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  • Beachbum1023
    Beachbum1023 Member Posts: 1,417
    edited October 2015

    Italychick, I read that article also. And I say:


    I'm Stage IV triple negative and I'll eat all the damned steaks and bacon I want! A juicy filet wrapped in bacon sounds really good about right now. Heck when I started my first job I was a waitress in a STEAK house. Should I sue them, too much beef? How about they research triple negative breast cancer, I have a problem with that, not with my dinner. Ugh, they can all bite me...............

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  • BookLady1
    BookLady1 Member Posts: 253
    edited October 2015

    JJOntario - my Mammo results were fine, and I got phone calls from my MO, Gyn and PCP telling me how glad they were. I am relieved, humbled, and sore. Pop those Advil for sure.

    Re:bacon shaming, good, intelligent rant/blog posted today by Katie Ford titled More Medical Reporting.

    atimeforsuchaword.com

    Sweet dreams, Linda

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  • kathindc
    kathindc Member Posts: 2,042
    edited October 2015

    When it comes to foods that can cause/contribute to cancer, this has been going on for over 40 years. Give it a few years and we will be hearing that the food is ok in moderation. That has been the pattern all these years. An example is saccharine. The amount given to mice was way, WAY off the charts. How come those who do live a healthy lifestyle such as exercise and a vegetarian diet get cancer along side those who do not. Cancer has been found in mummies thousands of years old. Just adding my two cents worth.

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  • Italychick
    Italychick Member Posts: 2,343
    edited October 2015

    I eat the organic, no nitrite/nitrate bacon and organic free range grass fed beef. But I still don't believe the bacon causes cancer thing. People have been eating it for way too long. My main irritation with the article is do some real research, not say something can contribute to cancer. It reminds me of blaming tropical oils for health issues, then saying eat trans-fats instead. Hello, does anybody remember margarine? Now it is no trans-fats, eat tropical oils. When somebody comes out with real data, I will listen. I feel inflammation causes a lot of health issues, where is the research on inflammation?

    Having said that, I do agree with the eat all things in moderation

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  • april485
    april485 Member Posts: 3,257
    edited October 2015

    I just ignore all of these sensationalized headline studies and use common sense. If you eat bacon morning, noon and night, maybe you will develop cancer. But, most of us don't come close to that. It is expensive to buy good bacon and good beef these days so I don't eat it very often anyway. Never did, never will. Prefer chicken as it is more versatile and often find myself wanting vegetables more than meat in my older age. They just appeal to me as they are so delicious. But, if I want a nice Mid rare NY strip, I'm a gonna eat it, articles and studies be damned.

    What we need to concentrate on is stopping all of the crazies who are killing people on college campuses these days. Damaged people running around armed. Ugh!

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  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited October 2015

    Well, it's the polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons(PAH)--the char, smoke from fires, smoking. (as I puff away) On this weight thread I did, I was doing some divergent, but related study on the microbiome and happened on all this stuff that I didn't want to know. If you want to read , please, start from the beginning. If not ignore LOL. AND yes the PAH's have been found in breast tissue as well as many other places in the body. Same with bacteria.

    Italychick It is so true about margarine. In the 70's when American Heart Association was pushing the switch to margarine from butter. I stuck with butter. I figured margarine was manmade and only made/invented early in the 1900's. I was sure they would find something wrong with it. Butter is thousands and thousands of years old. Better track record.

    Kathy yes, moderation. except for my wine and cigs. (I'm bad).

    https://community.breastcancer.org/forum/73/topics/832722?page=1


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  • kathindc
    kathindc Member Posts: 2,042
    edited October 2015

    I truly believe that a virus(s) can cause some cancers. The blaming the patient game has got to stop and the biggest offenders are physicians. Until there is hard, and I mean hard evidence where something has been studied ad nauseaum, then mouths and breaking news needs to remain silent.

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  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited October 2015

    Kathy, here's some of the virus related cancers

    http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancercauses/othercarcinogens/infectiousagents/infectiousagentsandcancer/infectious-agents-and-cancer-viruses


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  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited October 2015

    I have similar thought Kathy. Hard science versus talking heads, has made connections between weight and the Microbiome. Yet it hasn't been incorporated into the doc vernacular yet. My guess it's going to be 5-10years. May be pushed sooner b/c this blame the victim is pissing allot of people off.

