POLITICAL JUNKIES
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Ruth...I love reading this thread..you are all very mature how you discuss the POLITICS.
I hope it stays this way
Sheila
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Definitely. My opinion is that the country was much better off when the private lives of candidates were kept out of politics. Lady Bird Johnson (whose husband was a terrible womanizer) expressed her concern that there would be many fewer qualified people running for office if they either would have had to lived a life as pure as driven snow, or risk having every stupid thing they have ever done being dragged through the mud.
It is not the same today. When I read the level of rudeness and insults that people post about people they don't agree with, I cringe. Any sort of idea that you might disagree without being disagreeable is gone. The coarsening of America. How does one get civility back, I wonder?
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I just got icked out on the Ted Cruz 5 affairs.
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Marijen (now Ooo) isn't a troll. She has participated actively in many threads and didn't start this one. She may have decided that this wasn't a comfortable thread for her to be in.
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I am sorry she felt that way. I enjoyed her comments.
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https://www.facebook.com/BuzzFeedNews/videos/1114564681897882/?pnref=storyy This video in a side by side comparison of the differences between Donald Trump's views on women and President Obama's views on women and why it is very difficult for most women to get behind Donald Trump for President EVEN if they are die hard Republicans. My daughter sent me this.
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April. Thanks for the link. The video is powerful. I plan to share it on my FB page after the Easter weekend. I hope those view it, if they haven't made the connection yet, will realize we've had a very pro-woman president for eight years and moving from that to one who so obviously and blatantly objectifies women at every turn would be...well, there are so many descriptions of what it would be. Archaic. Prehistoric. Unfathomable. Destructive. And so on. -
I know late night talk show hosts have great material from this election with which to write jokes. I don't often stay up to watch, but last night I saw Seth Meyers, formerly of SNL, now with his own show, make some funny yet revealing observations about Trump. He showed a clip of how Trump had to cancel his Chicago rally after violence broke out between supporters and protesters and Trump saying, "we have a divided country." and how it was impossible to hold a rally in big cities because of how divisive the nation was. Then Seth says: meanwhile, eight miles away from where the Trump rally was supposed to be held: and a clip is shown of Bernie Sanders and his supporters in direct contrast holding a rally so peaceful it was practically a love fest.
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Did you see the clip of the little bird that landed on the stage & then flew right up on the podium at the Sanders rally a day or so ago? If you haven't, you should google it. Adorable!
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Great piece in last week's Chicago Tribune by Steve Chapman: From Sarah Palin to Donald Trump
During Mitt Romney's recent speech denouncing Donald Trump as "a fraud," a stark question arose: How did the Republican Party go, in four years, from nominating a sober grown-up with a record of achievement in the public and private sectors to embracing a loudmouthed playboy with a string of bankruptcies and no experience in government?
Remember when George W. Bush vowed to "restore honor and dignity to the White House"? Those qualities are no longer in demand. Say what you will about Romney, you would trust him with your wallet or your daughter. Trump? Not a chance.
It's not always possible to identify the moment when a journey to destruction began. But in the case of the Republican Party, there is no doubt: Friday, Aug. 29, 2008. That day, presidential nominee John McCain announced that his running mate would be Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin. It was a test for McCain and the GOP rank and file. Both failed, and the party has never recovered.
The problem is not that Palin was a poor candidate who helped drag the ticket to defeat. The problem is that she was celebrated for qualities that were irrelevant and excused for defects that should have been disqualifying. Instead of recognizing her inadequacy, Republicans hailed her backcountry hockey-mom persona, her scorn for the "spinelessness" of elites, her inflammatory rhetoric and her inexperience in the matters a vice president and president have to handle.
Some conservatives weren't caught up in the adulation, but many who should have known better were. Former Dan Quayle speechwriter Lisa Schiffren gushed, "It couldn't get much better than that." Wall Street Journal columnist Daniel Henninger sneered at skeptics who thought Palin didn't "have sufficient experience," commending her as a "grounded, common-sense person."
