too lazy to maintain hair color--heck I can't even get a hair cut that requires a blow dryer! DH happens to like salt/pepper hair so it works well for every one.
KK I agree with you on Ivory Coast. There is also the on-going issue of Congo. But neither place has any "stuff" we westerners care about so . . . . .Sadly we seem to care about things that involve "stuff" we like---not people--and are best at doing intervention when the "stuff" we are interested in is placed at risk. We didn't start off caring about the break-up of former Yugoslavia--remember all the Bosnian Muslims who were masacred? The US didn't initially care about the Russians invading Afghanistan---only in time did we decide that was worth paying attention too, when the whole thing started to impact our "stuff" and we realized there were a heck of a lot of very useful minerals hiding under those mountains.......
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