Natural Healing

FloridaLady

In reference to MD Anderson's website.  They only test on herbs & supplements that they receive funding for usually only a small amount of money and even though it may have promise as treatment they will stop without funding$$$.  The only put this together because it is a international clinic and other countries use herbs and supplements all the time. And want to continue in tx.

 As other's have said.  If they can't artificially produce this in a way another Pharm. co. can't reproduce it, there is no reason to continue research.  I have been to MD Anderson the clinic from HELL.  I was put into a Phase I drug trial and purposely overdosed to see toxicity on a drug Germany knew five years early that it was a useless drug on bc.  There were 21 people in the trial we all got neuropathy to the point we looked like we had a full body stroke from four tx's.  The drug was approved after this only Phase I toxic trial.  Who protected me at America's #1 clinic?  And you think they would really care about a gentle way of treatment.  I don't think so.

I'm not saying all doctor's are bad.  I love my local oncologist but he will admit that if you don't respond to standard bc protocols of tx your on your own.

Flalady 

LAphoenix

FloridaLady,

I'm sorry for your rotten experience at MD Anderson.  While I've chosen a more conventional approach to my treatment, I fully recognize its shortcomings.  I try to keep an open mind and have tried alternative methods (which is why I visit this thread).  Some have worked for me, some have not.  I don't automatically condemn or recommend.  Genesis, however, is telling women to stop conventional treatment and get on board with Schulze ("Please - if you have already been treated by traditional medicine you can still pick up on this program and turn your life around and be freed from the hell of tradional medicine.").  Like others who have responded to this topic, I have a huge problem with this.

In response to the comments about pharmas avoiding "natural" remedies . . . Taxol is a drug that originally was derived from the Pacific yew tree.  The scientists who developed it sold their formula to Bristol-Myers.  The trees were cultivated for the drug until a shortage of the plant made artificially reproducing its properties necessary.  Plant-based drugs can be and are patented by pharmaceutical companies.  They're not stupid.  If it works at all, they will find a way to sell it.  (And no, I'm not a fan of big pharmas.  I have lots of issues concerning what they choose to research--more chemo instead of vaccines, for example.)   

Schulze is selling people herbal gallbladder and liver purges for anything and everything without offering any evidence that it works.  So isn't he, in essense, experimenting on sick people?  No clinical trial is going to promise you a cure, or say, if you try this, it will work!!!  But that's exactly what Schulze says. 

Here's a sample of what I found.  It's part of his introduction to his "Incurables" program:  

"I highly suggest for anyone who has been diagnosed as incurable or hopeless to throw out the diagnosis. Whether you are new to natural healing or have years of natural healing knowledge, this 30-day program can save your life. I used this very program in my clinic for people who had been written off as hopeless by other doctor's and health professionals. This program is intense and it works!!!!!! "You will get out of it what you put into it. You can either wait for someone to do it for you and hold your hand and that won't be me or you can jump in and give 110% and take responsibility for you health and healing. Nothing less will do.

So let's get started!!!!!!

Here are a few things to help your success rate:
• Tomorrow is what you believe today!
• Read all this material top to bottom, take a deep breath, then read it again !
• Make sure you thoroughly read the section on each of the individual formulas in this Health and Natural Healing Section, both Basics of Health as well as Beyond the Basics.
• Have all the supplies you will need for the 30 days.
• A juicer is not an option. [Huh?  I think he means not having a juicer is not an option.] If you don't have one, buy one today. It will save your life. If your not going to buy a juicer then, forget doing The Incurables Program.
• Be responsible for yourself. You created this problem and you can heal yourself. No one ever got better by feeling sorry for themselves. The doctors were wrong, you can get well.
• Forgive everyone in your past including all your doctors.
• Love, giving it and receiving it, is the most powerful cleansing and healing tool.
• Trust yourself and stop asking so many questions. You will find your own answers as you go through the process.
• You must have a good support system. A friend to along the way, and one that won't give into your victim stuff, your why me bull, somebody chat will kick your butt when you need it, Another part of your support system will be my audios, videos, and anything I've written on Natural Healing. Read and re-read, watch and re-watch. You have to EAT, DRINK, SLEEP and BREATH Natural Healing. Embrace yourself. Surround yourself with Natural Healing.
• The main function of the body is to repair and heal itself.
• Stop doing the things that hurt you and start doing the things that will Heal you.
• There are no incurable diseases. Get positive, Get right, RIGHT NOW, BELIEVE, START NOW. Again, tomorrow is what you believe today!"

