I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange

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  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited December 2013

    LOL – that post of the blogger and that Yale Study don’t
    represent the study at all!  Kind of
    ironic that both the poster and the link demonstrate exactly what the study
    author Kahan was trying to demonstrate. image What we see and what we want to so badly
    believe are sometimes in opposition.


     

    When study participants were presented with "fake
    studies," they would more likely to want to pick the wrong conclusion
    (despite their ability to do the math on the fake numerical outcomes of those
    studies) that matched their political beliefs if the study, for instance,
    involved subjects like gun control, e.g..  If the studies involved
    subjects like rashes and hand cream usage, the subjects were more likely to
    interpret the fake results correctly.

    This worked equally
    for Conservative and Liberal study participants.
      The real crux of the study showed that the
    higher one’s numerical abilities, Conservative or Liberal, the more likely the participant
    would dig further into the numbers to try and come out with a conclusion that
    matched his/her beliefs.

     

    The
    link posted over there was by a Conservative blogger who twisted the true
    conclusions of the study, probably by focusing on one "fake study"
    presented to the participants that showed only liberals getting to the wrong
    conclusion due to their biases. The blogger worked pretty hard to refute the
    real conclusions!

     

    I will add, think about Nate Silver’s POTUS election
    predictions that had Romney loosing by several % points in 2012.  I don’t need to be reminded how that same
    group of posters would dispute that over and over and go to the one outlier
    poll that supported their beliefs of Romney winning the election.  Guess it is pot calling kettle black time.

     

    I’m having grave problems with my computer and had
    to type this in word.  Ofcourse, I have
    HUGE problems with cut/paste in BCO, so the combination is deadly for the
    outcome of this post.

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited December 2013

    LOL - that post of the blogger, over there, about that Yale Study doesn't represent the study at all!!

    I'm having both computer and BCO/Computer issues and tried to use Word and then transplant.  Damn.  I'm not going to be here much longer at this rate.

    I explained it all, but I cannot type it again!

    The study was about reaching the wrong conclusions when presented with "fake studies" that tested one's biases.  Conservatives and Liberals, both, would challenge fake correct numerical outcomes if it didn't agree with their politics.  There is nothing about Teajadists doing better or smarter.  

    Just remember all of those posters who didn't want to believe Nate Silver's election predictions and chose to go with some bias outlier poll that showed Romney winning in 2012!!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited December 2013

    208Sandy - thanks,  wondered what people were referring to - now I know where it came from, I'm sorry I took the trouble to ask.  But thank you for letting me know I didn't miss a thing ;-)  I'll have to stop asking...so sorry to learn people are still wasting their time with that garbage..but, to each her own.

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited December 2013

    Kam -- I'm having the same trouble; can't even c/p links anymore.  We Mac users are being discriminated against!  And I can't use the icons to show my displeasure....

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited December 2013

    I don't think it is wasting my time to correct a false post or sooth my own curiousity (and possibly others).   Others will read it and will assume some blogger (because of what?) is correct  << well, one poster already did.  I was curious, so I read it.  I realized the blog had no details of the study, just one falacious conclusion.  We are all different that way Sunny.

    Now, I could just assume some posters are always wrong and some TV network always lies, but I like to test out my assumptions once in awhile and frankly, just based on my own anecdotal evidence of TPers and the fact it was a Yale study (Scientific Method employed) I was darn curious about the actual study.

    No surprise, more lying and/or convolution of facts from the Right.

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited December 2013

    Totally CONVOLUTED!

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited December 2013

    C4C - never had (most of these) problems until they changed the toolbar.  Since we are becoming a Macworld, more and more, these days, would it make sense to shut us Apple users out?  The problem has been going on far too long at this point - ergo, incurable?

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited December 2013

    The new toolbar was the arrow in my apple's heart.  Up until a couple of days ago, I could at least post a link,  but I can't even do that anymore.  The Mods did say a few months ago that their techs were working on it......

