What foods are you eating to reduce recurrence?

Headeast

Hello ladies! I am reading Eat to Live by Fuhrman and became a vegetarian a month ago. I am not eating oils, eggs, wheat nor cheese. Just creamer in my coffee. I have to tell you I feel very good and dropping a few pounds but need to lose more.

Very good information in the book, I thought it would be of interest to you.

Hugs, Headeast

abigail48

I'm able to get gary nulls noon broadcast only intermittently these days.  don't know why.  today he talked a lot about joseph issles, says his wife is still alive, visited a man in ireland who did research about the issles ther

apy has generated the most cures, lots on pro biotics, gary kept forgetting issles & saying gerson which he evidently no longer reccommends.  issles seems similar, get rid of inflamation in mouth & knees.  gary also gave a commontary about organic natural maple surip, not only the many minerals which has been known but now anti diabetic components, & many phytoiutrients.  59.  

jessica749

I bought one of Gary Null's books many moons ago. When I was in my 20s !!!! It was a guide to vitamins, or something, and the good and bad things each one did….I don't know, since then, he's impressed me as well more a marketer than anything else. I don't listen to what he says, to be honest. Fuhrman, well, I know he's an MD. I'm interested to read more of his books (from the public library, of course!!) and then see.

abigail48

I've looked at several of his books, find them unreadable for the most part, but I listen to his noon broadcasts whenever I can.  the first hald hr of health news anyway, the 2nd half hr is usually politics.  I call the health stuff news because it comes from the peer reviewed journals he reads all the time

april485

Thought I would check this thread out as I eat the last of my Cadbury mini eggs from Easter...need to get back on the stick and was doing so well until the evil Aromasin brought me to my knees in terms of weight gain. I had lost a lot of weight before my diagnosis and was doing great...was 10 lbs from goal and felt great! Then I crawled into a vat of self pity and figured "make yourself happy" was the order of the day. Shame on me!

 You are all an inspiration. I read Anticancer. I know what to eat and what to avoid. I am just too darn lazy to do anything since I began the AI and always feel like I am fighting an uphill battle. Thank you for your great posts! I am going back to being a healthy eater and exercising daily like I know I should. It will help not only with my estrogen levels but my endorphins!

Thanks again!

juneping

what about organic icecream?? bad??

purple32

on control), turmeric, and drinking a lot of water.

RE:  Turmeric, 

I really wanted to get some powder and add pepper etc and spice up my food.  I went to my fave herbal soire and he suggested against it if it was for medicinal use!  He said there was just NO WAY to tell if there was 5 or 10 or 20 or 80%  curcumin in the poweers!  I was surprised.

I ended up buying a pill ( SOLARAY ) which I believe says 95% curcumin.

Comments ?

Many thanks for add'l info or resources.

smrlvr

I have a question for those of you taking turmeric.  Can you take curcumin in addition to turmeric?  I currently take turmeric and wondering if I can add curcumin or switch to curcumin.  I don't know what is better.

Thanks

bethq

Wow, with over 400 posts here I have not read them all but I am floored. I was vegan for 4 years and just started eating seafood occasionally and rarely chicken. I recently lost weight doing Weight Watchers and we go to the gym several nights per week. Since my mammogram and now diagnosis (ER/PR+) I dumped out all of my soy milk/creamers and am going to get rid of all my fake meats. I had soy with every meal and ate several soy dogs per day as snacks. So no more soy.....BUT I have still been eating some meats. Got a bunch of fruits/veggies yesterday. I do drink a few drinks a day on the weekends and occasionally one drink at night during the week. Not sure I can totally give that up. What about coffee? What creamers can you use if you are vegan and soy-free? There is just SO much to think about I am not sure my brain can hold any more information. At least now I know when my husband tells me I've gotten too skinny I can tell him it's whats best for the cancer! Any suggestions on where to go for info? I guess its back to a vegan diet for me.