FloridaLady

In reference to MD Anderson's website.  They only test on herbs & supplements that they receive funding. Usually with a small amount of money and even though it may have promise as treatment they will stop without funding$$$.  The only put this together because it is an international clinic and other countries use herbs and supplements all the time. And want to continue in tx.  I found it interesting that if you do a new drug trial they let you take anything you want. (great trial!)

 As others have said...  If they can't artificially produce this in a way another Pharm. co. can't reproduce it, there is no reason to continue research.  I have been to MD Anderson the clinic from HELL.  I was put into a Phase I drug trial and purposely overdosed to see toxicity on a drug Germany knew five years early that it was a useless drug on bc.  There were 21 people in the trial we all got neuropathy to the point we looked like we had a full body stroke from four tx's.  The drug was approved after this only Phase I toxic trial.  Who protected me at America's #1 clinic?  And you think they would really care about a gentle way of treatment.  I don't think so. Nothing in my stay lead me to believe that.

I'm not saying all doctor's are bad.  I love my local oncologist but he will admit that if you don't respond to standard bc protocols of tx your on your own.

Flalady 

FloridaLady

Laphoenix,

Have you done a drug trial? You fully do not understand this system until you experienced it.  I did my research on what chemo's are made from.  I did enough of them thank you. (7 diff chemos for 26 tx in 16 mths)  And worked everyday of them.

I have never stop reading and learning since my dx over two years ago.  I was given 3 mths to live after my first mast.  I do not know your bc journey, but having been a stage IV survivor I have a different out look than many cancer survivors. I chose to find answer from other stage IV cancer survivors as my main goal. I don't know Dr Schulze and don't really care to. With this said.. I agree with everything he says with one addition.  My connection or past disconnection with Lord is also the biggest part of this journey.

I went a seminar this weekend by author Greg Anderson.  He wrote a very popular book "Cancer 50 Essential things to do" and he interviewed 16,000+ cancer survivors looking for the common factors in their journey.  These things listed above is what he also noted as big items in everyone recovery.  I don't know how anyone can not admit that all these are issues of life that can eat away at you.  (example:Out of the 10 signs of depression six of them are of the physical body).  Greg Anderson is a 20+ year survivor of Stage IV lung cancer.  I met many stage IV survivors this weekend.  His seminar was based on. 

1.  Medical - educate yourself on your cancer.  Did not let your doctor make all your medical decisions.

2. Nutrition

3. Exercise

4. Attitude

5. Support

6. Spiritual

I have lived this for two years and can tell others it works. I don't know if I'm completely healed yet, but I know I'm enjoying everyday more and with more peace joy. My stage IV cancer is now only in a small tumor in my chest wall.

Living on hope,

flalady

genesis

Dear Flalady,

THANK YOU for sharing with us!  Flalady, I feel that all of the criticism comes from people who remain ignorant regarding natural healing.  I'm not trying to be unkind to anyone.  When someone posts just a snippet regarding natural healing and expounds on that for their opinion it is a sad statement.  Those that are on the natural healing journey are really the only ones that can attest to its validity.  I have done everything but begged and pleaded for people to do their research.  Check out Dr. Jensen, Dr. Christopher, Dr. Schulze.  I intend to check out the one you have mentioned, Greg Andrson.   I would never want anyone to base their decision on what I say.  It always comes back to taking the time to do your homework.  Because we did our homework we angered our Oncologist with our questions and knowledge before we got rid of him!!  This is quite the healing journey and we feel blessed and thankful.  Our prayers will be with you for continued success in your healing journey.

