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  • Optimist52
    Optimist52 Member Posts: 302
    edited April 2016

    Singlemom1, I can definitely see how your friend's comments would have hurt you. Like many others here, I have been surprised and hurt by the insensitivity of friends and family. Also amazed at the sheer ignorance out there about breast cancer. I feel for you and your daughter and wish you many, many more years.

    MelissaDallas, many of us have little to no real 'choice' about taking AIs. Frankly, I would prefer to have avoided the dry eyes, headaches, thinning hair, aching joints, sad moods, weaker nails, higher cholesterol, zero sex drive, I could go on …. broken bones possibly down the track although bone scans will keep an eye on this. But I am pleased there is something I can take which gives me a reasonable chance of not recurring again. The very rare possibility of a broken hip (which can be replaced) is not a reason that many would regard to not take AIs.

  • singlemom1
    singlemom1 Member Posts: 434
    edited April 2016

    Thank you optimist52 for your compassion and understanding.

  • Selizabeth12
    Selizabeth12 Member Posts: 18
    edited April 2016

    MelissaDallas- As the daughter of a breast cancer "patient" I just have to say that your statement accusing a woman who is living with TERMINAL CANCER of trying to create a contest to "prove" that her condition is worse is simply insensitive. From your post, it seems that you would consider a condition that has "potentially" life threatening consequences and "could" eventually lead to death the same as a condition (such as stage 4 TERMINAL BREAST CANCER) that HAS life threatening consequences and WILL eventually lead to death. Terminal cancer IS worse than "moderate arthritis" and I don't see how anyone could logically defend their position otherwise. I don't believe that you will ever find a woman who wouldn't be completely thrilled to have "moderate arthritis" which on it's own literally cannot kill you and only MIGHT eventually warrant elective surgery to improve quality of life in place of having terminal cancer, where they HAVE to endure disfiguring surgeries, chemotherapy, frequent shots & pokes, radiation that burns them and medically induced arthritis from medications that keep them alive. Sure, arthritis is unfortunate and definitely not ideal, but would likely be a walk in the park compared to what a lot of the ladies on this forum have to endure and you have no right to tell any of them that they are wrong for being offended by anyone who believes the two conditions are even remotely comparable.

    What a blessing for you though, that you have assessed that your chances of dying from a situation that literally on it's own cannot kill you, such as a broken hip, are higher than dying of cancer. I'll pray that your prognosis continues to stay as optimistic.

  • MeToo14
    MeToo14 Member Posts: 493
    edited May 2016

    Before I was diagnosed, I went for an US. I got called back that same day to then have a mammogram. It was a long process and as I was leaving the woman taking the images said to me "let's hope it's not what we think it is"!

    WTF?! She said it with a cheery voice and a big smile on her face. Some people are so clueless.

  • MsPharoah
    MsPharoah Member Posts: 1,034
    edited May 2016

    MeToo....That woman is the MVP of WTF!!

    MsP

  • Mrs774
    Mrs774 Member Posts: 3
    edited May 2016

    I truly enjoy this feed because it helps me know I'm not alone. My way of dealing with things has always been humour so my onc and I have developed a great relationship. During my last visit there was a male student Doctor with us...

    Onc "ok up on the table this young man is going to have a look at your breasts"

    Me " oh good it's been awhile since a young man has looked at my breasts(hubs is 43)"

    Student " its ok I prefer mine without cancer"

    Onc " I'm sure she prefers not to have cancer either, it wasn't a choice, can you just give the patient and I a minute alone"

    If my oncologist wasn't there I would have junk punched that boy. Wtf.

    That's just one of many comments I get.

    I sent a picture of myself to my mother and she responded with " Ahhh why did you shave off your eyebrows? Your husband is so handsome, does he still take you out for supper?"

    I didn't shave my eyebrows, they fell out you moron and no I take him out for supper Lol

    Hopefully everyone is doing well xxximage

  • tjh
    tjh Member Posts: 469
    edited May 2016

    Not about cancer, but humorous....I don't see student doctors even with my Doctors in the room. I had one of my daughters in the ER for strep throat. At the time I had a day care in my home and it was sweeping through. The resident/intern looks in her throat and says "She doesn't have strep, her tonsils look great" and then he argued about taking a strep test while staring at her boobs...7th grade, Jr size 5 with 34D. I asked. "Any other thoughts since her tonsils were removed 3 years ago?" His reply "Oh, let me have another look". I said "Hell no...I will will see her Doctor and the Hospital Administrator tomorrow. " He about cried...I told the administration that if they billed my insurance I would have them charged with fraud. She saw her Doctor the next day. Positive strep test:) You ALWAYS have the option of saying NO if your Doctor has a student or intern with them.

