What foods are you eating to reduce recurrence?

Options
1111214161740

Comments

  • sophie786
    sophie786 Member Posts: 83
    edited March 2014

    Also seems like there are lobbyist who design studies to prove their points.  I honestly believe that most studies are flawed and skewed to prove a point. I try to tell myself too not to go crazy with any one method.  I would give benefit of the doubt to methods that withstand the test of time.  Again if you eat something and it makes you feel good then I would give more creditibility to that.  For example juicing makes feel good.  Eating fresh salads makes me feel better.  In short evaluate any food item for yourself and MOST OF ALL USE COMMON SENSE.

  • juneping
    juneping Member Posts: 1,594
    edited March 2014

    sophie,

    you can look up your local farmers market. i trust farmers market produce more than wholefoods. but the varieties at farmers market are very limited.

  • Fallleaves
    Fallleaves Member Posts: 806
    edited March 2014

    Yay, another study saying olive oil is good for fighting cancer! 

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24326154

  • jessica749
    jessica749 Member Posts: 429
    edited March 2014

    Here's the thing, Momine's link to WF said that the organic milk doesn't contain "added growth hormones". I take that to mean, it contains growth hormones, just none that are "added".

    Kind of like when fruit juice is advertised as having "no added sugar". Well, it still has plenty of sugar, we know.

    So that is in part one reason why I just avoid dairy, organic, low fat, or not.  Save the occasional yogurt, etc.  

    Use vanilla almond milk in my coffee…

    Would love for anyone to explain to me why they state no "added" growth hormones…how to feel comfortable with that as someone who has highly sensitive hormone bc.

  • jessica749
    jessica749 Member Posts: 429
    edited March 2014

    What do you ladies think of this, if you haven't yet read it?

    http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2006/12.07/11-dairy.html

  • 16Christine
    16Christine Member Posts: 23
    edited March 2014

    Jessica -

    I agree with the Harvard article until the last bit about nondairy creamer. That stuff is made with soy (and lots of sugar) and soy is something those of us on AIs should stay away from. The bad stuff in soy is genistein. Not bad for everyone, just those on AIs.

    Also, while milk is not the same as it once was, neither is any other food we eat. Everything is more processed. So I'm trying to stay with local organic produce and grass-fed meat. No more frozen foods, or canned, or boxed.

    Instead of a lot of 1% milk I am now using relatively small amounts of organic skim milk, almond milk, lowfat kefir, organic nonfat yogurt, and organic butter. Have cut out ice cream completely. Am eating more greens -- every dinner has a large portion of red, yellow, green vegetables. I don't know how my bones are holding up -- serum calcium is fine, but that's not the issue. 

    I like the site foodforbreastcancer.com, run by a woman named Sarah Charles who has lobular bc. She keeps the site current with new bc research and has a lot of background information on food issues. That's my go-to source for information about what I'm eating/should be eating.

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited March 2014

    Jessica, yes, that is correct. The naturally occurring hormones in milk are, as far as I can understand, carried in the fat. Some people hypothesize that this might explain the correlation between high-fat dairy and BC recurrence. Also, the natural hormone content in cow's milk is increased with the practice of milking pregnant cows (something I find really disgusting, and something the farmers of my childhood did not do). 

    One of the reasons I stick with traditional goat and sheep cheese when I do eat cheese is that here in Greece, they do not milk those animals when they are pregnant (to the best of my knowledge anyway).

    So far, studies suggest that low-fat dairy should be safe in modest quantities. So, I choose not to worry about the small amount of milk I consume in my morning coffee and muesli. There are also advantages to fermented dairy, so if I make pancakes, for example, I usually use goat kefir for that.

  • Fallleaves
    Fallleaves Member Posts: 806
    edited March 2014

    Hi 16Christine, I am a big fan of foodforbreastcancer.com as well. So many sites are very pro or anti one thing or other, but she gives a very nuanced view of an exhaustive list of foods and supplements. 

  • juneping
    juneping Member Posts: 1,594
    edited March 2014

    i am passionate about raw milk movement. so i am going to post a few articles about the benefits of raw milk and what is pasteurized milk.