The late Sen. Fred Thompson, R-Tenn., extolled her at the GOP national convention as "a breath of fresh air" and bragged that she was "the only candidate who knows how to field-dress a moose." Her fiery address sent the delegates into paroxysms of ecstasy.
The ensuing months and years exposed Palin as a glib egomaniac with a penchant for lying who knew little about national and international affairs (and cared less). But none of the discoveries did much damage.
Even after abruptly resigning as governor, she remained a Republican star and a tea party favorite whose endorsement was coveted by GOP candidates. Fox News hired her. She became an annual draw at the Conservative Political Action Conference. Her book Going Rogue sold more than 2 million copies.
Through the years, she made it all about Sarah, the fearless "mama grizzly" who scorned the "lamestream media," referred to the president as "Barack Hussein Obama" and defended waterboarding as "how we baptize terrorists." Her hubris, demagoguery and irresponsibility were a heady mixture that many could not get enough of—and that no one could match.
Until this year, that is, when Trump appeared on the scene and captivated a large share of the electorate. His contrasting biography—a luxury-loving, high-rise-living, Ivy League-educated Manhattan tycoon who would rather play golf than shoot big game—obscures the ways in which he resembles Palin.
Like her, he substitutes certitude for understanding. Like her, he revels in self-infatuation. Like her, he heaps contempt on his critics. Like her, he exploits a pervasive sense of victimhood among whites who distrust minorities. As with Palin, it's the distinctive persona and abrasive attitude that attract followers.
They see Trump as a man of great talents who offends the establishment because he understands and speaks for the common folk. Trump supporters don't care that he has only a shaky grasp of vital issues. Knowledge, many of them obviously believe, is overrated. Ideology is secondary. Gut instincts are what really matter.
That was the appeal of Palin, too. So it was no surprise to see her endorse him. Palin paved the way for a trash-talking narcissist to take over the party. Their partnership was destiny.
William Kristol, editor of the conservative Weekly Standard, wrote recently in opposition to Trump, calling him the "epitome of vulgarity" and his campaign a form of "two-bit Caesarism." But in the summer of 2008, Kristol called on McCain to choose Palin, who fits the same description.
In wrapping its arms around her, the Republican Party sold its soul. Trump is just here to collect.
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LOL suersis. I read that Ms. Palin is getting a new reality TV show. She'll be a courtroom judge.
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I never saw a a Trump/Palin ticket as a reality. Trump didn't seem to welcome the three ring circus that tends to generate around Palin's public appearances supporting him. Plus, you know, she's a woman. So I think he probably doesn't have any respect for her opinions and ideas.
Trump, at 69 years old, has a long history of objectifying women. That won't change. He was raised in a by-gone era where it was okay for men to be like that, a product of his generation. I hope the people of the Unites States reject his outdated, oppressive mindset and outlook in favor of contemporary, progressive thinking
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What is surreal to me is how people are wondering how the Republican Party could end up with Trump, but not be shocked that the Democrat Party would probably be electing a declared socialist right now if they thought they could get away with it? Has anyone noticed how far that party has wandered to the dark side? Undermining Israel, the only democracy in the Middle East, kissing up to Iran, destabilizing Libya and Egypt, won't let anyone say the truth about radical Islam? Blowing off attacks like they're no big deal? Calling them workplace violence....
What many of us like about Trump is he isn't walking on eggshells apologizing and trying to make people like him, he's not reading a teleprompter and droning on. You can hear the emotion in his voice when he talks about his country and the people who are suffering. And just about every politician has gotten into office and absolutely not done all the the things they said they would do. Example: We all knew wink wink nod nod that President Obama didn't really stand for traditional marriage, but he had to say it to get elected. And so it goes. We don't want that anymore.
