I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange

WABBIT - all good thoughts being sent to wrap you & DH in the hope there is medical intervention to keep you BOTH safe, and warm, and healthy.  What a difficult fight.  So sad you had to negotiate the blue lines to find the support we all send you.

Bartender - what you said. Why would the trolls bother to read what they don't like.  notself, I think Retired Libby is accurate to IGNORE, IGNORE, IGNORE, not comment on, IGNORE - seems the only way those looking to stir up trouble are going to stop. 

Makes me cry, to see the "tears" the trolls express, when it is THOSE TROLLS who instigated by their posts a response from Our Lioness, getting her too often banned.  While it seems from the general good will at bco, that many of the worst trolls have been permanently banned, it's still vitally important to IGNORE, IGNORE, IGNORE and make sure you don't need phasers, by using the IGNORE BUTTON, and giving yourself the gift of BLUE LINES.  PLEASE - in honor of OUR LIONESS, please go back & reread Retired Libby's post - IGNORE the Trolls. Don't even bother to waste a single brussel sprout. 

Jackie - those two pictures tell the WHOLE STORY.  All that needs to be said, thank you, thank you, thank you.

Blue - I am still chortling with the UFO's - what a great one.

Thanks Alexandria - Marion Wright Edelman is a HERO.  And lets not forget it was her good friend, HRC, who helped launch CDF, and as a lawyer and Board member for them too.

Wabbit....I am so sorry.  I must have missed some posts.  I had no idea what you have been dealing with apparently for some time now.  Do accept my deep hope and highest well wishes that meds and tx will work well and a long, long, long remission will become the order of the day.  I think there is a quote about our never being able to be sure what deep water others may be treading and that it would be a kindness to bear that in mind when we speak.  I need to think of that as well when I speak................but some things do need to be said now and then.

I actually did have blocks on which I removed for a bit......I'll see how long I can do without.  As mentioned above....I do often just blurt out my REAL feelings and I'll try and curtail to some degree.  I think at one time I may have been ACCUSED of basically pandering to the women here...REALLY.  In my minds eye it was respect, warm feelings and much care for women who generally thought the same way I mainly do.  If that is pandering than I stand accused as I am neck deep and even further in it and I have completely, totally, and absolutely no wish to change.

Alexandria you are so right on with what you said and how you said it.  Your validation of humanness during strife and struggle is priceless.  The motivation for getting things ( in this case families who should be together ) done, anything....is simply love.  If you love and care enough...it will be done.  If your goal ( so many wonderful four letter words -- goal, love, will, done ) is to make it go right, starting from the position of love is an attitude that can get you there...maybe not as soon as you'd like, but right is more powerful usually then the might of almost anyone.

E...and Sunny -- you always know what to say and RL---well gosh durn' and heck and here I go pandering, but everyone here just helps define my stance so well and so all of you remain important to me as does this thread.  I don't go over to the 'other' because I get chatted with by officials.....reminds me, some can dish it out it seems but  you can fill in the blanks here.

Big pandered ((hug to L )) --- good to see you.

Jackie

E, well said. Thanks for speaking up.

Oh my, this explains a lot, as in apples falling from trees (courtesy TPM):

The new federal health care law will "destroy the elderly" and "homosexual marriage" is designed to supplant God with government, Sen. Ted Cruz's (R-TX) father warned conservatives in Iowa over the weekend.

In a fiery speech Saturday at the Family Leadership Summit in Ames, Iowa, Pastor Rafael Cruz laid out a number of socialist doomsday scenarios that he claimed are playing out in the United States, likening President Barack Obama to Fidel Castro.

“Socialism requires that government becomes your god,” he said, as quoted by The Des Moines Register. “That’s why they have to destroy the concept of God. They have to destroy all loyalties except loyalty to government. That’s what’s behind homosexual marriage.”

Cruz said "our lives are under attack" due to the Affordable Care Act, the federal health care law widely known as "Obamacare."

“Obamacare is going to destroy the elderly by denying care, by even perhaps denying treatment to people who are in catastrophic circumstances," the elder Cruz said.

C4C, the hysterical thing is that the baggers are so ignorant that they simply cannot grasp that socialism is an economic system, not a political system, and that the most "socialist" elements of our government are the ones that everyone likes - Medicare, Social Security, police and fire departments .... smh. 

L

Here is a fun video guaranteed to make some heads explode.  It is a nice, fun video about the Affordable Care Act from the (non-partisan) Kaiser Family Foundation (kff.org) with good information and simple explanations about what will happen when the ACA goes into effect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZkk6ueZt-U#at=13

L

And here is something for people who don't want to pay taxes or educate other people's children ...

E - thanks!

Wabbit - sorry to hear about DH - sending hugs.

Mama mia, y'all are chatty.  I just got caught up. Thank you for the warm welcome, bluedahlia and lewing.

I'm really happy to see like-minded Liberal women here. On to fetuses, children, etc. Disclaimer: My parents are religious Conservatives and have donated to "pro-life" charities. I was also "pro-life" until the Marxists professors brainwashed me.

Women who want abortions, especially for financial reasons, are in a no-win situation, seriously. They get crap from Conservatives who want to protect those fetuses at any cost. And if they go ahead and carry to term, they get additional crap for needing assistance (welfare) to raise them.

I'm a huge supporter of contraception. However, if it fails, and you're faced with a decision, it's completely up to you since you will be the one pregnant. Your body. Sometimes that decision is based on financial reasons. If you can't afford it, abortion should always be an option. And you shouldn't get crap for it.

People have called me pro-death, which cracks me up. I'm not afraid of that label. Abortion and euthanasia should be options.

GGG - I really like your "whatever gets the marshmallows toasty"  line.  It cracks me up - speaking of which - marshmallows, not cracking - I want to go camping before the summer's over!!

For whomever asked when we are moving - uhhh - not until the carpets are out, the new flooring, new sink and new garbage disposal are in - a washer and dryer would be good, too.    I'm assuming that we'll be in our new digs somewhere around the middle of October.  In the meantime, I'm still tile and flooring hunting - and planning for an herb garden.

RL - thanks for the links. Eichenwald is the first person I've heard use the words "forced birth" for all the anti-abortion laws the ALEC are helping states pass.  Leads in my mind to the description Forced Birthers whenever I hear the false words "pro life."

Forced Birthers.  The truth is strong, many can't stand to hear it.  Forcing a woman to continue an unwantd pregnancy and forcing her to give birth - horrible.

Wonder where & when socialism, the ECONOMIC SYSTEM, became such a frightening word to so many. As RL wisely says, the word is SO SO SO SO misused...says the sunflower who DAILY gives thanks for being over 65 and on Medicare

My dh and I bough new bikes this weekend.  And a tandem kayak.  Today my butt is sore.

Yorkie, I like what you said.  Abortion should be safe but rare.

RL....many thanks for the article.  Always love when someone can just skip to the chase and cut out all the pre-marlarkey -- make up of generally false or at least totally mis-leading info.  I think I would like to see him become really good friends with Elizabeth Warren and Alison L. Grimes.

Jackie

Saw a really good graph just now.....stops at 2005 but clearly shows how things have been...go Democrats.