Stratford

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abigail48

for info here.  when I first noted the cyst was changing, no was turning red in a spot, I knew nothing.  not even that there were several kinds of breast cancer, or that some of them treated by oncologists would never progress, I was vegetarian with fish & dairy, there's a special name for that I've forgotten.  still the same diet but I have a naturopath's protocal, she ditched me early on but for lack of any other treatment & continue with hers:  a cast oil pack 45 minutes a week, 2 cups of green tea a day, I'd kicked my caffein habit in '07, now 3+ years of the decaff green tea I have another bit of a habit, occasional black tea.  I try & keep it down as I know the pain of trying to kick caffeine:  adrynal depletion & pain.  does it "work"?  who knows. it hasn't gotten smaller, quite the opposite, but I'm still ambulatory & life pretty much as always. I don't do doctors so I don't even know if I have cancer, nor what type if I do, there's a prognosis on the internet of untreated breast cancer, by that I'm half way to 100% dead.  a month past that mark, but don't know when that prognosis was written.  there are very intelligent & knowlegable women here

abigail48

I'll be 77 this month

jessica749

Bethq:  Try unsweetened vanilla almond milk ?  that's what I use.

Headeast

beth, I use rice milk

Scotch

It is the sugar that is the issue in ice cream, the amount they put in is MIND BOGGLING. Considering all types of sugar feed cancer, whether it's organic cane sugar or the ole high fructose corn syrup you are still giving it what it needs to thrive. What I did was buy an ice cream maker and made my own so I could control what goes in. I use stevia if I want it a bit sweet or puree bananas and add them (might want to stay away from fruit though). Its turns out pretty amazing. I also don't drink pasteurized milk so I use raw.

juneping

thanks scotch!! I tried making my own ice cream once. Not very successful. Probably need a better blender....

Headeast

what about the sugar free ice cream?

abigail48

it's gotta have some sort of sweetener & apparently the best is organic honey. stevia, which I've never tasted or organic maple syrup

Scotch

juneping

Its all about getting the milk cold as fast as possible. Commercial ice cream makers turn milk into ice cream in 8 minutes! Obviously they are ridiculously expensive. I use a  Cuisinart 2 quart frozen yogurt-sorbet and Ice Cream Maker (here), which is worth the money if you are obsessed with ice cream like me.

Headeast

It depends on what the "sugar-free" is implying. If it uses stevia then sure, but if it is artificial sweeteners or high fructose corn syrup then they are just as bad as sugar, if not worse. Organic stevia is the way to go without a doubt, but I have to be careful because if I put to much in it leaves a bitter taste that I find very unpleasant.

abigail48

I agree the sweeteners make it that much better, but the problem is that cancer doesn't differentiate between sugar, honey and maple syrup. Stevia has a completely different chemically properties so it isn't taken in by the cancer, thus making it safe to consume. (If you want to know more about sugar read this)

Headeast

Interesting... I would imagine there is a brand at Whole Foods Market or Fresh Market that sells an ice cream that is safe for us. I am not drinking milk but I would like to eat some ice cream every once in a while, plus whoever started writing about ice cream has given me a craving! 

juneping

headeast - that was me...heehee 

I bought some and wondering about it. I finished one pint in a week so I think I will slow down. Still have another pint. It's ronnybrook supposed to be good but like scotch said sugar can be an issue. 

I am moving in june so will probably buy a ice cream maker after I move. Would love some in the summer time few times a week. I still want to live a little. 

Last week while I finished my veggi lunch at work and my coworker was eating some left over...the smell got me soooo hungry. Mind you I just ate. And I had a burger at shake shack Saturday...it's organic so I treated myself one. I savored every bite. 

Headeast

hahaha, I know how smells play tricks on us, Juneping! I smelled a grill going this afternoon and made me so hungry! I came home and ate my veggies, trying to be a good girl, get healthier and lose the pounds I gained during chemo!