God bless,

Genesis

Cynthia1962

Genesis - The Topic is not "Natural Healing", but Alternative, Complementary, and Holistic Healing. There are a lot of different healing modalities that fall under this topic and probably as many different opinions about healing as the women on here. The thing that most of us have in common is the respect and kindness we show each other whether we agree or not. You seem intent of putting your need to be right (in your own mind) over kindness and respect. 

You said that your main goal was to introduce us to Schultz's program and you've accomplished this goal.  When you go on to attack those of us who are skeptical of him and his assertions, you only drive us further away and make yourself seem judgmental and mean.  I don't know why you take it personally when others don't want to follow the treatment choice you made.  You obviously don't believe that there are different paths to wellness.  That's your right.  It's my right to believe differently.  

Cynthia 

IMThankfull

First, thank you everyone for the open discussions here.  Regardless of the perspective, I think all views are worthy of consideration and appreciate everyone's honesty.  I know it has helped me.

I did want to comment on one particular statement above which reads in part,

"Taxol is a drug that originally was derived from the Pacific yew tree.  The scientists who developed it sold their formula to Bristol-Myers.  The trees were cultivated for the drug until a shortage of the plant made artificially reproducing its properties necessary.  Plant-based drugs can be and are patented by pharmaceutical companies.  They're not stupid."

I think there is an important distinction here.  The 1st four words of the sentence says it all, "Taxol is a drug." 

Yes, pharma companies will do everything they can to research, patent, and sell drugs - even if they are plant-based.  That is how they make money.  This should not be misconstrued as a commitment to researching all successful treatments.  Supporting research into "plant-based drugs" is NOT the equivalent of supporting research into natural treatments (herbal, plant, etc).  The fact that Pharma can patent herb/plant derivatives does not mean they are willing to fund research into non-patentable treatments.

I think it should be mentioned that often times, drugs attempt to replicate behaviors found naturally in the earth.  So even at its most basic form, the fact that they are using plant-based derivatives is a tacit admission that there is healing power to be found in nature. 

It should not be considered strange that people look to natural methods of healing when various drugs themselves try to mimic the affect of what is found in nature.

Just Some Thoughts,

Mia

Calypso

Might I ask if any of you have any experience or heard anything positive or negative about Essiac Tea?  It appears to be quite a popular alternative remedy, and I am interested in finding out more. 

IMThankfull

Someone provided me with a folder of information on Essiac, but it was all from the distributor of the tea. Of course, the claims were impressive.

I have heard (cannot remember the source right now) that one study may have shown it causing an increase in breast cancer tumors?  Please don't take this as gospel as I cannot remember the source of that but I would say look into it carefully (as with all supplements).

I have Essiac tea (extract form) and have been taking it 2x a day for the past 3 weeks.  The extract has alcohol though, which I am not too keen on.  I would have preferred the actual tea so that I could make it myself.

I am not a medical professional nor am I versed in herbal treatments, but that is all I know.  I believe you can write into the manufacturer and be provided with more info.  I was convinced enough by what I have read to give it a try.

At this point, I am trying a variety of things to treat the cancer, so I cannot say what affect the Essiac is having.  Sorry I don't have more to share.

All the best,

Mia

BlindedByScience

 This link will take you to an overview page on the National Cancer Institute Web site. From this page you can get links to much more information on Essiac:

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/essiac/Patient 

This is an excerpt from Question 3 from the NCI site:

What is the theory behind the claim that Essiac and Flor•Essence are useful in treating cancer?

Supporters of Essiac and Flor•Essence say that when the herbs they contain are mixed in exact amounts, the mixtures make the immune system stronger, have anti-inflammatory effects (decrease swelling, redness, and pain), and show anticancer activity. Individual herbs in the Essiac and Flor•Essence formulas have been shown to have these effects, but some of these herbs also have been shown to help cancer grow. No results from controlled trials have been published in peer-reviewed scientific journals on the effect of the exact formulas of Essiac and Flor•Essence in patients with cancer or other health conditions. See the PDQ health professional summary on Essiac/Flor•Essence for more information on theory.

