Natural Healing

trigeek, YES you can absolutely use your yoga/Pilates ball for lymph movement.  It is fun to bounce on.  LOVE my 'crystal ball'.    Best wishes

Genesis,

From all the research I've read, it seems alternative therapies do work in the short term.  So you can have a 2 or maybe 3 year remission.  But it seems that traditional medicine works better long term.  So when you look at 5 year (and beyond) survival rates - surgery, radiation, chemo, tamoxifen and herceptin have the edge. Especially for advanced cancers such as yours.

Best wishes and stay in touch. 

Statistics can be interesting. Concerning Tamoxifen...  

The justification for Zeneca's claim of a 50% reduction in breast cancer lies in the difference between a 1.4% incidence of cancer in women taking tamoxifen versus a 2.7% indicidence in those taking placebo. The price of that 1.3% difference was very dear. Tamoxifen doubled the risk of endometrial cancer for women under 50. It quadrupled it in women over 50.

However, the company was being honest, it was a 50% difference.... of 1%.... and now, years later, they have discovered that is only effective for about 40% of women, and european doctors have found it to be ineffective even more so... Here is an interesting link,

http://www.ghchealth.com/chemotherapy-quotes.html

But take it with a grain of salt, and do some research before accepting my argument, or anyone's, including the oncologist. My mom did Taxol, and Taxotere, and Gemcitabine, and the list went on. Did what chemo does, reduced the tumor for a short period of time, but as usual, it came back with a vengeance... and everyone has a different experience with different treatments. But I will impress on everyone, take a real hard gander at those statistics, they can be quite deceiving.

Erick

Hey genesis, hope you're still reading here.  Haven't seen you post in a while.  It's been 2 weeks since I received schulze's superfood, echinacea tincture and the intestinal formula #1.  The good news is I've been feeling better.  The downside is my difficulty with the intestinal formula.  It gives me diarrhea. 

I've been managing sort of ok with the superfood when I mix it with apple juice.  I noticed, however, that the serving size is two tablespoons, and I can only stomach half that.  I don't have a blender, and one tablespoon seems to be all I can get to mix with a glass of juice without it being sludge at the bottom.  When I manage to get the superfood mixed in, I can honestly say I like my morning juice with the superfood in it.  I'm just not getting a full serving of the superfood. 

And that tincture sure makes the taste buds stand up and salute!  I never did work up to five times a day, and it's not something I think I'd ever crave.  It's very refreshing, even though the smell could make you think you'd be knocking people over with garlic breath.  It leaves no aftertaste at all really.  

I'm wondering how I might get some answers about the way I'm reacting to the intestinal formula.   

Cynthia, it is hard for me to not get worked up about "studies" as they are so dam* skewed by the the very researchers that are in them. Prime example. My first wife was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. she was eligible for a phase 1 trial drug with MD Anderson, it was our only hope. she then developed a blood clot, so we had to hold off on flying down for treatment. Two weeks later, they discovered the info about the blood clot (My mistake for telling them) and the pulled her off the trial. I have seen the same thing over and over with all sorts of cancer treatments. Friends who were diagnosed with bc, that on the beginning, had great results with the drugs administered. The moment she started going "south" they removed her from the study, and treated her like a pariah. it was unbelievable. didnt want to mar their study. So to me, these "researchers" are about as full of doo doo as the people on the other side of the fence. what I tell everyone is to find what resonates with you and pursue it. Western medicine or otherwise. But to put your faith in western medicine alone is much like a crap shoot. you might win, you might not. and having a minor background in statistics, one of our jokes used to be, "How would you like that to read"?

and rare or not, a hysterectomy is not a minor surgery...

My two cents.

This whole debate about traditional/alternative treatment is interesting.  What is imporant, is that neither traditional nor alternative treatments present a solid cure for breast cancer.  If so, we would not need this web site. Breast cancer is still a matter of research, and ANY program that promises a cure should be viewed with extreme skepticism.

