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  • Joanne_53
    Joanne_53 Member Posts: 1,477
    edited February 2013

    Miranda,

    No weight loss here with tamoxifen and no appeitite change .... hot flashes are wicked.

    Rads -- I used Glaxol Base cream -- slather it on day and night ... avoid 2 hours before treatment.  Also used cornstarch in a stocking for a powder puff for under breast to keep dry.  I did have a bit of skin breakdown but nothing too serious -- polysporin was advised by my RO. 

  • juneaubugg
    juneaubugg Member Posts: 951
    edited February 2013

    Joanne; have you tried Gabepentin? its really amazing, and no nasty side effects from it. totally gave me back my QOL.

  • Joanne_53
    Joanne_53 Member Posts: 1,477
    edited February 2013

    No but I will ask my PCP when I have my next appointment. 

  • MirandaSW
    MirandaSW Member Posts: 35
    edited February 2013

    I started taking Black Cohosh for the hot flashes. It has helped tremendously. I have maybe 1 or 2 a day now only and they are shorter and less severe.

    Chemo stopped my periods and gave me the hot flashes. Not excited about the continuance due to Tamo.  My biggest complaint in this area, is the lack of hormones have jacked my sex life up so much. This is totally TMI...but I have no desire and when I take one for the team I cant orgasm.
    At the age of 35 this sucks. My husband and I like to have sex with each other. We have always been good at it. This is so frustrating.

    How does Tamo effect that? Make it better or worse?

  • Chrisrenee77
    Chrisrenee77 Member Posts: 1,032
    edited February 2013

    Mirandasw-coming from one 35 yo t another, I think there are a multitude of factors. 1. The tamox I believe does affect your hormones( I am not on that but on femara). 2. Maybe trying too hard to reach the big "O". I know this because of my femara, just because your hubby is ready for the big climax and you are wanting to as well so that he doesn't think you aren't into it. I still have issues with reaching the big "O", too much on my mind, maybe in the wrong position, implant insecurities. So the stress is always there. If you have kids maybe not wanting to wake them up. My hubby and I make it a point to get out of the house without kids once every three months. Dinner, movie, and a hotel room make all the noise you want. Don't be too hard on yourself I think most of us all have the same issues. Good luck with the "O".

  • Loral
    Loral Member Posts: 932
    edited February 2013

    Miranda:  If you are ER+ MO says NO Black Cohosh. I took that for 6 years and MO said that could have contributed to my cancer growing.

  • Joanne_53
    Joanne_53 Member Posts: 1,477
    edited February 2013

    Miranda, I was going to say the same thing ... It works against the tamoxifen.

  • Tazzy
    Tazzy Member Posts: 2,546
    edited February 2013

    Mirandah:  here's my 2 cents worth:   Used Glaxol Base for lubing.   Plus saline soaks.   Been on tamox since beginning of December and no real SE's... few hot flashes, but they are gone as quick as they arrive, weight loss... not a SE in my mind, sex drive flew out the window - took the pressure off myself, by just cuddling and caressing each other and if it leads to something it does.   I am thankful that my DH puts me under no pressure... but its frustrating to say the least.   Oh! and I am 53 so way older than  you.

  • MirandaSW
    MirandaSW Member Posts: 35
    edited February 2013

    Well, damn it!!! (about the black cohosh).  It helps, so of course its contraindicated. Not supposed to start Tamoxifen till the end of the month. I really dont even want to take it. Dont know what the point is. I have no more breast tissue. I have heard it can cause other cancers later. Not sure POSSIBE benefits are worth all the risks and side effects.

    Hubs does not pressure me. I want to want to do it. So we do sometimes. We are really good at sex stuff and ALWAYS have a lot of foreplay. Lubing hasnt been too much of an issue, but we have stuff for that anyway. I can enjoy things and get just on the brink of the "O" but then it just doesnt actually happen. Hubs will wait for me but eventually I just tell him to go ahead since it is appearant I wont actually 'O". Its very frustrating for me.
    A lot of things are. Since I just finished my 6 rounds of Cytoxin and taxol, my muscles are achy all the time. I have gained 25 pounds. My pants are too tight. I cant exercise like I used to as my muscles have become weaker and sore and fatigue is here. Food still doesnt taste right. Cant "O". WTF.