IMThankfull

That is exactly the site where I saw info on the study.  I think it should be mentioned however that the particular study seeing an increase in tumor activity was based on use of Flor Essence, not Essiac. 

"A 2004 animal study of Flor•Essence found that it increased breast tumor growth in rats."

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/essiac/Patient/page2

I don't know that similar results have been found in Essiac alone (not Flor Essence).  The info about Essiac seems to lend itself to promoting anti-cancer activity, as acknowledged on the same site.

I chose Essiac instead of FlorEssence because I couldn't find any info stating that Essiac might cause tumor growth, but if anyone knows differently, more info would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Mia

lisametoo

Check out this site on Essiac.  This is the patent holder on the original formula as far as I know:  http://www.essiac-canada.com/index.htm

There are terrific video's showing Nurse Caisse here:  http://www.praxea.com/?gclid=CPvmrYrL748CFQ4lHgodgBIzFg#

My mother has used it for almost 6 years and is still with us today after an initial stage 3c ovarian, then a year later a DCIS.  She is stage 4 now with that, but we are very hopeful we can return her to health. 

Cynthia1962

Hi Lisa,

Did I misunderstand what you posted?  Did you just say that your mother's breast cancer progressed while using Essiac?   I'm wondering why you recommend it then?

Cynthia 

FloridaLady

If you read more about any effective natural treatments there seems to be increase tumor activity.  Natural researchers say this happens because natural treatment if used properly works 24/7 and you use it daily to keep it continually working.  Because chemo is given sporadically their strength depletes a lot with a few days after tx and than is totally gone within a few more days.  If you notice they usually scan us before we get next dose of chemo.  So chemo is not actively working or is at a very low dose.

IMThankfull

Ok, so I have finally found a moment to start looking at these videos.

As stated previously, he really is arrogant and somewhat oofensive in his communication approach.

I don't share his views on a number of topics, including his view of medical doctors.

However, he does seem knowledgable.  Also, lots of what he recommends seems consistent with what I have been reading/learning about natural healing.  I DO believe that in an ideal situation, God has so designed our body as to heal itself.  I also believe that God has provided elements of nature to nurture and replenish the body. 

I am interested enough to keep watching and potentially give his product a try.

Thanks for the recommendation!

Mia

P.S.

OK, once I get past the personality  and into the meat of his presentation, it does seem very worthwhile.  I am actually enjoying this and am thinking very seriously about ordering the incurable program.  I need a serious detox and this (at the very least) seems to be a great step in that direction.

BlindedByScience

lisametoo, I'm sorry to hear your mother has progressed to stage 4.

Regarding the Essiac in her case (or anyone else's), it really can't be determined if it was helpful or harmful or neutral. Some in vitro evidence says some cancer can progress on some components of Essiac while other components may inhibit some cancers. Without a study that includes a control group, and collects all the pertinent information about each participant and their particular cancer, there simply is no data that can be relied on to indicated who, if anyone, would benefit from Essiac.

There's not even very much in vitro data, much less any reliable collection of data on how it effects whole people. 

If someone takes Essiac, that is an experiment of one. Nothing can be determined from it. Same for laetril or zeolite or Km or colloidal silver. On the other hand, there are supplements & foods & herbs that have more peer-reviewed research on them & epidemiology studies, but still no clinical trials, that I would be more comfortable relying on in making choices. 

I think there's some interesting positive data on curcumin, for example. Quercetin is promising (and hard to avoid if you eat plants) as is melatonin. Vitamin D & calcium are at the top of my list of recommendations, too.

Daily exercise is also rated very high as helping to prevent and inhibit the growth of a percentage of breast cancers. Avoiding alcohol is very likely to be beneficial.