I remember reading that during the Middle Ages Doctors and individuals had a unique cure for jaundice and the brown/orange urine in hepatitis.  Since the urine was discolored, the individual was instructed to drink urine from the public urinal in order to "flush" the brown/orange color out to return their urine to yellow. As diseases such as Hepatitis A can eventually resolve themselves, it probably appeared to often work.  To us, that treatment seems insane.  I am sure that 100 years from now, some of our alternative and traditional methods for treating breast cancer will seem just as insane.  Medical treatment is a process which is continually refined. We need further research into methods for curing breast cancer, which tends to be difficult as their are so many kinds of breast cancer.

The choice to go completely alternative, a mixture, or completely traditional is highly personal.  People should not be influenced by unsubstantiated claims, professional quality videos, or hypnotizing speakers that claim a cure.  IT IS YOUR LIFE WITH WHICH YOU ARE PLAYING.  Just be careful in your choices.  God gave you a rational mind to make decisions.  Use the mind that God gave you.  Find a QUALIFIED doctor with whom you feel comfortable and he/she will guide you in these fields.

To all of you who are Schulz fanatics (who also seem to quote the Bible). The Bible say there is wisdom in many counselors.  Do not base decisions only on this Schulz guy alone.  Check it out. Good luck to all!

Bump - Like we did't get enough of this thread already.  But I want others to see how we all have different view about this.

Hope you all are doing well.

Living in hope

Flalady

I also miss Imthankful...I wonder how she is doing....

Flalady

Hello Friends

  I had total hysterectomy and was placed on hormonal therapy which I took for 20 years and was advised to stop with diagnosis of breast CA.

                 I was diagnosed in Oct.2007 as stage 11B [ T2NmiMO,ER positive,PR negative,Her2neu3+

Had mastectomy,got treated with chemo,did not work,it metastized to bones,was treated with Herceptin.It seemed to be helping for 3 months but became ineffectve in next 3months.

Now my onco.wants to start me on TYKERB and XELODA

The side effects sound scary.

I feel like I have had enough of tradional and now it time to try some thing else.

I have been reading Genesis posts and kind of leaning toward it.I like natural and try my best to stick to organics.

I will appreciate any other suggesions.The cancer cells have spread to my liver according to recent PET scan.

    I am hoping for some positive replies.In the mean time I am going to watch the Dr schultz video.

                                                Thanks

                                                                       Kamla Anand

I wish Genesis would return and tell us how she is doing. Sadly, she was run off by folks who did not believe in what she was saying, but it was her information that encouraged me to look outside the box, and has put me on a path to wellness that I never thought possible.

Kamla, my heart goes out to you. I do not think any of us can advise you on what to do. What you are going through must be hell. All I can say is that I would do everything I could, except chemo if I was in your situation. I would do all I could to build up my immune system as much as possible to start knocking out cancer cells. Have you checked out cancertutor.com? There are great links there for treatments for all stages.

You will be in my prayers.

  Thanks Vivre and Liza

               I tried to check into Dr. Schultz plan and don't think I will be able to comly with it.

  I am checking in other web pages for more info.

    I will get this book - STEP OUTSIDE THE BOX'

     Liza,My stage 2 but spread to bones and liver So I wonder how much difference betwween your stage 4 and I mean if the same regime will help me.I will try to find the book and read all the options.

              Love and God Bless all

  Liza,where did you get all the things you are using as alt.treatment?

 I have started on Budwigs diet suggested by Bill Henderson but I am still waiting for some of the supplies get to me.Please keep posted with your recovery I will too.If any one else knows or have tried this alt. treatment called MAGIC BULETT by Bill Hederson please let the others nkow about the success rate.

          God Bless All

Haven't read all the pages, but wondering why it has to be traditional OR alternative? I expect that since each person is different and reacts differently, there is no one way to do things.  If patient and doctors (of whatever background) talk and agree on a course of treatment, and the patient is complient and communicates to doctor and the doctor(s) listen and moniter...who are we to judge if its one or the other or a little of both? Each person needs to follow their own path, knowing the ups and downs that will come along with it.

Phoenix,

Read those studies more carefully. They are only test tube studies. That means nothing. You can make cells grow or shrink with just about anything in a test tube by manipulating the amount of agent added to the MCF-7 cancer cell lines.

Now if you found studies in primates or humans that would get my attention!

Anom