    The meat thing is in question partially for me b/c I have studied the PAH's, but I haven't studied the nitrates. The polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons have been heavily studied and reproduced in subsequent studies. How PAH's relate to meat is the char. the char created in the cooking of meat is a carcinogen. The smoke created from the burning of wood is a carcinogen. So why isn't the public told more of these. What's that?

    Why isn't the public told of a diary industry here in the USA that allows pregnant cows to be milked all the way through their pregnancies. This allows high levels of estrogen to enter the milk supply. Other countries prohibit importation of milk from the USA b/c of this. What's odd is the first reading of this highlighted that in Nepal, the Sherpa's had more sense to not milk their cows after the 2nd trimester. What's that?

    The national problem of antibiotic resistance bacteria killing thousands. This year the push begins to stop overuse of antibx's with patients and prohibiting the use in animal feed. When the connection has been known for years, that it was feeding the superbug problem. Our immune systems are damaged daily b/c of these two problems 1. overuse 2.through the food chain. What's that?

    Why isn't there more of a push to triple the efforts re: identification of symbiotic bacteria that live throughout our bodies? (quick definition-symbiosis living in mutual harmony). What does it mean when a bacteria that has harmoniously lived in a person's body for undocumented number of years and then surgery occurs. Disrupting the harmony and the bacteria becomes pathogenic. Is it really pathogenic(causing illness)? The danger here is because we don't have an answer, is patients can be subjected too months of high powered antibiotics. Those high powered antibiotics damaging the immune system. Did the patient die b/c of the bacteria or the treatment? What's this?

    We read the members tag lines when available. We listen to each other about our lifestyles. We know it's a crapshoot.

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  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited October 2015

    cp418 started this thread on the meat issue. ChiSandy and Downdog had two really good posts.

    https://community.breastcancer.org/forum/73/topics/836119?page=1#post_4537243


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  • Simplicity
    Simplicity Member Posts: 747
    edited October 2015

    ***SCREAM!!!!!!!***

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    Ok. I feel a tad better.

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  • Jumpship
    Jumpship Member Posts: 305
    edited October 2015

    Merciless people who say they are merciful.

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  • 208sandy
    208sandy Member Posts: 2,610
    edited October 2015

    For the first time since dx almost 8 years ago B12 dropped - solution from PCP - eat some red meat!!!!! I love my PCP!!!

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  • april485
    april485 Member Posts: 3,257
    edited November 2015

    Arghhhhhhhhhhh! Some days, I feel as though I am speaking in a foreign language to my clients. They just don't freeking listen! Ok, rant over. Thanks...I needed that. xo

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  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited November 2015

    XO

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  • pajim
    pajim Member Posts: 2,785
    edited November 2015

    Why can't they get the f---- paperwork right!!! If the oncologist's admin would just DO what I told her!! In her defense she almost did. It was close. But then when I call and e-mail today to try and fix it no one gets back to me. Arrrggghhh. The worst thing about healthcare is the paperwork.

    As a result I'm going to spend 90 [extra] minutes in the waiting room tomorrow. Sigh. Double sigh. And I ALMOST had it set up to go as smooth as a baby's bottom. Guess I'll bring a good book.

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  • Simplicity
    Simplicity Member Posts: 747
    edited November 2015

    OMG!!!! Teenagers!!!!! OY!!!!!! 17g, 14b and they are driving me insane lately! Mouth. That damn mouth always has to be runnin back. Grrrrrrr!!!!! They've been pretty good helping since dx but good lord! My patience and tolerance level is soooooo low right now! Ones cleaning the kitchen/making tea, and the other is tending to the litter boxes. IN SILENCE! Then it's off to bed with them!

    Ahhhhh!! That feels better.

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  • Simplicity
    Simplicity Member Posts: 747
    edited November 2015

    Haha! I was the last to post and I about to dump more here.

    Lost a dear friend last week. Not to death, just lost the friendship and I'm so pissed and hurt. Almost 3 yrs of talking everyday and he suddenly went ape chit on me for texting too much one day, asking if he was mad at me (he obviously was), and unspoken expectations he thinks I put on him regarding text reply time O.o

    I called him on some of his BS. He has a lot going on and I really don't think it had to do with texts alone. We've always tested each other, daily. Randomly. He would text me. I would text him. Bla bla bla.

    So many thing said over the course and now I feel like it was all lies. I'm here for you always, anytime, day or night. Yea. Whatever. Signing off with I love you's.