Whatever we choose to do outside the choices our MD's give us, is likely to be part hope, part intuition and part data.  Some want more data than others, some have more hope.

mimi1030

I was just wondering, for you ladies that are so against traditional medicine.  How do you all know your cancers are doing well? You would have to go to traditional medicine to receive scans to see how you are doing.  Again, just because you feel well doesn't mean the cancer is not spreading.  I was just curious on your approach to how you know what is happening inside your bodies, as Dr Schultze doesn't seem to have a way to look inside your bodies to know how things are really responding.  What method do you use?

genesis

Dear Mimi,

Good question!   In traditional medicine the doctors not only administer detrimental surgery and drugs but also, in order to diagnose, want to administer more detrimental diagnostic testing.  We that follow in the natural healing protocol also believe our doctors as well.  In my case Dr. Schulze says not to do any diagnostic testing.  He does not even like you to have needles stuck into you.  But I do have blood tests and tumor markers done.  We know that that is not 100% in accuracy but I am willing to live with that.  We do not  have your statistics to build our confidence or tear it down but everything he has said to this point that would take place has taken place.... so we will continue to believe and heal.  Time will tell as in all cases.

God bless,

Genesis

IMThankfull

From what I hear, there are a few ways to track this.

There is said to be an at-home urine test that one can take to determine if cancer is present.  I don't know much about this.

There are also Naturopathic Physicians (specializing in alternative/holistic approaches) who can easily track you and run all of the tests/scans/labs needed.  They are considered doctors as well (N.D.s, not M.D.s).

It is also possible to have such tests run by M.D.s.  Just because you choose an alternative approach doesn't mean you cannot choose to avail yourself of these resources.

For me, I have to say that I am not "against" traditional medicine.  I am "against" the particular recommendation of a chemo/rad approach as a solution for me.  In fact, I would be completely happy to continue my relationship with my oncologist while I pursue the treatment approach that IS right for me.

What I would love to know is why is traditional medicine so against the alternatives?

Mia

FloridaLady

Mimi,

Most of us do continue to go to our oncologist as long as they will see us.  Some stand by you some don't.  I have found most doctors will still see you if you have done at least one course of traditional treatment. (to cover the butt) And this is not to say that I would not do traditional treatment if they could prove to me that I'm not a large rat to experiment on.  Next tx I need proof.  I have been mainstream tx continually for 21/2 years. 

Flalady

mimi1030

Oh I am not against alternatives as a compliment to traditional therapy, I just don't feel alternative therapy alone has shown me personally enough reliability that I am willing to put my mother life on the line for it.  That doesn't mean I don't advocate a healthy lifestyle for her.  I have my mother on an ph balanced diet, as I know very well that cancer can only survive in an acidic environment.  I am a former nurse, so I know the ins and outs of what works and what doesn't in the field of medicine.  I did plan on becoming a doctor in pediatric oncology, but with the high costs of education in this country my dream never came to pass.  So I do believe that many of today's issues are because of the unhealthy lifestyles we live. 

I make all the medical decisions with my mom, she always consults with me and we discuss what I feel is good for her.  We discuss these ideas/issues with her oncologist and get there feedback on what research has revealed and has not.  My mom's cancer was widespread and extensive to liver and bones.  That was last October, today her liver and bones are a few millimeters off NED.  Next scan we hope to hear that is the case.  I introduced my mom to a low acidic diet, she monitors her bodys PH balance each week to see how well she is doing.  And she is maintaining a neutral to slightly alkaline environment in her body, a far cry for the high acidic environment she had when dx. 

However, I would not take away the chemo or herceptin from her.  She has a highly aggressive cancer, she is her2 +++ and there is no known way to prevent reproduction of the Her2 gene naturally.  It is because of her overexpressing the Her2 gene that the cancer grows and herceptin is the only thing that will contain it.  She is very healthy, all her panels are normal, scans are excellent.  She feels great even on weekly chemo she runs a mile a day. 

It was my mom's sister in law that died of breast cancer through her fanatical scientology beliefs of no traditional medicine, she went all holistic.  Didn't serve her well at all, so needless to say with that experience I was not about to expose my mom to "maybe or maybe not" treatments.  My mom has an 11 year old at home and she was not about to experiment with her life.  God is the true physician, anyone who heals or performs miracles here on earth are given the power to do so by God himself.  You have to work in an ER room to see the miracles doctors perform on a daily basis, I have seen it.  I saw God's work every day in them, to say that God only heals through natural methods is to limit God's capabilities. 