Hillary remains married to an abuser of women. Even a patron of sex traffickers, underaged girls! I also don't like that she let our guys die in Benghazi and has treated their families shamefully. And what about the server? She just laughs at the notion she might be held accountable. What good has she done in this world, can someone tell me? And Bill Clinton is the only reason she is a candidate, how is that feminism? Not a good role model for women.
We had better candidates to vote for at the beginning, but no one voted for them. And the primary system is so jacked up, I will never get to vote for them. Here in Washington we have to wait until May. It's ridiculous. We should all vote on the same day.
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Kayb said everything for me eggroll. She said it much more eloquently than I could have. Socialism" is not a dirty word as far as I am concerned. Misogyny on the other hand most certainly is and so it is with a lot of thoughtful reading and watching that I respectfully disagree with you about Donald Trump, and most especially about Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton. Mrs. Clinton has many wonderful accomplishments and has been a Senator of the USA and Secretary of State which to me equates as a much better resume than Mr. Trump.
Alas, we all have our own opinions. I just fervently hope that most people will agree with Kayb and myself come November.
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Kay, this is so true what you write:
We all willingly have blind spots when it comes to our candidates. Hillary is certainly not perfect but I can respect her. I can't feel any respect for Trump after seeing his behavior in this primary.
I'm not claiming Hillary is perfect or the perfect candidate, either, just saying she is qualified because of her career background.
As for Trump, to me it is another nod to his self-importance and arrogance that he thinks that without any political experience he can become President of the United States. Right there, that tells me that he has little respect for the hard fought and hard won work of elected officials, minimizing their efforts. It is one thing to say, they're not doing this right and another thing to get in the ring and show the right way to do something. Trump is in the ring but his way is not right.
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I was watching CNN last night & a reporter who has been following both Trump & Sanders had an interesting observation. She has found that their supporters have two things that are in common. They don't care that their candidate offers no specifics on how they will reach their goals, and they both say, "At least he can't be bought."
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My concern with Trump: he can't be bought, but he can buy people's loyalty. And when I say buy, I mean, he's able to bribe to get support for him and his causes. He's powerful and wealthy enough and not above doing it. There is so much wheeling and dealing behind the scenes that we are unaware of. Just like was mentioned how Kasich is being used as a pawn for Democratic gain, there is much jockeying for position, power and authority. And I'm not saying this because of my House of Cards obsession! I see politics on a local level and know how down and dirty it can get and it just ramps up on the national level because the stakes are higher.
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I just watched the entire Republican Town Hall. If someone put a gun to my head & forced me to choose between Trump and Cruz......after seriously considering just having them shoot me, I'd be forced to go with Trump.
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You're a better man (woman) than I am, Ruthbru.
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Unbelievable. I would think that each of the living former presidents (of either political party) has to be watching in horror, while every single deceased president is rolling over in his grave (with the possible exception of Millard Fillmore, who later in life made a run for another term as a member of the Know Nothing Party).
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Ruth, you are definitely a better woman than I am. I no longer have the stomach to watch Cruz or Trump
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Ditto, Caryn. I can't even stand to listen to the clips of them on NPR.
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Ruth - your statement made me laugh - until I thought about the reality of it..
I just watched the entire Republican Town Hall. If someone put a gun to my head & forced me to choose between Trump and Cruz......after seriously considering just having them shoot me, I'd be forced to go with Trump.
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Part of me is beginning to wonder if Trump, were he to be elected, would pull a Sarah Palin when reality sank in and he realized he had to govern, and it wasn't as easy as he thought. In other words, would he just resign when he'd had enough, because winning is more fun than governing? I realize this is a rather far-out thought, and his unfavorable ratings at this point are so high that I truly think he's not going to go all the way. But it has occurred to me lately that this is one possible scenario.