  • MsPharoah
    MsPharoah Member Posts: 1,034
    edited May 2016

    Mrs774......thanks for sharing. Loved your comment about being the one taking hubs to supper!!! You are beautiful by the way, so lucky husband. I like the way your oncologist protected you from the student doctor's comment. You've got a keeper there! All the best as you finish treatment.

    MsP

  • CJSharma
    CJSharma Member Posts: 464
    edited May 2016

    I typically brush off comments as "You look so good", or "I can't even tell you're sick", as compliments and just smile.

    My sister is the one driving me crazy. We lost our mom to liver cancer, so when I was first diagnosed, she automatically assumed I was terminal. My daughter actually had a "talk" with my sister about acting like I'm going to die. I think it upset my daughter more than it did me, as I understood where my sister was coming from. But after all that, she was supposed to come out (which while I love her dearly, I think she would drive me literally up a wall - although the one good thing - if she came out after surgery - she's very high energy, so my house would be clean... hmmm), But I digress. She was supposed to come out, and just last night asked me if I thought I would survive this. (The original conversation with my daughter was in March). Then her husband is supposed to be in the Bay Area (they live on the East Coast), and she wanted to know if I wanted him to sit with me through chemo. I do like my brother in law, but I can't even begin to explain how awkward that would be. So, I said, no, but I would love to meet up with him for dinner. Oy! At least she is trying to be supportive. But wow.

    I hear "You're so strong" a lot, but as I was called a warrior before this, I guess that's to be expected.

    The one thing this has taught me is what TO say. A friend is being biopsied for cervical cancer and I just reached out to her offering an ear. I found the scariest time is between the biopsy and the results, and you don't want to scare your family by talking about your fears. And I found that only someone who has been through this gets the dark areas where you mind travels. Another friend is losing her husband to brain cancer. We met up for drinks on the beach in Half Moon Bay, and just shared stories. It was cathartic for both of us.

  • jenn32214
    jenn32214 Member Posts: 89
    edited May 2016

    "and I have a 10 year old daughter with no father, no grandparents and no aunts or uncles. All she has is me"

    I have just recently been diagnosed, but I have a 10 year old son (and a 17 year old daughter) and we have no other family in our lives either. And while their dad is still in the picture, he among other things is addicted to pot and porn and has a much younger girlfriend living with him who is so messed up I've been told my kids shouldn't be around her.

    I myself have not been hit, at least not yet, with truly insensitive comments per se. It's more when I feel like people are being kind of polyanna and not really getting the full weight of my situation. Like above, or the fact I have a family history of cancer including my mom and her older brother dying from it.

  • ShetlandPony
    ShetlandPony Member Posts: 4,924
    edited June 2016

    Tjh, you rock.

  • DancingElizabeth
    DancingElizabeth Member Posts: 415
    edited June 2016

    I haven't posted here before...just lurked...

    But, have to say...

    Singlemom - I totally agree with you and (most) of the other posts on here. I think most of us would switch to only having bad hips over a serious disease - in a heartbeat. BTW...my daughter is almost your daughter's age. She is 9 and 1/2 and I worry about her all the time.....

  • bride
    bride Member Posts: 382
    edited July 2016

    It has been a while since I've posted here -- my DP has been in the hospital five times since January, she's finally on the mend. But her last hospitalization was caused by a royal screw up by her PCP and the hospital's lab. Okay, at 1:15 on a Saturday night I noticed that she was getting incoherent and her skin color was awful. So I throw on some pants and leave my soft clingy tee shirt on and drive her to the hospital. The triage nurse listens to me and we race her to a trauma room. The nurses start doing all the right things then leave the room. Two minutes later my DP crashes. I hit the red crisis button and the crash cart and lots of people arrive. One doctor turns to me and says I need to leave. I understand this and start gathering up all of our stuff. As I'm getting ready to leave, another doctor says "you have cancer, you shouldn't be here, you need to have an oncologist look at you." Asshole. I'm in my second year of NED, I wasn't treated at that hospital as no one had experience with IBC. Cancer had nothing to do with me being with my DP and I certainly didn't need an oncologist. When I demanded to see her blood work from the day before. Her hemoglobin was 5 -- that's not compatible with life. No one had bothered to call us on Friday with her lab results. Those results would have made me rush my DP to the hospital. The you have cancer doctor comes in to get permission to start blood transfusions and says "I'll write you orders for admission to the oncology ward." I lost it and said why the frick do you think I need to be admitted to the hospital? His answer: you only have one breast." Duh, no kidding doctor, I haven't had the missing breast for two years, why is this a medical emergency? The patient advocate says she'll take care of it. She apologized and I asked if we could write orders admitting him to the psych ward.