But it is all about personal choice, I personally would want to know if my cancer was gone, stable or progressing.  I am human, I am not God, I would be afraid not knowing what is happening to me.  There are some herbal medicines that are poisonous to the body also.  An asian woman who was taking tablet doses of green tea extract, she died of liver failure.  Green tea is exactly what it is a tea.  Not something to be made into a pill in massive concentrated doses to be taken over long periods of time.  I personally am not comfortable with taking herbs that have not been tested for its long term toxicity.  But that is my personal choice. 

Michelle

FloridaLady

Mimi,

I see you concerns and understand your stand.  But remember chemo only has to have a rate response (2 mth of no progression of disease) in only 25% of patients to be approved.  Over 46,000 ladies die very year with 95% using main stream meds.  I don't think it is a perfect system by far.  Most survival is do to surgery that has successfully removed all cancer cells. I choose to use both and up my chances. Also reduce the toxic side effects of main stream treatment.

Falady

lisametoo

Dear Cynthia,

My Mom has continued to use Essiac throughout her disease.  In my opinion, it has contributed to her longevity.  She was diagnosed in July of 2002 stage 3c ovarian.  She had 5 rounds of Taxol and Carbo-cisplatin.  She reached remission after 2 rounds.  In May of 2004 she was diagnosed with stage I DCIS no positive nodes (only sentinel removed).  She did no other treatment.  In June of 2007, she was again biopsied (axillary node), and it was positive.  Last December she received 14 radiation treatments to her spine for mets.  She has mets to her sternum also, a couple of other areas are suspicious.  We went into some serious alternative treatments in December and to date she is feeling really good.  She just had blood taken this week, and we will see where her tumor markers are.  I've posted her treatment regimen on this board.  She's almost 83, and she wanted quality of life vs. the potential of side effects of the drug therapy.  We are very hopeful all we are doing will eradicate the imbalance that causes the cancer.  It takes a multi-pronged approach.  Her greatest obstacle is her spirituality.  She has resentments in her life.  Got to let all that go, forgive, be peaceful with all situations etc.  Will keep the board posted.  God Bless to all you beautiful ladies.

mimi1030

I know how statistics work...they are not the way to gauge the percentage of people who die with breast cancer via traditional or Alternative medicine.  Stats are collected from a database from each hospital/mortuary/hospice and people who died at home, because everyone has to be recorded in the states department of deaths etc.  So there is no definitive way to percentage out who dies from traditional vs alternative.  On any death certificate you will only see the cause of death.  So, to say that most people who die of breast cancer chose the traditional method, is simply not accurate.  Of those 46+ thousand people who die with it each year, there is really no way to know what percentage of those people chose to abandon traditional medicine for alternative methods.  Statistics do not work, and science knows this.  Statisitically my mother should never have had cancer.  We have no cancer in our family.  My mother had 3 children, 2 before the age of 30.  She did not take hormone replacement.  All these statistics should have gone in her favor, yes they didn't.  Statistics said the cancer should not have come back as she was stage 1 DCIS, but again the stats were wrong and she had a reoccurance.  So, I really do not think that stats have anything to do with it.

Chemo is not only the mainstream line of treatment anymore, with tamoxifen and herceptin...they have turned cancer on there heads as it is targeted therapy along with chemo.  It targets the problem at the DNA level, the genes responsible for why women overexpress certain cells that product the cancer in the first place.  It is not a woman's lifestyle that makes her get cancer.  Cancer is present at birth, in the healthiest little baby somewhere in that babies DNA and cellular mechanism is cancer, whether it grows is another thing entirely.  Look at babies with cancer, they haven't had the chance to toxify there bodies with sugar and caffine and drugs and yet they still get cancer.  Alternative therapy is not an option for babies and young children with cancer.  What do you suggest a parent do to save there child. 

