What foods are you eating to reduce recurrence?

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  • BrooksideVT
    BrooksideVT Member Posts: 2,211
    edited May 2014

    And if you'll all indulge me just a bit, let me tell you how shocked I was at my nutritionist's response to my starting the day, every day, with orange juice.  "Sugar water," she said.  "But I always get the kind marked 'most pulp!'"  Apparently, not much better; the juice comes all nicely prepackaged in the fruit for a reason.  Instead, she indicated that our livers use water to cleanse themselves.  Took me a while, but I kind of caught onto the concept that I really want to protect my liver right now.  Accordingly, a big glass of water starts the day.  And yes, many months later I still very much miss my orange juice!

  • Septmom
    Septmom Member Posts: 150
    edited May 2014

    Hello Ladies,

    I was wondering if sweet potatoes are safe to eat if you are estrogen positive. I read somewhere that sweet potatoes are okay.  But aren't they a natural source of estrogen? I love sweet potatoes but am scared of including them in my diet.  

    Thanks!

  • juneping
    juneping Member Posts: 1,594
    edited May 2014

    I am confused. I eat sugar....raw honey which I put a small spoon in my morning lemon juice once a day. And I have three pieces (size of a quarter) of dark chocolate 70%. Am I fueling my cancer cells?? But there are good components in those natural sweet things....

    And i have to say I don't have pollen allergy this season....I contribute it to my raw honey. 

  • juneping
    juneping Member Posts: 1,594
    edited May 2014

    septmom - I read sweet potato is way better than potato for us. But don't quote me....I  m bit confused at the moment...

  • jessica749
    jessica749 Member Posts: 429
    edited May 2014

    I really don't understand the sugar thing. I know there have been many loooong articles in the mainstream press. My attention span is limited. Here's what DAna FArber says, short and sweet (no pun intended!!)

    http://www.dana-farber.org/Health-Library/Sugar-and-Cancer-Cells.aspx

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited May 2014

    my take on icecream:  plain whole milk yoghurt, organic frozen rasberries or strawberrie, heavy cream, a teaspoonfull of organic maple syrup.  the heavy cream over the frozen berries will freeze.  not especially healthy or good for us but certainly better than commercial

  • Lissee
    Lissee Member Posts: 40
    edited May 2014


    There is a real connection to food being the cause and the cure. I have been given a gift from my grandfather- a green thumb.  I grow much of the food I eat, and after my diagnosis I stepped it up, and grew more, however did so completely organically.  That means zero pesticides, herbicides, and or artificial growth agents.  I have begun to reuse my seeds, including shared seeds from organic organizations. I also buy food from the local farmers market.  My garden feeds us in more ways than nutrients derived from the food.  I feel blessed to live in the Southern California region where growing a garden relatively easy year round.   Tonight, I will go out to my garden and see what possible for dinner!  Maybe a kale and cucumber salad, with beets........

    Regarding the list, I can tell you what I wont eat/drink.  Milk or milk products (even organic), red meat, pork, wheat flour products, refined sugars, or just about anything that wont go bad after sitting in your fridge for more than a week. 

  • juneping
    juneping Member Posts: 1,594
    edited May 2014

    anyone know whats the difference between peral barley vs quinoa?? which is better for us??

    it seems (from what i googled) that barley is like rice and quino is veggi....anyone?? thanks in advance...

  • Scotch
    Scotch Member Posts: 13
    edited May 2014

    Momine

    I partly agree. Whether it is pure sugar or grains that the body converts to sugar, it all amounts to the same thing. I chose to eliminate, to me its the only viable option. (Interesting video on wheat and carbs)

    I disagree with your statement about sugar not interacting with a cell,

    From Colleen Huber, NMD,

    "...One effect of IGF-1 is to deliver sugar into a
    cell, among other things... IGF-1 acts as a growth
    factor in breast cancer, prostate cancer, and lung cancer, among other cancers.

    Tumor growth is thought to occur by the fact that insulin delivers
    sugar to cells and that cancer cells are thought to be more dependent on
    sugar than normal cells. Whereas normal cells down-regulate their
    receptors after a certain level of saturation with sugar, cancer appears
    to be insatiable. Cancer’s rapid growth seems to place no limit on the
    sugar it can use. Insulin delivers that sugar. Some cells develop
    mutations to enhance insulin’s influence on the cell’s sugar uptake.
    Craig Thompson MD, President of Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center
    in New York has studied insulin and IGF’s influence on cancer cells and
    has said he believes that insulin is what drives malignant tumors to
    take up more and more blood sugar and to metabolize it, and that it is
    this process that allows many pre-cancerous cells to undergo the
    mutations that make them malignant." (source

    Glucose in the blood is sugar in the blood so I'm not really following you here.