    Damn, my DP just had CPR and this flake is obsessing on my "missing" breast. I came real close to hitting him.

    Sigh

    brid

  • bride
    bride Member Posts: 382
    edited July 2016

    It has been a while since I've posted here -- my DP has been in the hospital five times since January, she's finally on the mend. But her last hospitalization was caused by a royal screw up by her PCP and the hospital's lab. Okay, at 1:15 on a Saturday night I noticed that she was getting incoherent and her skin color was awful. So I throw on some pants and leave my soft clingy tee shirt on and drive her to the hospital. The triage nurse listens to me and we race her to a trauma room. The nurses start doing all the right things then leave the room. Two minutes later my DP crashes. I hit the red crisis button and the crash cart and lots of people arrive. One doctor turns to me and says I need to leave. I understand this and start gathering up all of our stuff. As I'm getting ready to leave, another doctor says "you have cancer, you shouldn't be here, you need to have an oncologist look at you." Asshole. I'm in my second year of NED, I wasn't treated at that hospital as no one had experience with IBC. Cancer had nothing to do with me being with my DP and I certainly didn't need an oncologist. When I demanded to see her blood work from the day before. Her hemoglobin was 5 -- that's not compatible with life. No one had bothered to call us on Friday with her lab results. Those results would have made me rush my DP to the hospital. The you have cancer doctor comes in to get permission to start blood transfusions and says "I'll write you orders for admission to the oncology ward." I lost it and said why the frick do you think I need to be admitted to the hospital? His answer: you only have one breast." Duh, no kidding doctor, I haven't had the missing breast for two years, why is this a medical emergency? The patient advocate says she'll take care of it. She apologized and I asked if we could write orders admitting him to the psych ward.

    Damn, my DP just had CPR and this flake is obsessing on my "missing" breast. I came real close to hitting him.

    Sigh

    bride

  • solfeo
    solfeo Member Posts: 838
    edited July 2016

    Bride what an absurd thing to have to go through. Obviously you were already under a doctor's care if you are missing the breast. What did he think you did, cut it off yourself at home or that it fell off spontaneously and you hadn't noticed? Pure craziness. Sorry you had to go through that on top of the immediate problem, which I'm sure was stressful enough. Hope everything is OK.

  • ksusan
    ksusan Member Posts: 4,505
    edited July 2016

    I'd encourage you to complain to the ombuds.

  • HelenWNZ
    HelenWNZ Member Posts: 485
    edited July 2016

    My elderly mere male (MM) neighbour asked if I was in pain after my surgery and how long was the treatment going to take as he gave me a single silverbeet leaf.

    I said the rest of my life I expect and thanked him for the leaf to feed my family of four.

    What was so annoying was his sister died from the disease - he had no clue at how insensitive he sounded.

    GRRRR


  • LAstar
    LAstar Member Posts: 1,574
    edited July 2016

    bride, that is insane. Did he think you didn't notice that you were down to one breast? Did he think that Cancer had just plucked it from your chest without you noticing? "We need an oncologist in here STAT!" It's boggling my mind to think that a trained medical professional would treat you that way.

  • MFalabella
    MFalabella Member Posts: 176
    edited July 2016

    I have many chronic illness' and get so tired hearing all the crappy "advice"


    xoxoMichelle

  • solfeo
    solfeo Member Posts: 838
    edited August 2016

    Heard a good one today in physical therapy for a torn rotator cuff. Just making conversation with the therapist, and the cancer is a topic because the fact that I had a mastectomy and SNB influences the PT. Poor guy meant well but asked a pretty dumb question: "Did they get it in time?" I wanted to say in time for what? Instead I went with, "Well, they got it out," and I changed the subject. Fortunately I find these things more amusing than insulting.

  • sbelizabeth
    sbelizabeth Member Posts: 2,889
    edited August 2016

    Solfeo, I'm angry just reading your post. What did he expect? "No, I'm dying, but I'll try to not do it right now"?

    I believe I would have asked the question "In time for what?" and just watched him squirm.

