how about drinking?

camillegal

Oh chit, this is the 2nd post I just lost. WTF am I doing I was almost finished on the first and 1/2 way thru the next. And believe me I wrote to everyone. I'm so mad right now. I can't remember much and everything is on the last page.

I'm blaming Illi as soon as I saw the pic. I got an instant headache. <<<HUGS>>>

My print is so small and I can't change it, I'll be back when Joey gets up.

LUBS U ALL

goldie0827

Mary, I too knew what my biopsy was going to show, maybe that's why I was upset, idk. For some reason I didn't think you were going home until Tuesday.

Oh my BabyGirl, that is one hella scar.

Lil Miss Lurker, wishing you all the best on those scans, please pop in and let us know when you get results. I didn't realize you have been stage IV for 16 years! That means I have a long ways to go!

Sandy, it was me that said it's a 6 hour drive to Cami's, I don't recall her saying anything about time.

Cami, Ctrl and Z, should bring your post back!

Got some new people out here, so meeting at the neighbors for a meet and greet.

goldie0827

DOTD: The Zipper

• 1 ounce vodka
• 1 ounce Chambord
• 1 ounce 7-Up (or other lemon-lime soda)
• Garnish: fresh berries or mint

maryland

good morning!

Lori, when I said I was going home I meant back to the camper, you were right, I'm going “home" on Tuesday. I'm prepared for the biopsy to be same as original, anything else would be scarier to me. The “zipper" was a perfect drink choice for baby girl and dive I dropped out for awhile where'd that nickname come from?

Ill, that is quite a zipper! I'm hoping you'll soon be back to your life. That's a tough diet plan you've been on, hope your throat is starting to feel better. If I may ask, how old are you? Do you have a significant other? You were just starting on this thread when I left so I don't know much about you. Anyway feel better friend 😘

Cami, ugh!!!damn gremlin! See you soon.

Sandy, have fun at the SuperBowl party!

Chrissy, you give me a lot of hope as a newly dc stage lV girl. Good luck with your scans!

We went to the clubhouse here at the campground last night, they had a guy singing all 60's. It was pretty much to a karaoke machine but he had a good voice and it was lots of fun. The thing is down here is that everyone is at least as old as me! You can get up and dance without feeling self conscious! We're all a bunch of old fools up there shaking our rather considerable stuff! Today we are going to an art show in downtown Fort Myers. Chilly here only 49 this morning, I went to Walmart and bought a pair of jeans last night, but the sun is shining and compared to Ohio it's gorgeous!

Jazzy, Kim and everyone else, have a good Sunday!

goldie0827

I call Illimae BabyGirl cuz she is the youngest one here...that I'm aware of. I believe she is only 40. Ill, correct me if I'm wrong.

JCSLibrarian

I remember when the KC Chiefs played in their last Super Bowl 50 years ago! My Dad bought our first color TV, a small portable, that I later took to college. We lived in Overland Park, Kansas then and we were very proud of our Chiefs. Can you tell which team I am pulling for today?

Illimae, that is one helluva zipper! You wear it with style. Sorry about the not so good scans for some. This disease is an SOB that takes vacations, but comes back at will. I could not survive without the support I have found in this group.

So glad the groundhog saw his shadow! The sun has finally come out here, but now it is cold. BRR!!

ChiSandy

Well, Bob just came back from Whole Foods with a bag of "Darling" Clementines--so you know for whom we're rooting ("...lived a miner, Forty-Niner, and his daughter..."). He's wearing his customary Sunday uniform: Bears jersey (Tillman, who's no longer a Bear) & Levis. Not sure if I'll wear my Advocate Health Systems "Real Bears Fans Wear Pink 2019" jersey--it's now 2 sizes too big! Vanity may will out--size M long sleeve red tee, jeggings, the cute bronze faux-down puffer jacket (size S!) I got for $13 at Tar-zhay (closeout rack).