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited May 2014

    Scotch, "sugar" in your quote is actually "blood glucose." Glucose in the blood can be sourced from all kinds of foods, not just sugar. Also, the way we live and survive is by having our cells fueled by glucose carried in the blood, so this is a basic process that can't and shouldn't be stopped.

    From Jessica's link:

    "There may be a connection, however, between a diet high in refined, processed foods combined with a sedentary lifestyle that may lead a person to become overweight and eventually experience insulin resistance. Insulin resistance can cause an increase in blood levels of insulin and related compounds that may act as growth factors. The connection between body weight, insulin levels and cancer survivorship is currently being researched. In the meantime, becoming more physically active, striving to maintain a healthy weight and eating a plant-based diet including substituting refined sugars and white flour with whole grains and other unprocessed carbohydrates can all help to keep insulin levels in check and promote cancer survivorship."

    I should add that I was insulin resistant at DX and probably for years prior (judging from symptoms) and I was not overweight, nor did I eat a terrible diet. As a result, I now have an A1c blood test run a few times a year. It measures your average blood glucose over the 3 months prior to the test, and as such is a much better measure of your insulin situation than a fasting glucose test.

  • Scotch
    Scotch Member Posts: 13
    edited May 2014

    juneping

    If you are eating honey (or any other sweetener) without fiber, it will go much more quickly into your blood stream. Considering that cancer cells seem to interact very positively to sugar, it would appear that you would be giving it something it needed to thrive. If you absolutely MUST have sugar Gymnema taken both before and after consumption is found to not allow the sugar to enter the blood stream. But even then eating sugar on a regular basis should never be recommended. 

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited May 2014

    the brain runs on glucose as well.  best to get it from vegetables but other foods have other nutrients besides sugars

  • jessica749
    jessica749 Member Posts: 429
    edited May 2014

    Thanks Momine for posting a relevant excerpt. The link really is about healthy eating - avoiding processed and refined foods. Sugar is necessary to the body and not an isolated 'evil' carcinogenic. It is more complex than that and the belief it seems is that the insulin resistance is what is bad. Anyway….

    Curious LIssee as to why you eliminate even organic low fat milk and milk products - is it because there's no avoiding some growth hormones such products? 

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited May 2014

    milk contains phosphorus which can curb bleeding if that's an issue, on the other hand the problem with milk is the protein, casein as someone here pointed out, makes a good paint but cows milc is for larger animals than we are

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited May 2014

    I tried twice now & once when you first posted it to get the article on menuka honey, got a sloankettering page with nothing much on  it, searched for menuka honey & got a no match

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited May 2014

    2nd site from the bottom:  wish they's written a paragraph on bee pollen which I've only recently stopped taking dayly

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited May 2014

    2nd site from the bottom:  wish they's written a paragraph on bee pollen which I've only recently stopped taking daily    lots on tualang (top site) 2nd to top good info on dark honey, (or on the site below) & thyme honey.  been thinking for years I should use more tyme.  some thyme.  I use honey only on the dressin:  menuka activated 16.  I've not ever even tasted it.  been using it since july.  works well for a day or 2 to hold down bacteria well

  • Hope14
    Hope14 Member Posts: 40
    edited May 2014

    anyone ever heard about the benefits of "fasting" ? I am going to ask my naturopathic dr today about it.fasting for 3 days,eating nothing except drinking water,then few days of good diet then fasting again,and alternate...just a way to cleanse your body and starves the cancerous cells.normal cells cope well with fasting but cancerous cells starve to death as I read...I'm sure this regimen don't apply on people with diabetes problem or other medical history ,like cardiac patients,etc....I wonder if anyone considered this method.

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited May 2014

    gary null has said he does a juice  fast 3 days as I recall, & once a year a water fast in a remote location with no supplies except the water, no sleeping bag or like that.  I did a food fast many years ago, 1972 when I ran out of money, 3 days.  since then I've been quite obsessive about food

  • jessica749
    jessica749 Member Posts: 429
    edited May 2014

    Here's what Wikipedia (check the entry yourself for the footnotes/sources/add'l bkgd reading) says about Gary Null's credentials. He's been referred to more than once on this thread, and really, I have no idea what authority he has on any of this.  If you're going to refer to him and quote him as if he's credentialed, let me just throw out there what they are (his credentials):

    "Null was raised in Parkersburg, West Virginia, with his two brothers. He holds an associate's degree in business administration from Mountain State College in West Virginia and a bachelor of science degree from Thomas Edison State College in Trenton, New Jersey. He has been certified by the State of New York as a dietitian-nutritionist.[7]

    Null holds a Ph.D. in human nutrition and public health sciences from Union Institute & University,[1] a private distance-learning college headquartered in Cincinnati, Ohio.[1][8] Null's doctoral thesis was entitled "A Study of Psychological and Physiological Effects of Caffeine on Human Health".[1]

    His credentials, including the degree-granting practices at Edison State and the rigor of the Ph.D. program at Union Institute, have been questioned by Stephen Barrett on his Quackwatch website, who labeled Null as "one of the nation's leading promoters of dubious treatment for serious disease." Dr. Barrett also reported that when asked whether he had ever taken a science-based course in nutrition or public health, Null refused to answer.[1]"

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited May 2014

    Jessica, lol, it has come up before. At least Null's lack of credentials is well documented.