    Sorry. Didnt mean to complain.

  • Tazzy
    Tazzy Member Posts: 2,546
    edited February 2013

    Mirandah.... no need to apologise - really there isn't.   I have been assured that eventually all 'normal' things will return - may take a year, but they will return.  

  • PaEaglesFan
    PaEaglesFan Member Posts: 277
    edited February 2013

    For those going thru the Tamoxifen hot flashes... I've been on Tamo since the end of November and have noticed that the flashes have dwindled down to almost non-existient by now.  I had wicked bad joint pains as well, but rode them out with tylenol and they passed after a month or less.  
    Miranda... even tho you don't have any breast tissue left, the tamoxifen will help prevent it from showing up elsewhere... bones, brain, lungs, liver... news that no one wants to get.  From the way it was explained to me the cancer cells will float around in your body trying to find someplace to make a new home.  The tamoxifen will starve them of their favorite food of hormones.

  • juneaubugg
    juneaubugg Member Posts: 951
    edited February 2013

    Miranda:  I HEAR YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  THIS TOTALLY FUCKING SUCKS AND I WANT MY OLD BODY BACK!  Alas my sponsor (I'm in a 12 step program) and my therapist keep reminding me that it is gone.  The chemo has permanently changed the elasticity of my skin and temporarily changed my muscle tone/strength.  It's a long road back to healthy it seems - it's not just about finishing treatment.  It's going to take work if we want to get back to a semblance of our former physical selves.  Exercising is brutal because my muscles are so weak, but I am noticing it getting just a little less torturous.  It's been about 2 months for me.

    As for sex, I haven't had your problem - however I might suggest you throw in some toys.  That should help push you over the edge... and maybe remove some of the stress.  At this point you have it in your mind every time that you just won't orgasm...  that ALONE can be the cause.  It's sort of self perpetuating. Hang in there sister....

  • allurbaddayswillend
    allurbaddayswillend Member Posts: 355
    edited February 2013

    Miranda and everyone else, there are a couple great sites to check before using herbs, supplements, and extracts, etc. In no particular order:

    U of Maryland alt med data, click on "Herb" or "Supplements" - http://www.umm.edu/altmed/

    Sloan-Kettering's Cancer Center - http://www.mskcc.org/cancer-care/integrative-medicine/about-herbs-botanicals-other-products

  • liefie
    liefie Member Posts: 2,440
    edited February 2013

    Dear Miranda, you just finished chemo which does brutal things to your body, and you have endured so much. Things will take time to go back to normal, and they will. You are exhausted, muscles are weak, you don't feel good about yourself, etc. etc. Tazzy gave you such excellent advice. Don't make O the purpose at all, but just concentrate on DH, why you love him, and enjoy the journey whether O or not. Forget about O. Just relax, and it will come in time. Enjoy Valentine's day!

  • kjiberty
    kjiberty Member Posts: 1,385
    edited February 2013

    Miranda:  Slight burn toward the very end.  Start prepping your skin NOW!  They gave me Miaderm.  Ask what they recommend.  I bought it, and then they gave it to me.  Great stuff. Also, aquafor mixed with olive oil.  Have Fruit of the Earth Aloe (can be purchased at Wal-Mart) on hand.  Prep, prep, prep, and keep lubricating.

  • Tazzy
    Tazzy Member Posts: 2,546
    edited February 2013

    Miranda:  when you think you have lubed enough, lube more. 

    Hugs ladies xx

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2013

    Was looking for quotes at the end of the day for some positive inspiration... Found something that made me think of all of you - the home we've created and the family we've built on this site:

    "Hope is like a road in the country. There never was a road; but, when many people walk together, the road comes into existence." ~ From the National Organization for Rare Disorders, Inc.