    Dr Cate, a MD

    http://drcate.com/raw-milk-why-mess-with-udder-per...

    If we put a drop of fresh milk on a slide, we see thousands of lipid
    droplets of varying size streaming under the cover slip and maybe a
    living lactobacilli or two wiggling from edge to edge. These come from
    the cow’s udders which, when well cared for, are colonized with
    beneficial bacteria, as is human skin. We want good bacteria in our
    milk. These probiotics protect both the milk and the milk consumer from
    pathogens. Good bacteria accomplish this by using the same bacterial
    communication techniques we read about in the section on fermentation.

    Let’s go back to the light microscope to take a look at pasteurized,
    homogenized milk and identify what distinguishes it from raw. One
    striking difference will be the homogeneity of fat globule sizes and the
    absence of living bacteria. But the real damage is hiding behind all
    this homogeneity and is only revealed under the electron microscope.
    Now, we see that these fat blobs lack the sophisticated bilayer wrapping
    and are instead caked with minerals and tangled remnants of casein
    micelles.

    (if you click the link, there's images of the raw and pasterized milk under microscope)

    and there's Dr. Ron Schmid, a MD and ND, author of "the untold story of milk"

    http://www.drrons.com/raw-milk-health-benefits-4.h...

    Now
    what Pottenger actually did in some of his
    experiments is this. He used four groups of
    cats. All received for one-third of the diet
    raw meat. The other two-thirds was either
    raw milk or various heat-treated milks. The
    raw milk/raw meat diet produced many generations
    of healthy cats. Those fed pasteurized milk
    showed skeletal changes, decreased reproductive
    capacity, and infectious and degenerative
    diseases. (click link above to read more)

    http://www.drrons.com/raw-milk-health-benefits-5.h...

    'Clinical Evidences of the Value of Raw
    Milk'

    Pottenger's
    experiments met the most rigorous scientific
    standards. His outstanding credentials earned
    him the support of prominent physicians. Alvin
    Foord, M.D., Professor of Pathology at the
    University of Southern California and pathologist
    at the Huntington Memorial Hospital in Pasadena,
    co-supervised with Pottenger all pathological
    and chemical findings of the study. One particular
    question that modern science has largely ignored
    was addressed: What is the nutritive value
    of heat-labile elements-nutrients destroyed
    by heat and available only in raw foods?

    I'll
    quote some of Pottenger's work directly. First,
    from his article 'Clinical Evidences of the
    Value of Raw Milk:'

    'Some of
    the factors transmitted by milk are thermo-labile
    (sensitive to heat). Though their destruction
    may not produce death, their deficiency may
    prevent proper development of the child. This
    may show in the development of an inadequate
    skeleton or a decrease in resistance….delay
    in development of osseous centers is noted
    more frequently in those children…receiving
    heat treated milk. It is particularly absent
    from the raw milk fed children….I am
    basing this discussion on analysis of 150
    children whose parents have consulted me because
    of respiratory allergies….many other
    workers…have also shown that treating
    milk by heating interferes with its proper
    assimilation and nutritional qualities….The
    best milk from a nutritional standpoint is
    raw milk….Heat-treating milk interferes
    with calcium metabolism causing…delay
    in bone age, and small bones….The interference
    with calcium metabolism as shown in the bones
    in only a physiological index of disturbed
    metabolism throughout the body.'

    Speaking
    for myself—I personally have prescribed
    raw milk from grass-fed animals to my patients
    for nearly fifteen years. Time and again I
    have seen allergies clear up and dramatically
    improved health. Particularly in children,
    middle ear infections usually disappear and
    do not recur on raw milk. Both children and
    adults unable to drink pasteurized milk without
    problems have thrived on raw milk. In hundreds-perhaps
    thousands- of my patients using raw milk,
    not one has ever developed a Salmonella, Campylobacter,
    or other raw milk related infection.