Hope14

since my diagnosis I became so paranoid about food,since before my diagnosis I used to believe that food is related to cancer,so once I had my Bcc,first I lost my appetit for almost 10 days,I barely ate anything ,I dropped 8 kg during that most stressful sad time of my life. Simply bcos I had no appetite and I just hated food. I started immediately juicing organic greens,kales,celery,etc..going of the organic store was very frequent during the very few months of my diagnosis, I used to think(still think) I find my remedy there,I get the organic fermented wheatgrass/ I have the blood builder iron tablets (all natural iron,since I have anemia),bit b12, I have iodine drops( I read about a link between iodine deficiency and breast cancer/dr.david brownstein),I take magnesium 300 mg/ day, I have camu camu powder once / week,I take a booster for the immune system that is different mushrooms based(Chinese medicine) 4 tablets/ day..I stopped eating prepared food,processed food,cured meats ,I don't eat red meat anymore. I have organic piece of chicken once in a while,seafood,extra virgin organic olive oil, I avoid all commercial cheap oils,I have less carbs,only whole grains organic bread,no dairy,cleanse tea that I get from the organic store...I eat veggies/ fruits try organic as possible cos it's not easy to get organic .i only have dark chocolate organic,I still have my coffee but only 1 cup/ day..heard a lot about fermented sourkraut and how good it's for you,so I have this sometimes in my sandwich or simply cabbage salad. Lots of lentils soup.cheese once in a while. If we go out I don't dirpive myself from a pizza or dessert but that's once in a while..vit D3. I have a handful of raw almonds,pecans every day,avocado. No fries,no junk food. No ice creams( once/ month). No barbecued meats anymore,watch for the smoked salmon. I adore it however they say it's risky for breast cancer,everything smoked is. I put always lemon in my water. I add organic turmeric powder to most of my food along with cayenne pepper. I heard about how Ginger roots is so good to kill breast cancer cells!!! So I take this too. The most powerful anti cancer seems to be turmeric. However I'm confused about the way you should take turmeric to be absorbed and be efficient. So I'm going to consult with a naturopaths next week to ask him about my bc and he's one of the best we have here in ALberta/ canada. So I will keep you guys posted with what's he's going to say...ps: since I had radiations treatment I tried my best to detoxify from radiation. Baths of sea salt/ himalaya salt/ baking soda ( no aluminum). However it's very hard process to keep up with ,I have 2 young kids and being in the bathtub for 40 minutes/ day is sometimes hard to accomplish. I wish I can do everything right. Hope my post helped.

Hope14

btw,you need to watch for interaction of certain supplements with each other. For instance you cannot have vit c when you take iodine,etc..so the list above is the way I take my supplements and what I know is good off me. But I'm aware that I cannot mix certain supplements together. So you might want to check this before you take supplements. You need to be careful.

Scotch

Taking turmeric with black pepper is found to super charge it. Basically what I do is buy vegetable capsules, make a mixture of about 90% turmeric 10% black pepper then pack the pills. *side note- I eat a strictly kosher diet, most gelatine is made from pig (80%)  and unclean animals (pork, shell fish, catfish etc) have been found to inhibit cell growth by at least 40%. (see this) 

So Hope14, I see your food "paranoia" as completely justified, your are not alone.

abigail48

but honey & maple also contain phytochemicals which can help

Scotch

I know, I'm not saying that honey and maple syrup are bad per se, or that a healthy person shouldn't eat and enjoy them. But cancer patients with the understanding of the way sweeteners interact with cancer cells, should treat such things as if they were poison and never eat them regardless of their benefits. 

Let me explain;

In the study that I linked you too,  of the all the people who were treated, sweet eaters were found to be over 50% less likely to have their cancer go into remission. This is to significant a number for me to ignore. There is a lot of stuff out there about sugar and cancer, but nothing has ever really come out with such a direct link to survival rates. It appears to be the smoking gun so to speak.

Momine

I agree that we should avoid sweets, but people need to realize that it is not that sugar (or honey, maple syrup etc) "interacts" with cancer cells. The problem is having elevated glucose in your bloodstream and/or having spikes of blood sugar. 

Therefore, it is not just a question of avoiding sugar. It is a question of keeping your blood sugar low and staple as much as possible. This means that other than avoiding actual sugars, you should also be balancing your carb intake more generally, get enough fibre and get enough exercise.

BrooksideVT

We all learned in junior high nutrition classes that our bodies turn all our foods into sugar, which is the substance our cells (normal or not) require for survival.  Protein, complex carbs, and all the rest, have to go through the digestive process before entering the bloodstream as food for cells (sugar), so enter it slowly.  Simple sugars race right into the bloodstream in exactly the same chemical form as any other food, just more quickly (think of a sugar high).  A sugar spike prompts an insulin response, an increase in circulating insulin.  Circulating insulin is a growth factor for cancer.  Avoiding sugar, sucrose, honey, maple syrup, and the rest, or eating them in reasonable amounts along with protein, fat, fiber (think peanut butter and jelly, for instance) avoids the blood sugar spike.  This is why eating a whole fruit is, for us, greatly superior to drinking the juice, as the fiber slows the rate at which the fructose hits the bloodstream.

As Momine points out, exercise is also part of the "formula," as muscle, particularly muscle in the process of exercise, gobbles up sugar before the rest of our bodies.  I find it interesting that centuries of wisdom have placed sweet desserts after a meal of protein and complex carbs, and in many areas, the after-dinner stroll is de rigeur.

Momine

Brookside, thanks for the good explanation.