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited December 2013

    C4C - I've been having other problems since they've loaded the toolbar - coincidence?  The Rainbow wheel of death.  I just ran the disk repair utility in hopes it will help.  Hate to blame BCO for this, but things were running rather smoothly until then.

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited December 2013

    So this is what George Takei (Sulu in Star trek) had to say about the Duck Dynasty idiocy.........

    "Many fans asked for my thoughts on the "Duck Dynasty" controversy. They pressed and pressed, but I refused to quack.


    But I can't duck this issue forever. I don't really care feather
    someone on a reality show said something about gays that didn't fit the
    bill. He's entitled to his opinion, even if it's for the birds. But the
    network also is worried about flocking with its base, so if it feels it
    should drake him over the coals for making his fowl comments, so be it.

    So that's migrate opinion."

    He is gay and has a way with words!  Gives me a chuckle every time I log into my FB account.

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited December 2013

    In my universe....

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited December 2013

    Blue....saw that and thought yeah -- right on !!!!  Going to try a link....sometimes they do and sometimes don't.

    http://www.facebook.com/l/YAQFmQjej/www.forwardprogressives.com/dear-phil-robertson-supporters-ive-got-a-few-words-for-your-christian-values/

    Jackie

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited December 2013
  • alexandria58
    alexandria58 Member Posts: 1,588
    edited December 2013

    Hi everyone.  It's 70 here, and I don't like it.  Not because I dislike warm weather, but because 70 in New Jersey in December is wrong .... and scary.  Worried about the future of the planet.

    Anyway, having said that, about to put carbon in the air to go visit my elderly aunts in D.C. for two days, then home and Christmas Eve, Christmas. and then to Vermont. (YEs, I might be Jewish, but my husband isn't - and we have always celebrated.)  I might or might not be on for a few days.  If not. wishing everyone here a wonderful holiday, a Merry Christmas if you celebrate, if you don't, I wish you the joy of the season.

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited December 2013

    Iced in and just got power back.  Thank you global warming and kunckledraggers!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited December 2013

    Alexandria - almost 60 in western MA.  If you're headed to VT the end of the week, expect SNOW and cold.  With you on being SO CONCERNED about this strange weather.  Excellent article in UK Guardian about the "funders" of the anti global warming orgs.  The usual suspects.

    Blue - love your post - reminds me of the Kris Kristofferson song "Jesus was a Capricorn, he ate organic food, he believed in peace and love and never wore no shoes"

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited December 2013

    Morning Gals!

    It's already up to 70 degrees this morning ... and climbing. Lots of rain forecast for the next two days.  Think I'll open the windows for a while.  The almanac forecast a very bad winter for us this year, but so far it's been really mild.  Just a few cold days.

    Didn't sleep well last night ... I think it was too hot.  Need to get busy and get moving as Tim will be home soon.

    hugs to all,

    Bren

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited December 2013

    Who said I was an atheist?  I love religious art!

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited December 2013

    Blue, the trees (not just the treetops) are glistening here this morning, even without sun!  Very pretty, but icily treacherous.  Our power was out for a couple of hours in the middle of the night...now all the clocks need resetting, grrh!

    What it is about some people that they always need to be fighting a war?  I'm referencing this phony "War on Christmas", of course.  Too much darn bellicosity going on.  

    Have a lovely holiday with you and yours, Sandy!  And for all the slow ones who criticize some of us for saying "Happy Holidays", they DO need to be reminded that the word holiday actually means holy day, etymologically speaking.  Somehow or other, some folks simply think of a holiday as a vacation.......

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited December 2013

    CAC, my daughter with 2 little ones still has no power.

  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited December 2013

    My "radio" son was just called in to the station in Toronto to do a special on the weather situation there.  It looks like a lot of trees were thinned out!