Yesterday, after getting my mani fixed (the "no-wipe" gel topcoat rippled and pitted in a matter of just 2 days), I went to Nordstrom Rack and picked up a white shirt & silk blouse (both size M)--our choir uni is white top, black pants; but the only white top I had that wasn't a cotton T-shirt was a size XL button-down that Gordy wore under his high school graduation tux (ca. 2003) and left behind when he moved out in 2018. Had to fold back the cuffs, and the shoulder seams are a couple of inches too low; there was so much starch I could barely open the buttonholes and it's started to faintly yellow in the collar & placket. The new button-down shirt (has hidden black trim) is a tuck-in, the blouse has a high-low hem and can be worn as a tunic over slim pants or tucked into my stovepipe Chico's Travelers "No Tummy" knit pants. (Most of my wardrobe now--except blazers or moto/scuba style jackets--can be rolled up for packing w/o wrinkles). Also got a pair of tall brown zip-up waterproof leather Sorel boots (for when UGGs are too shlumpy)--the size 7.5 was much comfier than the thinner leather size 8 Franco Sarto knee-highs, which admittedly looked much sharper but hurt my L bunion when I walked. Also picked up a pair of UGG shearling clogs as slippers--the Orthofeet mules were getting icky (grease spots wouldn't come out, the shearling insoles were so matted that the wire brush didn't work on them and they made me shuffle when I walked--another "shoe malfunction" fall waiting to happen).

In the low 50s today--nice walking weather! (Sneakers, no boots necessary). Snow flurries coming overnight, though. Punxatawney Phil predicted an early spring; but in the NW 'burbs "Woodstock Willie" (the groundhog in Woodstock, IL, which town "played" Punxatawney, PA in the film Groundhog Day) saw his shadow and predicted six more weeks of winter. But if it's the kind of winter we've been having, I'll take it. (PETA wants "prognosticator" groundhogs replaced by animatronic artificial-intelligence ones so that real groundhogs can stay in the wild undisturbed. But they also don't believe in keeping pets--and its president even is against trap-spay/neuter-release for ferals. Oy).

Jazzygirl

Happy Superbowl Sunday and Groundhog Day- just catching up here after a busy week and before another begins. The groundhog says we can expect an early spring this year. Our winter here has not been particularly bad, we had that big snow storm during Thanksgiving and a few since but it has been very mild in January for the most part. Supposed to get some snow this week though. We are firmly in the middle of winter, but have noticed the days getting longer and it is not dark here now until around 5:45 p.m. In five more weeks, it is daylight savings time again where we "spring forward" and then are tired for two weeks. I always look forward to more evening light as we come into the spring, but not the adjustment to the time change.....

https://weather.com/news/news/2020-01-30-groundhog-day-punxsutawney-phil-did-he-see-his-shadow

And it's superbowl sunday too (otherwise known as yummy snacks sunday to me). I was at the store yesterday after my yoga class, and it was a mob scene like you see during a major holiday, but I realized it was people shopping for all the snacks for their football game gatherings. I was able to score some tasty snacks of my own, but will be heading to the pool for a swim this afternoon instead. My guess is it will be empty over there too!

Genny- well, hopefully you and that friend you met on the plane can connect when she is back home this summer. I am originally from the east coast and have friends and family who split their time between there and FL in the winters. We have a few people who are snowbirds here and come down from further north, but most go to southern AZ where it is much warmer. I hope you continue to enjoy your time away!

JCS- glad we have been able to help you. I joined BCO back in the fall of 2012 right before I was heading in to surgery and have been on various thread through time (including some where I met Cami, Teka and others from long ago), but this is the main one I have stayed in touch with regularly. There is a really diverse group of women here but a sisterhood like I have not experienced elsewhere. I personally wish you the best as you continue on this journey with us.

Chi- thanks for your info on the Subaru. As I have read up on some forums, I have a belt and not a chain based on the year, and it may be more of an age issue- had this outback for 10 years. I was reading up it is good to do the water pump at the same time as if that fails, it can wreck the timing belt as well. More due diligence to do and will probably need to get this done this year. I think you have some time before you have to worry about this based on the age of your Outback.

Cami- any news on Bob? Is Joey into football?

Got a busy week ahead with job interview, helping a friend with rides around a procedure Tues, hoping to get my other car back and blinds installed and more. I hope everyone has a good week and for those of you on FB with me, I am off there for a month, but staying here with you all!

Mariadelpilar

I feel the same way. Daily wine in moderation. Before being diagnosed I drank half a bottle every day watching the sunset and during dinner. Now I drink one glass before dinner and SB alcohol free IPA beer during dinner. I must say alcohol free wine tastes like crap, but the beer is pretty good!!

Salud!