I just wanted to also add that I understand maybe why Lisa wants to use alternative therapy for her mom, at 83 I can say I wouldn't want to go through all that myself.  But these ladies in the mets forum are as young as 23, they have not lived there life out yet.  They are scared and need support in their fight, they do not need to hear that you are living in hell with traditional treatment.  And you can have a reawaking of sorts and redeem yourself and chose my way.  That is not what this website was designed for. 

I will agree to disagree with Dr Shultze, and that is my choice.  This will be my final post in this thread, as I have said all I need to say.

I pray you all do well on your journey. 

God Bless you,

Michelle

trigeek

Oh my. how did I miss this thread.

I finished my Dose Dense Chemo had bilateral mastectomy and am waiting for my recons surgery to heal before starting the tanning (rads) I chose the most conventional aggressive treatment because I felt that my body could handle it, after all I did not have any of the stated risk factors and was taking good care of my body (exercise, body weight, no alcohol, no smoking, organic foods.. limited red meat, superfood-algae.... not even allowing the house to be pesticized, no GMO food, no msg.. ) and felt strong as a horse(pardon the term) when I got diagnosed.

Now I strongly believe that I have to address this problem with conventional medicine and natural actions.

IMHO they are not interchangeable.

Conventional medicine takes care of the symptoms, not the cause. And while the symptoms are taken under control I want to fight the cause with complimentary actions. May this be nutrition, life style, environment so that I do not let the same situation recur. 

Thanks for posting the link, and as to people who are thinking you are pushy.. oh c'mon we are all adults here and no one can tell a cancer beatchhh what to do right ? And I am happy that the site admins are allowins such a discussion to go on .. breastcancer.org is the best !!

Love to all !

Aylin

lindaDK

Oh Aylin, I soo have to agree with you.  You said it perfect.   I also choose to attack this monster with everything I could, conventional medicine and alternative therapies.  I'm looking into Dr Shulze's  super foods, I'm intrigued and will probably give it a try once I'm done with the protocol I'm doing now.  

I appreciate Genesis, Lisametoo and everyone else who shares information they have come across or research they have done, with this board rather I agree with them or not.  Genesis I have found you to be most informative and gracious, and obviously very strong to put up with some of the posts in this thread.  You sound like a very nice person and hope you continue to share your experiences with us. 

Its up to each of us to do our own research and make our own decisions.  There is a lot of good information and links in this thread.    

genesis

Dear Michelle,

I needed to reply to your last comment.....how can you agree to disagree with something you know so little about??  You have only gotten the tip of the iceberg.  This makes me sad because if you really took the time to learn of natural healing you would understand that it gets to the root cause of the disease and heals.  I will continue to say please take the time to be taught.  Schulze happens to be a very good teacher.  He knows his stuff and he is humbled by how we are "..fearfully and wonderfully made" by God.  He understands we will never have all the answers. 

Regarding babies with cancer, they absolutely have had more than ample opportunity to toxify themselves when being carried by the mother.......think about it!!

These young women that you are concerned about are going to find out the truth real fast and they won't have to read it here to become informed.  The truth will set you free.......but you will never get to the truth if you only know one side of the story......

I am here because I care and my heart aches for the many situations I read about.

My Husband and I will continue our prayers for all of you.

God bless,

Genesis

trigeek

Went to google videos but was not able to find the 12 video series, did they get moved ?

Yazmin

FloridaLady wrote:

Most survival is due to surgery that has successfully removed all cancer cells.

This is soooooo true.

But Mimi1030 said: "Look at babies with cancer, they haven't had the chance to toxify there bodies with sugar and caffine and drugs and yet they still get cancer". 

Right: babies have not had time to "toxify" themselves as you put it:  But their mothers had plenty of time to pass their toxins on to those babies, making them vulnerable to cancer long before they are born.

Yazmin

Prihode wrote (further up):

"....If she would have had traditional treatment, she would not be in the situation that she is in. ..."

If you are able to say that with so much assurance, you are doing much better than the doctors: they cannot say for sure if their treatments are actually going to stop someone from dying.