I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange

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  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited May 2013

    Insurance is a good example to use -- except, of course, that it's a for-profit industry, so then it would be perfectly okay in her eyes.....

    CFC - this is why Obamacare should be so satisfying to them!!  Ironic huh - they get private health insurance companies running Obamacare and it's still not good enough and then they seem to want to keep their Medicare, run by the gubmint.  What's up is down and what's down is up in their world.  Blinded by their own hatred of Obama.

    Ok, don't think anyone could love a Craftsman more than me!  I tried my darndest to add Craftsman touches to my little house.  Here are my braces and set in windows (this is a remodel, or I would have gotten exactly what I wanted - now I'm of the mind, the real thing is best, or go with what you have...a ranch is a ranch is a ranch, no imitations).

  • lewing
    lewing Member Posts: 1,288
    edited May 2013

    I like the idea of invisible deer grazing on our roof.  I'm going with that (no matter what Sunflowers says, lol).

    Linda

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited May 2013

    I don't think conservatives have had anything you can call a "position" for years. Positions are stances which one has to defend and rationalize. All they have are talking points. If only they set their tripe to music we could call it "crap-pop" or something.

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited May 2013

    Athena...I nearly wet myself laughing.  "Crap Pop" or something indeed.  Okay, I'm not typing because I'm working so hard not to laugh. 

    Well, it is heart-warming (  not that the conserves don't have their hands over their ears going na-na, nan, na- na- na and whistling at the end just to make sure ), to hear of California's success......which I seldom doubted.  It wasn't actually doubt as much as there were just a couple of things I wasn't quite sure how they were going to work.

    Bugs to work out in everything, so I feel/felt always it was just a matter of time. 

    Pip....love your plan.  Was there really a life before You Tube?  What wonderful fun.

    Ok lewing....they are deer, even if a new variety with long tails. Love it.

    Jackie

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited May 2013
  • Alyson
    Alyson Member Posts: 4,308
    edited May 2013

    These are NZ versions of bungalows

    An NZ villa -mine and my spring secret garden

    Must take some photos of the houses in the street mainly villas with a few bungalows.

    Education and childhood poverty are the main political topics here at present. Should we provide food at schools for children who are not being fed properly at home? Thats the debate. Government about to announce programme for schools.

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited May 2013

    Ah, the front Allyson, has a bit of a Victorian tinge to it.  Foxgloves, my favorite flower! I have them in both shade and sunny garden.  Yours are beautiful!  Is that a climbing rose in front?  I put a Sally Mae on the side of my "new house" but have yet to build a structure for it to trail on.  Wait a minute...looks like the Fox Glove belongs to the NZ Bungalow example.  Still, lovely flowers. And maybe in Auckland, those are bougenvillas, not a rose climber?

    Jackie - John Fugelsang is my version of the perfect man. :)

    Athena - Talking Points yes ....TP, like TP'ing a house. Sealed If they had to actually explain why Obamacare is bad public policy philosophically, ethically, crickets would be chirping.  If they had to come up with an alternative - total vacuum.

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited May 2013

    Tom-Coburn-upi

    Tom Coburn (R-OK) went on Face The Nation this Sunday and hit those small government talking points like a pro. After a short talk with Oklahoma governor Mary Fallin who is overseeing the cleanup and rebuilding of the tornado ravaged state, host Bob Schieffer asked Sen. Coburn his opinion on the use of federal aid and how it is delivered to the states. Coburn took the core conservative concept of “personal responsibility” to a whole new level:

    It disproportionately hurts the more populous states, the way we do it. The economic damage indicator, the way it’s calculated. So a large state like NJ or NY is disadvantaged under the system we have today.

    It’s not entirely clear what Colburn means about the way damage is calculated. Does he mean that populous states contribute more to federal aid due to their larger tax base? It seems unlikely that Coburn is actually concerned with blue states in the slightest. It would however, fit in with the general theme of “Me!Me!Me!” of conservative politics.

    One of the things that people affected by Superstorm Sandy (myself among them) found most galling about the GOP holding up the aid package in the days and weeks after the storm, is that we don’t think twice about sending aid to (primarily) red states when the yearly tornado season levels this town or that city. We know we have more money than sparsely populated Oklahoma. New York City alone has more than twice the population of the entire state and we are well aware that rebuilding thousands of houses after a spate of tornadoes is not a small task on a limited budget. So we give and we do not begrudge it. That is the social contract of America: We help you when you need it and you help us when we do. And yet, Coburn and his cohort of “fiscally conservative” Republicans balked at lending a hand when Sandy flattened an unimaginable amount of the New York and New Jersey coastline.