ChiSandy

From your friendly "neighborhood" beverage geek:

Based on how wine is made (which requires fermentation) and that de-alcoholizing wine requires heating analogous to pasteurization so that the alcohol evaporates, de-alcoholized wine will never taste as close to the original as either alcohol-free beer or decaf coffee. (Also why most kosher wines--except those made from grape harvest to bottling to even serving, by only observant Jewish males--taste so flat, since the "mevushal" heating process that makes it okay for anyone of any gender, degree of observance, or faith to serve it also blunts the varietals' character). In order to make what is now essentially sour grape juice taste more like wine, manufacturers add back unfermented grape juice--which adds sweetness but still does not restore the "edge" that makes wine taste like wine. It's good for cooking, however (except of course flambeeing, which requires alcohol, is impossible).

I'm not sure how non-alcoholic beer is made, but I suspect more hops and unfermented filtered barley "water" are added to produce a more beer-like "zing," a flavor profile most people associate with ales & lagers. But the barley-water addition is probably why non-alc. beer is often just as carby as any "light" beer.

Coffee beans are decaffeinated by soaking the "green" (un-roasted) beans in a food-safe solvent or carbonated water (CO2 or "Swiss water process"). The caffeine is precipitated out (and usually re-sold to drug and soft-drink companies); if a solvent is used, it is also extracted and discarded; and the flavor oils & esters that might also have been inadvertently extracted are re-introduced (by reducing the volume of water, then re-soaking and drying the beans before roasting). The roasting process--especially dark roast--burns off almost all the residual caffeine. (That's why dark-roasted regular coffee--even though it tastes "stronger"--actually has less caffeine than light or medium roast.

NativeMainer

good morning Loungettes! Happy Monday monkey day! Back to work this morning got quite a list of things I need to do, hoping to have a good productive day today. I think I will Sadie made sure I got up after only snoozing the alarm clock once. How that dog can sleep under the covers and still have such an icicle nose to stick on the back of my neck absolutely amazes me.

Goldie—As long as the lavender flowers are blooming, they should be good to use. Lavenders are so pretty and so versatile, can be used in almost anything.

Morning Teka

Genny—I am going to talk to the scheduler and see if there’s something that can be done with me working eight hour shifts to cut down on the agency staff overtime. It may take a little finagling, but I’ve got to learn the rules and how that all works. I think agency people have to be signed up for at least four hours at a time.

Illie—that is quite the scar. Somehow in my mind I was picturing something much smaller. I’m still praying that your swallowing and the voice come back to normal ASAP.

Chrissy—so glad to see you pooping! I’m glad to hear that you’re checking in regularly. Speak up more often!

Chi—what is a frito pie????

camillegal

goldie0827

Jazzy, same here as far as winter is concerned, hasn't been too bad, but I don't think we are supposed to get any snow. Going to be cold tho, tomorrow and Wednesday, then warming up again. You are staying off FB for a month? But glad you will still be hanging with us here.

NM, busy week this week too? Frito pie is basically chili and fritos, sort of a twist on nachos maybe. I've never had it, but I must say, it looks good.

Met the new people, very sweet. Younger than I expected, late 30's maybe. They have a 16 yo, but did not bring him as they thought they were going to an "adult" party! Which none of us are like that at all!

DOTD: Lavender-Lemon Gin and Tonic

maryland

Good Monday morning ladies, my last day before facing reality once again. Very cool here, last night we were snuggled up in blankets to sit outside! Tomorrow and everyday after that it’s supposed to be in the 80s here, (sigh), no one can get the cold to follow them around like me. I’m better than an Indian rain dance too. If your area is having a drought, invite me to come for vacation... your weather problems will be solved. Molly said is hasn’t rained like it did 2 days ago in the years she been coming here! Last time I came to stay with her it was in February and we took a boat to Key West and all had to buy sweatshirts while we were there. When we BCO girls went on the cruise I stopped for a few days first to visit an old friend in Orlando and she showed up to pick me up in a winter coat, earmuffs and gloves! Ohio weather just follows me wherever I go! It is supposed to be sunny and 70 today tho so it’ll feel like paradise to me. I’m sure you know what I’m talking about Cami and Sandy, way too much gray in our part of the country. We don’t have any solid plans, maybe golf, might go listen to some music tonight, wanted to go to the pool but I think it’s gonna be too cold.

NM , hope you can figure out an 8 hour day, I think it should be optional at 60, most of us can’t retire now till 66 1/2 and our bodies aren’t meant to work 12 hour days anymore. Harvey snuggles under the covers with me too, my DH says he and Junior keep looking for me.