  • MsPharoah
    MsPharoah Member Posts: 1,034
    edited August 2016

    Solfeo, I had a new PCP poke, not palpate my collarbone and ask me if my cancer had spread. Needless to say, he was no longer my PCP. I was so shocked, that I could only reply.... I don't think so, did you happen to poke at something suspicious?

    sbelizabeth.....wouldn't it be nice if we could think of these retorts at the time.

    MsP

  • sbelizabeth
    sbelizabeth Member Posts: 2,889
    edited August 2016

    It's strange...what might seem like an off-hand set of questions, not in the least meant to be insensitive, made my blood boil. I must have a "cancer experiencer" chip on my shoulder.

    I visited the ortho, who said I need both knees replaced, so I was already stinging from bad news. Then the conversation went like this:

    • Ortho: what's an aromatase inhibitor? Is it like arimidex?
    • Me: yes, it's for breast cancer recurrence prevention.
    • Ortho: you had a lumpectomy, right?
    • Me: no, it was Stage III, I had a mastectomy.
    • Ortho: no nodes, right?
    • Me:...silence...there were lots of nodes.
    • Ortho: oh...are you in remission?


    It was like he made the assumption that this deadly disease can only present as a little zit that needs popping, and when he learned the truth, he was wondering if it was worth his time to fix my knees, since I would be dead soon.

    This visit didn't go well. I will be finding another ortho.

  • leftduetostupidmods
    leftduetostupidmods Member Posts: 620
    edited August 2016

    Talking to neighbor woman who admires my new dress that is a halter top. She says:

    "oh how I envy you for being able to wear this. I can't, at my age I'm too droopy."

    I stare her in the eye and ask "wanna switch places?"

    She got red in the face, mumbled her goodbyes, turned around and left.

  • LAstar
    LAstar Member Posts: 1,574
    edited August 2016

    I count halter dresses among my silver linings. Then I pretend my LE sleeve is a glamorous glove and roll with it.

  • Annie-B-7-14
    Annie-B-7-14 Member Posts: 52
    edited August 2016

    hi all!

    Thanks for letting me laugh and cry along!

    Here's one from a colleague:

    Colleague: at least they caught it early.

    Me: well, actually It's kinda frustrating since my tumors are so big it seems they missed it for years, I have dense breasts and probably should have had an ultrasound with my mammograms and they would have caught it earlier.

    Colleague: I can see why insurance won't pay for additional ultrasounds.

    Me: ok well I'm sure the insurance company regrets that now that I've had MX, reconstruction, and will havechemo, rads and 10 years of tamoxifen. Seems like ultrasound woulda cut at least SOME of those costs.

    Colleague:.........

  • Leees
    Leees Member Posts: 6
    edited September 2016

    From my own sister... I really hope she didn't intend this the way it sounded.

    Me (deciding between lumpectomy and mastectomy): I hope you never have to make the decision whether to lose a part of your body.

    Sister: I think I know what I'd do. It's just like when I had my c-section. It was awful for a while but then I got better before I knew it.

    Me: **stunned silence**

  • wirdgirl118
    wirdgirl118 Member Posts: 231
    edited December 2016

    hi ORgirl I noticed you said you had fibrosis from radiation. I had radiation in 2006 and after a BMX in 2013, now I'm experiencing pain on that side. I am wondering now, is my pain not from nerve damage or scar tissue from the surgery, but fibrosis? I did not have radiation on the other side and I do also have some pain on that side now, but it's different pain, if you know what I mean.

  • blondedoris
    blondedoris Member Posts: 197
    edited December 2016

    Had some well meaning but insane shop assistant ask me if I had breast cancer (currently in a scarf) so I replied, yes, I do. She squeezed my arm and told me how I'd be just fine as she'd been through it 5 years ago. My response was, well, that's great for you, but I'm metstatic, so I'm just doing what I can.

    She then lit up into a rave about how amazing hemp oil is, as her friend uses it, and I should really be adding that into my treatments. I backed off, explaining that I didn't think that was legal over here (bear in mind this is xmas season, the supermarket was packed and now people are looking at her as she's excitedly explaining how to use it).

    So i thank her, try to back off politely and as I walk off she's literally screaming, "Hemp oil! it works! HEEEEEEMMMPP OIL!". Truly crazy lady. Screeching about something most likely illegal where we live in public...bonkers but well meaning I suppose.

  • sbelizabeth
    sbelizabeth Member Posts: 2,889
    edited December 2016

    Blondedoris, you were put in an awful situation, and you managed it kindly. I'm amazed at the forwardness (I can't think of another word right now) of strangers when I hear such stories such as this. It sure makes you wish you saw it coming and had time to formulate the perfect reply, doesn't it?

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