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I'm sure you'll all be hearing about Trump's latest views on abortion if you haven't already. I believe in a woman's right to chose
By REBECCA SHABAD CBS NEWS March 30, 2016, 3:54 PM
Donald Trump proposes abortion ban, punishment for women who undergo procedure
Donald Trump said Wednesday that abortions should be banned and that there "has to be some form of punishment" for women who undergo the procedure.
In a pre-taped segment for an MSNBC town hall that will air Wednesday night, host Chris Matthews asked the GOP frontrunner if women should be punished for having abortions.
"I would say it's a very serious problem and it's a problem that we have to decide on," Trump initially said.
Asked what his proposal to ban abortion means, Trump said "I am against. I am pro-life. Yes. I am pro-life." But Trump failed to explain how he would actually ban the procedure.
"You know, you'll go back to a position like they had where people perhaps will go to illegal places," he said when asked how he would outlaw it. "But you have to ban it."
Matthews eventually asked Trump if he believes in punishment for abortion as a principle.
"The answer is there has to be some form of punishment," Trump said. "For the women [who have abortions]?" Matthews followed up. "Yes," Trump responded.
Matthews then asked Trump, "10 days or 10 years" and Trump said, "I don't know. That, I don't know," adding that this is a "very complicated position."
After the clip of that segment aired, Trump issued a statement of clarification.
"This issue is unclear and should be put back into the states for determination. Like Ronald Reagan, I am pro- life with exceptions, which I have outlined numerous times," Trump said.
During a pre-taped interview that will also air during MSNBC's town hall, host Chuck Todd asked anti-abortion Ohio governor John Kasich if he would punish women who get abortions.
"Absolutely not," Kasich said. "I do have exceptions for rape, incest and life of the mother but of course women shouldn't be punished. Look, you know -- I think probably Donald Trump will figure out a way to say that he didn't say it or he was misquoted or whatever but I don't think so. I don't think that's an appropriate response and it's a difficult enough situation then to try to punish somebody."
Asked how abortion could ever be banned, Kasich said, "I think it's rape, incest, life of the mother, and you build some restrictions around it, but I think you have to be very careful in the way you do it. We're a long way from there."
Trump has admitted during this presidential election that he had once been pro-abortion, but is now strongly anti-abortion. While his opponents, however, have blasted Planned Parenthood, Trump has actually defended the organization for some of the other health services it provides to women.
Just last month, Ted Cruz released a campaign ad that targeted Trump's previous position on abortion. It used footage from an interview Trump did on "Meet the Press" in 1999 where he says, ""I'm very pro-choice" and says he would not ban partial-birth abortions.
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He walked it back, Mrs. M:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/31/us/politics/dona...
I guess he's beginning to think about all those female votes he might not get. Though saying that women are victims is at least as insulting as saying that they deserved to be punished.
Poor guy, he just can't get it right!
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Kay, that's exactly what the problem is. Has not thought anything thru. Just decided last year he could run the country better n anyone and threw his hat in the ring. Typical Trump.
He is flip flopping about abortion now because his controversial remarks will cost him votes.
And on another subject, foreign policy, there's this:
Trump's nuclear views are terrifying
Mira Rapp-Hooper6:33 p.m. EDT March 29, 2016
He'd ditch 'predictable' U.S. policies that have kept nuclear arms races in check for decades.
The contours of Donald Trump's foreign policy are becoming disturbingly clear. Newspapers have labeled his thinking on international affairs "isolationist" and "unabashedly non-interventionist," yet those terms fail to capture the more alarming elements of his philosophy. Trump apparently is prepared to abandon the United States' most important alliances, even at the risk of those countries acquiring nuclear weapons. In other words, he is prepared to end the decades-long U.S. policy of extended deterrence — protecting close partners against nuclear attack and thereby limiting the spread of nuclear weapons. Moreover, the presidential candidate gives little indication that he understands the implications of these radical policies for global security and stability.