    Coburn finishes this “on your own” sentiment a few minutes later:

    “We’ve created a kind of a predicate, that you don’t have to be responsible for what goes on in your state”

    The idea that “personal responsibility” extends to the state level is ridiculous from every angle. This is the UNITED States of America. We are a single, unified country. If a state falls down, the rest are there to pick it up. That, too, is the social contract. The selfishness inherent in this view of society is hard to overstate. Where does it end? Will the small towns be expected to stand on their own instead of relying on the big cities in Oklahoma? Actually, in the Republican States of America, the answer is “Yes.” This is why schools in poor urban areas are left to rot while schools in affluent areas are flush with money. Of course, later on when the poorly educated urban (read as: minority”) children do not succeed in life, it’s often because “they just didn’t try hard enough.”

    See how “personal responsibility” works? It codifies the conservative mantra of “I’ve got mine, screw you.”

    This mantra was made even more clear by Coburn’s complaint about federal aid for disasters:

    …then ought to make sure the money is actually for the emergency at hand, not for four or five years later. And not allow bills to be actually loaded up with things that have nothing to do with the emergency at hand.

    The “four or five years later” Coburn is referring to is things like building tornado proof storm shelters and reinforcing existing infrastructure to withstand future storms. This investment in the future is a terrible idea for a number of Republican reasons; first, there’s just the idea of preparing for the future. That’s like admitting bad things will happen and that’s only allowed when terrorism is involved. suggesting that severe weather is an ongoing problem is a little too close to admitting Climate Change is real.

    Second, if we actually use government money to prepare for disasters and it saves lives, that would bolster the idea that government can do something good and worthwhile. Obviously a heretical idea to conservative orthodoxy.

    Third, just the act of improving infrastructure has a stimulating effect on the local economy. There’s a reason so many of our roads and bridges are falling apart: the GOP refuses to spend the money necessary across the country because that will prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that government spending can and does improve the economy on a large-scale.

    Sen. Coburn is a perfect microcosm of everything that is wrong with our country at the moment. He is at the forefront of a movement to erode and eventually erase the national unity that allowed America to thrive and to leave the poor, the weak, the hungry and the injured to fend for themselves. But that’s not who we are and the sooner heartless Republicans are voted out in favor of those who actually give damn about our nation, the better off we’ll all be.



    Read more: http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/05/26/gops-tom-coburn-stunning-call-for-less-federal-aid-for-disaster-victims/#ixzz2UXU4o8xA

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
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    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2013

    Alyson - are they foxgloves?  They look so much larger than the ones I've seen.  A friend gave me 2 hollyhock plants - she has a huge garden, and some iris - both seem to be doing well for me.  Tho I don't know how anything is surviving this cold.  Can't wait til it gets above 40 during the day.  Supposedly later this week..my sungold tomato plants are getting very leggy inside!  Also have 4 moonflower plant inside, ready to climb the windows.  Has anyone smelled moonflowers...deeeeeeevine.  Wish I could grow frangiapani ( plumeria) - even indoors - such a heavenly smell.

    Oh, Lewing - invisible dancing deer it is.  I am personally VERY fond of boating on DeNile, in hindsight, I think it's how I got thru the 6 years since diagnosis.  But I still remember the median of Park Ave as it was in the 1970's...shudder, shudder...

    Athena - ya gotta trademark protect "Crap Pop" - I can already think of some great lyrics.  Hope you're feeling better every day...

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited May 2013

    Yes, those are foxgloves.  I mentioned it above. Tongue Out

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
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  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited May 2013

    As always -- love the pictures, Blue. 

    Jackie

  • alexandria58
    alexandria58 Member Posts: 1,588
    edited May 2013

    Sun - did you get actual snow?  There was 13 inches around Mt. Mansfield, Vermont - May 27.  So that proves global warming ain't real, don't it?

    Good night all. Dream of kittens and lions, flowers, and beautiful houses.

  • lewing
    lewing Member Posts: 1,288
    edited May 2013

    Allyson, what a lovely garden!  I love foxgloves, too.  Went to the Botanic Garden on Sunday and admired the way they'd worked foxgloves into the rose garden . . . a really lovely combination.  (I had perennial foxgloves in my garden for years; they're much smaller than yours, with pale yellow flowers, but still beautiful.) 