    So many laughs. So many random conversations. So much said. And suddenly I'm a villain and the worst person ever. I don't understand how even a friend can be lost because of a disagreement. It escalated way further than it should have. We both played a part in that. I'll own that. I'll even own leaning on him more this past month or so. And seeing it as more than what was at the surface, I'll own that too. But I refuse to take accountability for the whole thing. No. It takes two to go back and forth. Some of the things he said were unnecessary and very hurtful. I hate it when people stab with their words cause they're mad. I don't like to argue and fight, I'd much rather discuss. But whew did he fly off the handle.

    Says I've hurt his feeling before. So, why didn't you say something then? Why wait, months, to bring it up? It festers when you let it sit. And then.....

    I'm missing him. Missing our friendship, our talks, our random texts. Bleh. FRB has caused a lot of friends to walk away. Frustrating.

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  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited November 2015

    Simplicity, hugs, be patient, time may heal.

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  • Italychick
    Italychick Member Posts: 2,343
    edited November 2015

    Simplicity, even the best people can be assholes sometimes. Early on in treatment, my husband, who is mostly a saint and has been there for me through everything, got all amped up and started yelling at me. I said well maybe I won't be here next year for you to have to put up with. Yeah, not my proudest moment. Give him a day or two, and then reach out

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  • kittysister
    kittysister Member Posts: 212
    edited November 2015

    Italychick, I'm ashamed to say (well, not really!) I said the same thing to my husband a while back. He didn't exactly yell, but was all weird one day, acting like he didn't hear me when I said something .. off somewhere in his own world. Some of you may know how that goes. I think we just need more TLC during all of this. Too bad we don't always get that. Seems to make things even harder.

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  • april485
    april485 Member Posts: 3,257
    edited November 2015

    Just sending some hugs and understanding Simplicity. It is always hard when we feel betrayed by someone we thought we knew better than most anyone - someone close. I would be devastated if I lost either of my two best friends. Be kind to yourself. He may come around when he realizes how much he misses the friendship. He could just be going through something of his own perhaps? Not excusing him, just trying to add some levity.

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  • Simplicity
    Simplicity Member Posts: 747
    edited November 2015

    Thanks Ladies.

    Aha April. So funny that you say that. He has a LOT going on, but according to him, that has nothing to do with it. It's all about me texting him, asking if he was ok and if he was pissed, since he wasn't replying. Idk. What I hate is the fact that this is weighing so heavy on my mind. I look back on the past 2.5-3 yrs...it just makes no sense. I'll own texting him 3 x in 9 hrs, I'll own wondering if he was okay and if he was pissed. No problem. I cannot, however, take accountability for the whole thing blowing up. I won't. I looked over the conversations at least 5 times. I just don't see me as the only participant.


    Argh. Humaning is hard sometimes

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  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited November 2015

    Simplicity, give it time to play out..............a couple of weeks

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  • Meow13
    Meow13 Member Posts: 4,859
    edited February 2018

    I want to be DONE with hormone therapy. I want to feel good again.

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  • Simplicity
    Simplicity Member Posts: 747
    edited November 2015

    Thanks Sas. I need to get my brain to move forward.

    Meow, I am not there yet, so I cannot imagine. I have heard terrible things about hormonal therapy. Not looking forward to starting :(

    Thanks everyone for listening and replying.

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  • blondiex46
    blondiex46 Member Posts: 5,712
    edited November 2015

    Simplicity mayb he was having a bad day. Give it a break..then text and say, I miss u no bodh puts me in my place like u (or something like that)

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  • MeToo14
    MeToo14 Member Posts: 493
    edited November 2015

    i hate how everyone thinks I'm all better and the cancer is gone and will never come back. I hate how people are annoyed that I am not OK. I hate how everyone wants me to make them feel better so they can be happy. I don't want sympathy, I want understanding. I feel so lost and scared and angry.


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  • Marie711
    Marie711 Member Posts: 87
    edited November 2015

    Me too14: oh my, how hard and scary this must be for you. I don't think those that have not gone through it can understand that fear that is always there. I'm sorry you are going through this and at a young age. It is not fair this happened to you but we have to deal with things as they are. Are there any support groups in your area? Take care, people here understand, and some have some good advice .


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  • BookLady1
    BookLady1 Member Posts: 253
    edited November 2015


    Thanks for being here! I'm sick of being treated as fragile, week, slow - I'm not and I go at my own pace and do pretty damn good! Being together as a family is starting to get to me! Know they love me, but I feel dismissed not protecte

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