    In
    the letter cited above, the state epidemiologist
    states that 'The processes of certification
    and/or inspection do not guarantee that raw
    milk will not be contaminated with pathogenic
    organisms.' He also lists a host of microorganisms
    that are alleged to be transmitted by raw
    milk consumption, not mentioning that, as
    the literature accompanying his letter makes
    clear, the only organisms even potentially
    associated with the consumption of certified
    raw milk are Salmonella and Campylobacter.
    And in one of the articles he cites, 'The
    Hazard in Consuming Raw Milk' (in The Western
    Journal of Medicine), the authors write that
    'Salmonella and Campylobacter diseases in
    humans are generally not serious. But in persons
    with compromised health (particularly those
    with malignant conditions and immunosuppressed
    by disease or therapy), these infections may
    be serious.'

    So,
    the gist of the state's argument against certified
    raw milk is that it might possibly on isolated
    occasions cause serious disease in some people
    whose immune systems have been compromised
    by the toxic effects of chemotherapy. And
    those of us who might choose to drink certified
    raw milk for the benefits I have catalogued
    should be denied that right."

    Fortunately,
    the members of the Environmental Committee
    saw through the shallowness of the state's
    argument and voted in favor of raw milk.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2014

    I have simply natural milk.  I don't agree with calling it "raw" because there's an agenda behind labelling it as such. Most people (even my organic natural milk supplier) haven't woken up and smelt the coffee. When you call something "raw" there's usually the connotation that it should be "cooked" which is what they essentially do. Its subtly conditioning people through a seemingly harmless little semantic error. In peoples thinking, then, they see it as COOKED verses RAW

    It is to condition people that there's something real yucky about natural milk because "RAW" is easily equated (and in some cases rightly so) with being unhygienic. 

  • juneping
    juneping Member Posts: 1,594
    edited March 2014

    musical - good point about the labeling. never thought about that.

  • flaviarose
    flaviarose Member Posts: 442
    edited March 2014

    Does anyone have a recommendation for matcha green tea powder?  It seems that most are from China and Japan and I hesitate to buy something that I will put in my body from either country, due to possible contamination with heavy metals and/or radiation.

  • juneping
    juneping Member Posts: 1,594
    edited March 2014

    fallleaves - you can try amazon and pick the ones with USDA organic matcha...i found this website...it sells very high quality green tea from japan...i think only japan makes matcha...?

    http://shizuokatea.com/index.php

  • Fallleaves
    Fallleaves Member Posts: 806
    edited March 2014

    Eat more walnuts!

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24500939

    "Researchers have identified biochemicals, including n-3 (ω-3) fattyacids, tocopherols, β-sitosterol, and pedunculagin, that are found in walnuts and that have cancer-prevention properties. Mouse studies in which walnuts were added to the diet have shown the following compared with the control diet: 1) the walnut-containing diet inhibited the growth rate of human breast cancers implanted in nude mice by ∼80%; 2) the walnut-containing diet reduced the number of mammary gland tumors by ∼60% in a transgenic mouse model; 3) the reduction in mammary gland tumors was greater with whole walnuts than with a diet containing the same amount of n-3 fattyacids, supporting the idea that multiple components in walnuts additively or synergistically contribute to cancer suppression"

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited March 2014

    Fall, and yet another study strongly suggesting that the whole food is better than an extract. It really is quite interesting.

    I put walnuts in my muesli every morning, along with raspberries. We also use walnuts in various foods and sprinkle them on salads.

  • juneping
    juneping Member Posts: 1,594
    edited March 2014

    thanks for the article....i bought a load of bread with walnuts in it...

    never really liked walnut that much but now i think i'll have to appreciate it more...

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2014

    Cant remember if it was this thread but a little back I commented on "bogus" Olive Oil and that one way to tell if it was authentic was it should have a green tinge and not be yellow.  I was at my local farmers market last week talking to a (somewhat) local grower of Olives who cold presses his olives and seemed to tick the right boxes except for peripheral/border spraying of his property using roundup. (grrrr)  

    Anyway, he had a few sample dishes (white inside) which he used to pour out a little of his various types. They were all yellow! I couldn't tell with his bottles cuz they were dark green. So maybe I've been listening to the wrong advice about the colour or this guy a con? Momine if youre reading, would appreciate your view on this.