    I actually think my rooftop plant predators are birds (pigeons?) rather than imaginary, long-tailed deer.  I base that on no actual evidence, just wishful thinking.  I do know someone a few blocks away who loved to garden but was told by the city to rip out their groundcover because it made a great habitat for you-know-what.  (Makes me wonder about those tulip beds on Park Avenue!)

    Linda

  • alexandria58
    alexandria58 Member Posts: 1,588
    edited May 2013

    The non-imaginary deer here in Jersey eat my plums, my tomatoes, my hostas, my spices, down to the ground, nothing but stubs, so maybe it's better if your preditor is something else.

    (Deer in Jersey seem bolder than deer in Vermont, but probably because there's lots of woods in Vermont and also lots of people willing to put them in the dinner pot.)

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited May 2013

    Morning All,

    I have a splitting headache this a.m. and lots of reports to transcribe.  Who knew typing AD/HD reports could be so much fun.  Not.

    Athena ... Hope you are feeling better today.  Loved the picture of the Craftsman house.  My favorite style of architecture, along with Frank Lloyd Wright.

    Linda ... I sure hope it's birds that are getting your garden and not some kind of rodent.  We had a deer in the backyard yesterday, but we didn't plant a garden this year, so she had to find something else to eat.

    Going to be a beautiful day today ... just wish I could get rid of this migraine. 

    Well ... I better get back to work.

    hugs,

    Bren

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2013

    Supposedly, if you put LARGE bars of soap ( Dial) around plants - it repels "invisible" deer.

    We only got a few "snow showers" - supposed to be up to 70 today, with possible frost tonight - still haven't put out tomato plants...probably will by end of week.  VT got REAL snow...skiing anyone, in May???

    Alyson, I've never seen foxgloves that LARGE - that's why I was asking - interesting. Speaking of interesting, I kinda miss something about the cicada invasion DC is having - it was so strange, the noise amazing - but I actually brought a few inside when they came out of the ground, put them on my dining room table, and WATCHED them "hatch" - fascinating.  They start out all white, with huge black spots on head, the "wings" are like crumpled tissue paper on their sides, the wings unfold, and then the black from head goes down the body & colors it brownish, and the RED eyes appear...I then took them outside - to make savage slits in the fruit tree ( peach) I'd grown from seed..didn't know they did that....but after watching them, took about 30 minutes, I kinda felt kindly toward them....

  • AnneW
    AnneW Member Posts: 4,050
    edited May 2013

    Got to love all the ADHD stuff, Bren! A little Adderall would help us all as we age and can no longer multitask at the extreme level! Hope your headache gets better and life smooths out for you this week. Did Mr. Tim finally get back on the road?

    I'm enjoying a few days without my own Tim. He's off to beautiful Saskatoon for a weather conference of some sort. I spent Memorial Day laboring in the garden and house. THought about going into town for the last day of the Boulder Creek Fest, but the crowds annoy me. Plus 50K+ had turned out for the Boulder Bolder, a ritual 10K run/walk/dance crazy fest. So, back at work to get a break...

    Everyone have a wonderful day!

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited May 2013

    Digitalis purpurea 'Gloxiniaeflora' go to 48" tall. 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2013

    Kam - it was the width, more than the height, of Alyson's foxgloves which surprised me...do love them.  Also delphiniums, but never able to get them to grow.

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited May 2013

    Just stopping in to say hi since I'm running late this a.m.  Sometimes that becomes my middle name.  Hope you all have a really good day.  Just thinking how a nice yard adds sparkle to some houses.

    See you all later.

    Jackie

  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited May 2013

    We used to hang dial soap around our apple orchard.  It did seem to work.

  • lewing
    lewing Member Posts: 1,288
    edited May 2013

    Interesting tip about the soap . . . I'll give it a try.

    Linda

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited May 2013

    Sunny - I went outside to take pics of my purperea's.  This one is in my new sunny garden (most of area yet to be planted, but I had to get my favorite foxgloves in last summer!):

    This is 2 plants.  The tallest is 3 inches shy of 5' tall and about 2' wide.

    In the shade garden, haven't sent in spikes (last year, it was August/Sept):

    They measure 19" wide, but obviously crowded in both situations.

    Also, this is not a great place for gardening.  These plants in Portland, Oregon would be outrageous!  I suspect NZ's maratime climate would be likewise for gardens.  My girlfriend sent me a pick of her hollyhocks in Portland on May 6th - unbelievable!

    They're beasts! (Pics don't seem to do them justice, either.)

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
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  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
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  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited May 2013

    Ran across somerhing funny:

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