One theme running through Trump's foreign policy is his disdain for U.S. alliances and allies. In recent news media interviews, he has called U.S. treaties "one-sided," labeled NATO "obsolete" and repeatedly called on South Korea and Japan to contribute more to U.S. basing costs overseas. Trump appeared surprised in a Washington Post interview to learn that allies pay a substantial portion of U.S. overseas basing costs, with none more supportive than Japan. Yet he also seemed unmoved by this information, insisting that allies should pay no less than a full 100% of U.S. overseas costs. A refusal to do so would force a President Trump to begin withdrawing troops, he told The New York Times. When informed this might cause South Korea and Japan to acquire their own nuclear weapons, Trump demonstrated a flippant comfort, stating that the U.S. "may very well be better off."
It hardly bears noting that abandoning U.S. treaty commitments and acquiescing to nuclear proliferation are completely at odds with decades of U.S. foreign policy. In the darkest days of World War II, American civilian and military leaders identified the merits of establishing a network of overseas bases to allow the United States to address foreign military threats before they could reach the homeland. U.S. planners understood that establishing a forward posture would require cooperation with allies who shared similar security concerns. Furthermore, since shortly after its own use of nuclear weapons against Japan, it has been U.S. policy to oppose any new countries from developing nuclear weapons, be they friend or foe. U.S. presidents have actively opposed allies such as France and Taiwan in their nuclear quests, on the theory that more arsenals would lead to a more dangerous world, no matter who owned the weapons.
Academic research has borne out the close relationship between U.S. security guarantees and nuclear non-proliferation. Political science studies show that countries under a major power's "nuclear umbrella" are far less likely to seek their own weapons. The converse holds true: When allies grow acutely concerned about whether their security patron will make good on their treaty promises, they are more likely to seek an independent arsenal. In fact, when the United States began a major troop withdrawal from Asia during the Nixon administration, both Japan and South Korea seriously considered going nuclear themselves, and allied assurance continues to be a significant challenge in East Asia today.
To understand why Trump's views on extended deterrence are terrifying, one must examine his other positions on nuclear policy and strategy. In a December GOP debate, the candidate appeared to be unfamiliar with the nuclear triad, made up of the intercontinental ballistic missile, submarine-launched ballistic missiles, and bombers that can deliver nuclear weapons to their targets. Just days ago, he refused to rule out the use of a nuclear weapons against the Islamic State terrorist group. In one of the many national security non sequiturs in his Times interview, Trump commented that no one could be sure whether the U.S. nuclear arsenal even worked. This was presumably an allusion to the fact that America observes a de facto moratorium on nuclear testing, but it is contrary to all scientific and technical evidence and a wildly misleading comment at best.
Perhaps most unsettling, Trump repeatedly insists that the United States must be more "unpredictable" in its national security policy — a chilling assertion, particularly when uttered in such close proximity to such irresponsible nuclear policies. Trump's naiveté about the world's most dangerous weapons leads one to infer that he might not have considered the fact that a nuclear Japan and South Korea could lead to dangerous arms racing with China and North Korea, proliferation by other states in East Asia and regional instability that invites major crises.
Trump's foreign policy interviews might appear to be itinerant ramblings, but on at least one issue, he is crystal clear: He is absolutely not sold on the role that alliances and extended deterrence have played in U.S. global security policy since 1945. Coupled with his erratic nuclear policy positions, this prospective commander in chief's views are not just irresponsible: They are cataclysmically dangerous
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Rainncy, what an idiot he is.
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I subbed in 7th grade today. Before one class, a kid was taking a poll, "Who do you want for president? Trump, Clinton or neither?" You might be interested to know that only one kid picked Trump (with several threatening to move to Canada if he were elected). And only one wanted Clinton (which bears out the fact that she has a lot of work to do with the young!), and the rest said, "Neither." It was interesting (and gratifying) to hear how aware they are of this election.
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Ruth,
So interesting! I'm glad to know that 7th graders are thinking about the election.
My students? They think I should be president 😍
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