Maria, wish I could find a good alcohol free wine, I tried to drink it when I was getting chemo but it all taste like grape juice. I’ve tried to cut back to 1/ day but not able to do it. My DH and I split a bottle every day so that’s 2 a piece but I still have a hard time not opening a second. By the time I get done with this vacation my liver is going to crawl out of my body and slap me in the face!

Jazzy, I’ve never been to New Mexico, may have to put that on my list, the picks I’ve seen look beautiful, I think I’d like to try it in the fall. I don’t even know who won the Super Bowl, I fell asleep, I’ll have to google it when I’m done here.

Sandy, so one groundhog says more winter but not the other...hmmm I’m going to have to go with the official one. I really would prefer it stay just below freezing so I don’t have to deal with the muddy paws. These 38 degree days are messy! I don’t mind the cold I’d just like more sunshine, we can go weeks without ever seeing it in Ohio.

Lori, I figured that was the reason for the name baby girl, after looking at her zipper I could tell she was young.

Ill, don’t mean to talk about you behind your back, hope you’re feeling better today. I feel so bad for you young girls with this rat bastard, at least I was in my 50s and now 60s with the mets, fu**ing disease.

So I’m going to get my second cup of coffee and read for awhile. When I was dx the first time a neighbor gave me a book by Regina Brett called God never blinks and I read about a 3rd of it and forgot about. So I brought it with me and I’m enjoying it. I’m not a very religious person but it brings me some calm. Similar to the chicken soup books. I may be back later, have a good Monday

maryland

saw this dog at the art show yesterday, maybe Junior's next do??

maryland

thanks for pushing me into the pool Lori, water is fabulous

camillegal

Mornin' ladies,

I'm back, let's see how this goes.

Boy this place has been hoppin' the last 2 days, I'm glad to see everyone. I enjoy everyone so much, but now I can't remember much. EXCEPT Illi's pic. Something hard to forget. Oh Illi I hope ur feeling better and u can swallow better.

I think I see someone new, Maria Welcome hope u come back and share this truly is a great bunch. I've met such great people here and some have gone on trips together and I've met a couple, it's just plain good.

Jazzy I don't remember which thread I met u and Teka on, cuz I've been around a while, but I lurkedhere for a while and when I came in I stayed. And when u gals came it was even better. U should put some of ur sunset pics on here.,they are beautiful.

Sandy I think Lori explained the time thing to u...she always explains everything better than I can. Lori I tried the Z thing but it didn't work but I do have an old computer so maybe that's why, IDK And Sandy I always thought the stronger the coffee the more caffeine if had, never read the ingredients stuff. BTW ju an I are probably the only 2 that live so close to each other. I'm further than Villa Park but y only 10 to 15 mins.A lot of people take walks around here and if there were sidewalks so would I, but cuz of my falling so much no one want s to go with me and I admit I'm to afraid to go by myself. There's a lot of land here tho so backyards are like the ones from years ago pretty big.I wish we could have a pool tho, I love it cuzz I can actually walk with no help, what freedom.

Lori I don't blame u for the ride here, it's a long one and last time u were alone and I don't like that part at all.But I am able to go out and we can go to restaurants, we do have a lot around here, Sandy knows too.

Celia since u've retired u've been doing so much wow good for you.

Kim it's good to see u start off the day here, I got way to used to it that's why worry comes in. And I can't keep up with all the comings and goings here which sound like fun. Give Sadie an extra belly rub from me.

My kids went out for the Super bowl and had a good time, Joey stayed home with me, he's not into football and the night before they went to another party so they were busy this weekend and Leslie pushed herself for Marty but glad she went.Hey

Hey Teka and Chrissy, always great to see you.

Oh my phone has started an I haven't set up for work yet, but I di take care of who called just in a raggitag way.

LUBS U ALL

maryland

molly sitting on the patio last night.

Jazzygirl

NM- good to see you here. Frito pie is a lot like nachoes, but with fritos on the bottom, instead of tortilla chips. It's a party fav for sure. I think the Chiefs won and always like it when the one who has not been in any bigger competition to win like that, so good for them. Kansas City will be partying today for sure, and lots of people will go to work hung over I expect, lol.