  • Aruba
    Aruba Member Posts: 543
    edited February 2013

    Miranda, yes keep lubing alot even after done!  And air dry often if possible. 

    The lyrics to this one fit my sisters here well...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTg1n95--KE&feature=player_embedded 

  • lisa2012
    lisa2012 Member Posts: 652
    edited February 2013

    Mmm,congrats to you, Miranda. It's a good milestone to reach.I did not have radiation (the one benefit of a BMX) but I bet others can chime in with ideas.

  • mlinthicum
    mlinthicum Member Posts: 15
    edited February 2013

    I am supposed to start radiation treatments tomorrow and I'm so scaredFrown of the side effects. I've put off for 6 months but because I'm on Arimedex they said that everything was held in check. Makes me wonder if I even need them, if the Arimedex starved any cells left behind.

  • Scottiee1
    Scottiee1 Member Posts: 2,329
    edited February 2013

    mlinthicum....oh please don't be afraid of radiation treatments...the worst part is the daily trek there and the time it takes to set you up. I'm not sure as to what SE you are referring to.....most of us end up with no SE and some of us, like myself went through a bad week after finishing .....saline solutions and cortisone took care of that. My suggestion is that you sit down with your RO and express your fears and take it from there.....Good luck with your decision.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2013

    mlinthicum - i'm 9 treatments in so far and having no problems. Like scottie said - it's just an annoyance to go there and back every day. Kind of eats into your schedule a bit. But I feel perfectly fine. Just slather on whatever creams they tell you to use to help protect your skin. We're all here for you!

  • stride
    stride Member Posts: 470
    edited February 2013

    Mlinthicum, I have had 25 of 33 treatments. You can find some horror stories on these boards about skin problems from rads, but for most of us this really is just like a sunburn. The fatigue can be a problem, and I' m really struggling with it. But a nurse told me it is usually easier for people who have not had chemo. The rads will probably just be a little blip in your life. Have the radiation. You had a lumpectomy, and it will lower your chances of recurrence.

  • mlinthicum
    mlinthicum Member Posts: 15
    edited February 2013

    I'm really worried about the fatigue as I don't have much energy anyway. I live by myself with two kitties, work full time, and have a mother in assisted living that I take care of (meaning even handling her finances, taxes, groceries, clothing etc). How did anyone handle working full time and having to apply gel four times a day? Also, will I be so tired that I can't even go to the store for groceries?

  • mlinthicum
    mlinthicum Member Posts: 15
    edited February 2013

    Scottiee1, What do you mean about saline solutions and cortisone?

  • stride
    stride Member Posts: 470
    edited February 2013

    This will be easier than you are thinking. You will be able to get groceries. You may have to cut back on activities that are not mission critical. You may not be at your best, so now is not the time to take on new projects. But bear in mind not everyone has problems with fatigue. But you will be fine living alone. Can you get help with your mom just to make it easier on yourself? Putting lotion on at work is easy. I just go into a bathroom stall, take off my shirt and slather it on.

  • mlinthicum
    mlinthicum Member Posts: 15
    edited February 2013

    Did you wear a bra at work or was that too irritating?

  • lostinmo
    lostinmo Member Posts: 922
    edited February 2013

    mlinthicum, I had 6 weeks of rads and way more energy doing them than I did during chemo. I did get tired but it was more like I just needed to go to bed earlier than normal.

  • stride
    stride Member Posts: 470
    edited February 2013

    Mlinthicum, you should be able to wear a bra, and you can wear a t-shirt under it if that helps. But check with your doc or a nurse at your radiation office and see what they say.

  • mlinthicum
    mlinthicum Member Posts: 15
    edited February 2013

    Stride,Didn't even think about wearing a t-shirt underneath. Reminds me of being told many years ago to wear two pairs of socks to keep from getting blisters on your heels when wearing new tennis shoes. I appreciate all you help Stride. I will be going in a few hours for my so called practice run. I have worked myself into a tizzy and couldn't even go into work this morning since I felt so sick to my stomach.

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