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited March 2014

    Musical, I really don't know. I am guessing it could also depend on the type of olive used? In Greece, olive oil is usually greenish, this is true.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2014

    Thanks. He did actually mention something about the "type" of olives used. I thought Olives were Olives period. When I think of OO, I tend to think of places like Greece.

  • juneping
    juneping Member Posts: 1,594
    edited April 2014

    ladies...i would like to hear your opinions.

    i was doing okay eating piece of bread in the morning, veggi at lunch and veggi and some meat at dinner. and then i went home to visit my parents. and i was a little off in terms of eating. we ate dim sum almost everyday when i was there (3 weeks) and dinner i had a small bowl of red rice (unprocessed rice), i made sure i had veggi every meal except breakfast. and now after i came back since last saturday....i am hungry all the time. is my body just going thru some adjustments? or i am not feeding myself enough food? i am eating the same as before i went back home for the visit. any thoughts?? thanks.....

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited April 2014

    June, dim sum has a lot of processed carb (the dough). it will take your body a week or two to get back to eating veggies etc again.

  • juneping
    juneping Member Posts: 1,594
    edited April 2014

    thanks momine....

  • juneping
    juneping Member Posts: 1,594
    edited April 2014

    with the new rate of 1 in 8 women developed BC, i am optimistic that more women will be aware of if and the rate will drop. not that they'll find a cure but more and more women will take care of their health in terms of diet and exercise. say no to those conventional milk/eggs/meat.....i don't see the pharmaceuticals are in a hurry to find cures...they're a lot more interested in $$$$$. they invented new names for the deceases so they can sell more drugs...this is just wrong.

  • BrooksideVT
    BrooksideVT Member Posts: 2,211
    edited April 2014


    Welcome, Cindydthenp.  Yes, one problem is small sample sizes.  The other problem is that many of us have already been eating pretty much the established anticancer diet and developed breast cancer anyway.  In response to cancer, I've greatly reduced my beloved dietary fat (in addition to the right stuff, I've been eating some of the wrong) and, while simple carbs are not of much interest to me, I am paying more attention to making sure that complex carbs follow, or are combined with, either protein or high fiber, thereby preventing peaks in circulating insulin.  Personally, I'm not much concerned about hormones in milk, as I drink little, have greatly reduced my cheese intake (fat content, you know), and am taking an AI.

    I guess we're each a sample size of one, waiting for some scientific study (along with personal recurrence-free experience) to confirm we are on the right track.

  • purple32
    purple32 Member Posts: 3,188
    edited April 2014

    RE: Peanut butter

    Check this oiut:
    http://www.sharecare.com/health/womens-health/arti...

    (too bad so many kids today seem to be allergic!)

  • mary625
    mary625 Member Posts: 1,056
    edited April 2014

    You know, I think I've probably eaten more than my fair share of peanut butter, and we even had a peanut butter factory in the town where I grew up, but here I have ended up.  :(

  • Fallleaves
    Fallleaves Member Posts: 806
    edited April 2014

    Too bad my mother packed me bologna sandwiches everyday! (Probably also why I ended up a vegetarian....)

  • pipers_dream
    pipers_dream Member Posts: 618
    edited April 2014

    I haven't read thru the entire thread so 'scuse me if this has already been posted, but my new favorite "dessert" is what I call the Budwig Parfait--which is just the cottage cheese blended with flax oil.  It really is not half as bad as it sounds and somehow the combo is supposed to be synergistic so I've been eating it once/day.  It's 1/2 cup cottage cheese, 2 tablespoons flax oil (I use Barlean's), 1 teaspoon sour cherry concentrate, 1 tablespoon almond butter, and a couple of drops of almond extract, which is made from bitter almonds, aka laetrile, but I just use for flavor.  You can put a packet of stevia in if you need it.  I whirl it in a blender for a couple of minutes--you're supposed to get it mixed up really good.  And, like I said, not bad.  

  • purple32
    purple32 Member Posts: 3,188
    edited April 2014

    OH well....as we all know, there are a combo of risk factors.  I figure this is just one more thing to  'put in the pot'; of what might be good.

Categories