Genny- NM is lovely in the fall. Sept is my fav month here, warm days and cooler nights. October is the big balloon fiesta so if you ever come then, make your travels plans way early as hotels sell out early (almost a year in advance). Enjoy the rest of your time.

ChrissyB- hi girlfriend. How is everything down under? Are you being impacted by the fires? I hope not....

Cami- I think we all met initially on the Hermits thread, but think some of us were over on Insomniacs for awhile too. Those threads sort of ran their course, and I dropped off those and a few others early on. I think several of us migrated to the Drinking Thread from there too. I can't totally remember either, it was a pretty confusing time back then....

mistyeyes

illimae, I, like NM, pictured that surgery much smaller. I think they have good stuff out there that will help it fade. It really stinks that you go through all that and now have the swallowing trouble. I hope that there is no damage done, and starving isn't a great way to lose weight. You are in my thoughts and prayers daily. You need to get well soon, I am missing all the trips and pictures of drinks and food that you share.

genny - You are the one that brought this cold weather to Florida!! You must be further south that me, because it is cold here today. So sorry to read about the mets. It feels like cancer is always following and ready to pounce at any time. Enjoy your time here Fl. So cool meeting a new friend on the plane.

Jazzy - I am glad you got time off, you seemed like you got so much done, I know that always makes my load feel lighter when stuff gets accomplished. You can go back to work without anything hanging over you needing to get done.

NM - you sure did have a time with the garage door and the electric. I hate it when something goes and it and you run into more problems trying to get it fixed. Hope you can get your work hours straightened out. 12 hours is a rough day as you get older.

JC- You always seem to have a lot going on and I feel the same way about this site. It is a mental savior. So many great people here.

Goldie - it was funny about your husband and the cooler thing.We humans are such strange creatures. Lol The frito pie picture looked yummy.It sounds like something my grandchildren would love.

ChiSandy- I am with Cami on the coffee thing, I thought the darker coffee had more caffeine .It amazes me sometimes, I really thought by the time I got this old I would know everything, and I am finding out how much I don't know.It does prove the old adage "your never too old to learn".

I know I miss a lot in replying.I always think of things after I post.

Have a great week!

Jazzygirl

My interview went SO WELL today. I think I am going to get an offer, consulting to start with an option to move to FT in time for something juicer. I hope to hear more this week and expect I may be back in the saddle again in a few weeks.

Misty- I am creating a new structure for myself to keep up better at home. I find sometimes that although I keep up with a lot of the routine cleaning and maintenance stuff, I just need something better to be sure I have it recorded when I need to do things like change some of the filters, etc. Now I can go back and look to see when I did something and if I am do or overdue. I am taking some of my work approaches and applying them to my personal life and hope it will help me to stay more organized. A lot of things got away from me last year, but it was also "one of those years....."

MinusTwo

Jazzy - so glad to hear the interview went well. Fingers crossed.

camillegal

camillegal

OK that's certainly isn't me, but I think I like this hair style for me. Its basically for thinner hair <which I now have> for much straighter hair <again have it> and easy to just throw fingers in it <which I also have> so I would like ur input on this. Please remember I can not do anything with my hair anymore, it won't hold a curl no matter what I put on it and one side has less hair than the other so it's even worse looking. I know there are lots of problems here and this is stupid nothing, but I can't sleep and I would like ur opinion about this stupid subject I apologize for sounding so trivial, but if I think about all that really happens I just get to sad. My GF told me today 2 bad news things and I just on't want to think about them now. So I bring u gals into my web of insanity, Welcome.

lilyfrombeppu

I'm facing thinning hair too. I like this style --looks casual & easy - - and hides a lot of problems that we have.

ChiSandy

Cami, that 'do looks like just the ticket. If I ever get tired of maintaining (and Bob stops preferring) long hair, my hair gets thinner, and I give in to the gray, I might give it a try (though I'll try on a wig first).

I actually out-drank Bob at the party last night. (He did get a head start on me at brunch, though--I stayed home and drank coffee). I had one glass each of grüner veltliner (Austrian white), La Vielle Ferme grenache (French red), and crémant de Limoux (French bubbly); he had two glasses of the red. Nice spread, fun, game was closer than the score looked. Although there was a TD call that was a definite "WTF" moment: please explain to me how someone who runs out of bounds with no part of neither him nor the ball hitting the ground of the end zone can be a touchdown rather than "first & short yardage." The refs saw the carrier wave the ball--still in the air--over the goal line--but neither he nor it ever touched the ground until he fell out of bounds entirely on the sideline. It's like saying that if you shoot a basketball from outside the key, and merely by virtue of it passing through the air across the rim, it's a 3-pointer. Which is to say, NOT. But hey, it wouldn't be a Super Bowl without one really stupid call by the refs. (And there was a second KC TD so it's kinda moot anyway).