  • lassie11
    lassie11 Member Posts: 1,500
    edited December 2013

    I got out the flashlights, put a water jug in the fridge and charged my mini iPad all set for the power to go out. It only flashed off a couple of times. Now everything is covered in ice, small branches litter my back yard and a huge bank of icy snow fills the end of my driveway. I'm trying to decide it if is finished and I should try to clear the stairs and walk or if there will be more and that's a good excuse to hide inside. So glad I decided not to try to drive the two hours to see my father til tomorrow when the major roads ought to be cleared up.

  • 208sandy
    208sandy Member Posts: 2,610
    edited December 2013

    Power went out here in middle of the night (4 a.m.) but came right back on - friend at one end of Oakville (near Mississauga) hasn't had power since 4 a.m. but her son who lives 10 minutes away has power - the lights here have been flickering again recently - I was going to bake shortbread but perhaps I'll hold off and read instead.  Stay warm and safe everyone!

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited December 2013

    You can count me in on weather.  We had an over-night, followed by an almost full day of rain yesterday.  We had our warm temps. which got up to mid 60's....and that brought the rain.  Right before was the nearly three weeks of snow and ice.  So, I don't feel too good either about some of the catastrophe's that could become normal in life.    So many people are so ready and willing to ignore this challenge, call it something else or just assign it to the next generation.  As I click my tongue. 

    I didn't know you were an Atheist Blue.....really.  I just can't believe that, but sit here thinking.......some of the so-called Christians would be much more believable if they were in fact, Atheists.  Can't ever be said too often, LOVE is going to be the only thing that will pull us up out of the mire where we have sunk.   Love is a lot of things but I think one of the important ones is loving enough to have empathy..........not putting yourself above, but a huge willingness to absorb conditions that are experienced all along the spectrum.  Something the Tehadists and others of that ilk are lacking.  End result --- probably going to have  huge price and not worth it at all.  Karma just bites. 

    Jackie

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited December 2013
  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited December 2013

    Isn't it lovely:


  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited December 2013

    Wow!  You guys up north really got slammed.  Ice is so scary ... would rather it just snowed.

    Lassie ... Please be careful ... don't go out and pick up limbs if it's still icy.  That's something I would do ... and I'd probably fall on my ass.  It's raining hard here and I have the windows open!

    Blue ... Hope your daughter gets the power back on quickly.  It's hard to entertain to babies with no power.  Do they have a fireplace where they can burn some wood?  What's all this stuff about atheists?

    PiP ... Hope your son is okay driving into work.

    Carrots ... I'm not at war with Christmas.  Down here in the south all the folks say Merry Christmas ... so that's what I say too.  But the cards I send out say happy holidays.  I have lots of Jewish and non-believing friends. I'm trying to get in the Christmas spirit ... I'm smiling at everyone in walmart, helping the old people, wishing people well, etc.  This holiday season is my reminder to "give back." 

    Hugs to all,

    Bren

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited December 2013

    Atheists are non-theists, meaning that they do not believe in anyone's god.  Despite many, many attempts to the contrary, one cannot force a person to believe in something just because he/she does.  Conversely, however, with age comes knowledge and wisdom, and thus many former believers, of their own free will, lose the faith in which they were taught as children, and become first, agnostic (usually) and then atheist.

    Unfortunately, believers in god often take extreme offence and start hailing insults down upon the atheist.  "Godless" is thrown around as an insult, rather than simply a fact.  In fact, this intolerance and bigotry, too often evidenced by those professing to have faith in God, only demonstrates that they are not followers of Jesus' teachings.

    So... guess what, folks!  A belief in someone's god doesn't make one a righteous person.  Following the Golden Rule, and  the laws of the land are all that matters.

    And that's my sermon for today!

    (ETA:  This was not directed at anyone.  I should have called it my rant instead of my sermon -- but it's Sunday, so what the heck!!)

  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited December 2013

    No worries about my son driving.  He walked to the station.   I don't think his wife would have let him drive even if he did have a car!   

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited December 2013

    PiP .. that's great that he can walk to work!

    Carrots .. loved today's sermon!  I just don't know what I am anymore. 

    hugs,

    Bren

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