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited May 2014

    wiki castigates all alternative health information & gary is suing them, not for erroneous info on him, but for calling bryzinski's therapy quackery

  • lightandwind
    lightandwind Member Posts: 754
    edited May 2014

    If someone has done something to help others support their health, extended life, or saved life, etc, then I don't care what their credentials are. I really don't understand the correlation there between authority and good health anyway. Authority in medicine certainly doesn't  equal success, or good health. Authority in medicine doesn't have a history at least that I can trust, in cancer treatment especially. With cancer, for many, a PhD in nutrition is exactly the credentials people are looking for. I don't recall Abigal saying that Gary Null was an "authority" anyway. Besides, fasting is certainly not a new discussion here.

  • Hope14
    Hope14 Member Posts: 40
    edited May 2014

    just a quick note,I saw the naturopathe yesterday,I was a bit disappointed because he was talking about himself for most part and reading from a book for me..I didn't think the visit was worth 165 dollars at all as all what he said I was familiar with,however he insisted on a good diet full of greens especially CABBAGE that helps detoxify from excess estrogens. He talked about melatonin I didn't know about that..he believes that cancer is related a lot to STRESS..as I asked him about this,because my bc came after a very stressful time of my life,so he confirmed my thoughts as stress can weaken immune system a lot..I'm just telling what he said. Because I always wondered about that. All the vitamins that already known as anti cancer he mentioned. No need to repeat. He said about the benefits of FASTING. Lots of benefits,of course and the fact that cancerous cells starve is true. This doesn't mean it works for everyone,it's sure hard..I tried 2 days ago just having water and liquids and I was fine because I had anxiety that kept me with no appetite,however the 2nd day even though I wasn't hungry still but I was shaking and felt so weak..so you need to be careful with fasting,it might weaken your immune system if you overdo it just as the naturopaths said, calories restrictions and avoiding FAT and SUGAR is essential. Fat and sugar fuel breast cancer..all the informations that we know about I guess.

  • juneping
    juneping Member Posts: 1,594
    edited May 2014

    I need to rant....even though I feel great after eating clean and organic. BUT I feel hungry most of the time. Not hungry exactly but not fulfilled....I am starting on adding some quinoa to my meals. Hopefully this will cure my hunger 

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited May 2014

    gary has said many times that it's not good to heat to satiety

  • juneping
    juneping Member Posts: 1,594
    edited May 2014

    Abigail - you meant it's a good thing I should always feel kind of hungry? 

    To be honest, the only time I feel not hungry is after breakfast bc I have a piece of bread. And the rest of the day especially after lunch (just veggie) I start to feel hungry. If I am busy it's okay. But when I am not busy, I just want to eat. 

    I read quinoa has a lot of protein and it's seed (does it mean it's veggie????) so I am trying to see if I can cure my hunger. 

  • Hope14
    Hope14 Member Posts: 40
    edited May 2014

    juneping, i would love to eat till I feel full and not feeling hungry,unfortunately you will have to feel hungry  obviously and sacrifice and eat less calories if you want benefits..fibre can help you feel ful,you can find it in fruits and veggies.quinona is an ancient grain and it's had lots of nutrients. I tried it but is not something magical that can help you feel less hungry...depends on each person,unfortunately everything healthy doesn't taste good..since my diagnosis and I'm dirpiving myself from many things I used to eat and love,,,try to have fish,lentils,beans,all dried,avoid cans..pre packed food...make berries smoothies with no sugar...etc..

  • yogamama
    yogamama Member Posts: 39
    edited May 2014

    As a vegan for 20 years, a yoga practitioner and teacher, AND  an Oncology Registered Dietitian who teaches evidenced-based cancer prevention cooking classes, let me be the one to say that doing it all right, doesn't exclude you from joining this terrible club we are all in.  It's possible I prevented other diet and lifestyle related cancers, but we'll never know.  Don't get wrapped up in the quackery out there.  Choose a plant-based, whole, clean, foods diet and stop worrying about "sugar" as everything except for meat and fat have it, and even they will be converted to "sugar" (or, glucose,  as the preferred source of fuel or your brain) if you don't provide enough in your diet.  There are so many other things to be spending your time an effort on, like your loved ones.  

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