The Frito pie was a layer of Fritos, then chili, then more Fritos & cheese. One year Tom (the chef) made it in individual single-serve bags of Fritos. I got pretty creative at skirting the carbs. I briskly walked off the calories.

No wine tonight. Home alone till just now--and if I drink so close to bedtime I'm asking for my esophagus to feel like Mt. Vesuvius.

Seeing my primary tomorrow for bloodwork--gonna ask about a carotid Doppler, DEXAScan and possible abdominal ultrasound to see why I can palpate the lumpy outline of my guts on my belly when standing. (Too firm to be cellulite--but we won't talk about what lies beneath the saggy skin of my thighs, butt & flappy bat-wings). Seriously considering doing SonoBello or CoolSculpting--will still have all that excess skin but it'd be easier to smush beneath stretch underwear & knits. (No, Medicare wouldn't cover it, but it would cover a tummy tuck & panniculectomy to cure intertrigo--skin fold yeast infections. Sorry if I've ruined your appetite for a midnight snack).

Cami, Lori, I see where that "6 hrs" comes in: it's the distance between Genny/Mary in Cleveland (from where you'd be driving) and Cami & me in Chicagoland. Cami--I'm only about an hour away from you (and singing in Downers Grove Fri. night--about 15-20 min. from you).

Jazzygirl

Hi ladies - up early to get my friend in for eye surgery. Sitting at Starbucks sipping a vente latte. The triage nurse says to plan on 2 hrs. And it's snowing ❄️

maryland

cami, cute haircut, definitely a fingerdo, you'll next some product for oomf, Molly has thin shitty hair and she always wondered why when I styled it with my fingers it looked so much better then when she tried to do the same thing. Then she called me one day all excited and said, “I figured it out! I wasn't using my thumbs!" It's looked good ever since, so my hairdresser tip to you, USE YOUR THUMBS!!!!

Well my flight has been delayed 1 hour so no need to rush this morning, I'm missing my DH and dogs, I'm feeling kinda sad and scared and ready to get on with “the plan". I'll poop in later, bye for now

Jazzygirl

Safe travels Genny ✈️

goldie0827

Mary, funny about taking cold weather or rain with you! Molly looks nice and warm. And gray days, coming from Michigan, I know all about that. But now after being in AZ for 20 years, just one gray day is horrible, and if you get 2 in a row, why the world is going to end! Plus, I don't make any power! Quite the colorful poodle! And don't hesitate to call if you need to talk.

Cami, well shoot on the ctrl and Z. Next time try it a couple of times. And keep holding the ctrl key and then the Z key, so you end up holding both at the same time, make sense? You do have a large yard and it's very pretty. I love the cut, reminds me a little of my blonde wig I had. Sorry that your GF had some bad things to tell you, feel free to share or if you do want to talk about it. And driving to you by myseld is not an issue for me. You know all the driving I do just to get to my doctors and I like to drive.

Jazzy, fall is my favorite too. No snow here but the wind yesterday was crazy. We had gusts up to 70 mph. We live in a very pretty part of the country. So many beautiful places to visit, AZ and UT for sure, I have not been to too many places in NM, so can't really elaborate on that and of course the balloon festival is amazing! Congrats on the great interview and pretty sure this will be your next "gig" as you call it.

Misty, it WAS funny about the cooler, but like I said, didn't feel one bit sorry for him. He said the other, next we go somewhere I'm taking this on with wheels. I say to him, that's why I asked why you didn't take it before. He says he didn't know it had a handle that raised (like on a suitcase). Well, what they heck good are wheels if you don't have a handle to pull it!

Sandy, good luck with your appts. today.

Ok, here is a map for me, Mary and Cami.
I can meet Mary in Toledo, would take me about an hour and a half to get there.
Meet Mary in Toledo, then drive to Cami...about a 6 hour drive. We would need to get an early start.
If I drive right to Cami, it's about 5 hours
So, I'll wait and see how Mary is doing and we will discuss. Cami, can you ask Les or Marty if they remember the hotel I stayed at?