I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange
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Didn't Lindasa say she was going away for a few days?
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So let me get this straight, riding around on a bicycle and visiting people who have responded to ads for their bibles somehow equates to the same sacrifices our service men and women make??
Pardon my ignorance, I would guess they engage in other activities but that's the only one I'm familiar with. -
I had a couple of mormon boys come to my house in their suits and I told them I was too busy painting. They offered to help me paint. That was nice, but I turned them down knowing their true mission was to convert me. I wasn't sure they could handle what I would tell them. Ok, so the harshest thing they might endure is a lecture from the likes of me!
Back during the Vietnam Era, they did have CO status, but I don't think a 2 year LDS mission puts one in that category - the military directs the voluntary non-combat service, but otherwise, how did Mitt avoid getting drafted? Student deferments were gone by 1967, but maybe he had children by then?
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Chickadee, I love your explanation. Today I was called a fake Jim Morrison! HAHAHA! WTH does THAT mean. I had to give my head a good shake after reading that. Still wondering if they think my IP address is in Africa!!!!!!!!!!! heheheheheehe!
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Im sure Mitts dad had friends in high places just like Dubya.
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Kam ... I think you're terrific!
I had DCIS, LCIS and IDC in my tumor. I don't know if the IDC component started from the DCIS or LCIS.
I don't understand the numbers. I know they are different for ER+ and ER- tumors. I belong to a small group on the internet of 12 ladies. Of that 12, one had mets and died a year ago, another has mets now and a third had a recurrence of DCIS.
Do these numbers match up with the statistics? Some of us were Stage I, II and III and some had chemo and mastectomies and others no chemo and lumpectomies.
My numbers for recurrence were great ... as long as I took the antihormonal ... which I quit taking after a couple of weeks. So how does that figure in? A medical researcher told me that as ER+ after the five-year mark my recurrence number starts to get worse.
Bren
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There is no way a two-year mission equates to serving in the military. I would think Mrs. Romney would be embarrassed to even say that.
PS ... Blue ... Linda is on vacation.
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blue ... I knew you had already checked but even Google failed to make me understand what that means. Hopefully it means as close to nothing as possible and somebody will explain it to you soon. (((hugs)))
Ann Romney never answered the question. Do Mormons get an exemption from military service in time of war or otherwise because their religion is against war? Did going on missions for the Mormon church get you a deferment during Vietnam? and if so why? Most mainstream churches send people on missions to other countries and have never claimed any such thing. Sounds like deflection of the question to me.
Betty Ford was a treasure and is one of the women I admire the most.
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Notself - you are "rated" according to the more serious cancer, which would be IDC. Most of us have some admixture or other.
Also wondering about Lindasa....
Chickadee - you deserve an honorary MD for the dx you just gave Blue!~
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Yes, she did say she was going away. Thanks Sandy. My photograpic memory ran out of film a while back. How are you doing?
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Yes, Sandy, how are you?
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Did Mitt Romney ‘Long’ To Serve In Vietnam?
By Ben Armbruster on Jun 5, 2012 at 3:10 pm
Mitt Romney regularly prides himself as a champion of the military and the nation’s veterans (despite the fact that has offered little to no details about how he would address veterans issues). Romney recently praised the sacrifice “of the great men and women of every generation who serve in our armed services.” But in a new story examining Romney’s own military record, the AP notes that “it is a sacrifice the Republican presidential candidate did not make.”During the height of the Vietnam War, Romney avoided military service by seeking and receiving four military draft deferments, some for university study and others for serving as a “minister of religion” in France.
But during his political career, Romney has flip-flopped on whether he actually wanted to serve in Vietnam. In 2007, Romney — a supporter of the war in Vietnam during the late-1960s — said he had wished he had served:
“I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there, and in some ways it was frustrating not to feel like I was there as part of the troops that were fighting in Vietnam.”
But the AP notes that this isn’t what Romney said back in 1994 during his campaign to represent Massachusetts in the U.S. Senate:
But the frustration he recalled in 2007 does not match a sentiment he shared as a Massachusetts Senate candidate in 1994, when he told The Boston Herald, “I was not planning on signing up for the military.”
“It was not my desire to go off and serve in Vietnam, but nor did I take any actions to remove myself from the pool of young men who were eligible for the draft,” Romney told the newspaper.
But in seeking 4 deferments, Romney did in fact take actions to remove himself from the draft. In 1970, Romney eventually became eligible but by that point, the United States had begun reducing the number of troops in Vietnam and as the AP reports, “Romney’s relatively high lottery number — 300 out of 365 — was not called.”
While Romney’s lack of military service record raises questions (President Obama also did not serve in the military but was not of draft-age at the time of the Vietnam War), a recent Gallup poll found that veterans favor Romney over Obama 58 percent to 34 percent.
“Greatness in a people, I believe, is measured by the extent to which they will give themselves to something bigger than themselves,” Romney said in a Memorial Day speech last week in San Diego.
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Popped in earlier today, but am just now getting caught up on all the reading. Great posts! I sooo enjoy reading this thread.
It's going to be close!!!! (Glad to hear the numbers don't reflect the Tuesday debate)
"Gallup's margin is large among recent polls; seven other national polls released in the last two days show margins varying from +3 Obama to +4 Romney.
The Gallup poll showed Romney at 50-46 on Tuesday and 49-47 on Monday.
The numbers do not reflect Tuesday night's debate, in which many observers concluded that Obama had a stronger performance than Romney, if only slightly."
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It's sad how accustomed we have become to seeing the men who lead or would lead us be draft dodgers - beginning with Clinton, then almost Bush and definitely Cheney. It really does set a bad example. And Ann Romney's explanation is about as satisfactory as the one regarding her husband's decision not to disclose most tax returns.
So Romney thinks one set of rules apply to everyone else and another to him. Everyone else would have to produce tax returns onb demand - heck, some emplyers even do credit checks. But we can't do one on him. And Romney gets to decide what it is to serve his country in time of war. I bet he would be the first to express outrage over draft-dodging if the draft were reinstated.
I can't stress how damaging it would be to the nation's psyche to elect someone who has a sense of entitlement - a sense, by the way, that most TRUE aristocrats who love their country would NEVER claim. FDR and JFK wouold be shocked.
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Well, this isn't draft dodging, but came in my in-box while I was gone to work and got me slightly p-o-ed again: I don't know what is on the left side of his chest, but it is not a heart and I think he is in sore need of a conscience re-vamp as well. What a sad commentary on a fellow human being.
“I hope you make it very clear to your employees what you believe is in the best interest of your enterprise and therefore their job and their future in the upcoming elections,” Romney told members of the ostensibly nonpartisanNational Federation of Independent Business, ananti-union groupwhose endorsements tend to align with Republicans.
“And whether you agree with me or you agree with President Obama, or whatever your political view, I hope — I hope you pass those along to your employees,” he added. “Nothing illegal about you talking to your employees about what you believe is best for the business, because I think that will figure into their election decision, their voting decision and of course doing that with your family and your kids as well.”
Romney’s comment,first reported by Mike Elk atIn These Times, comes amid several high-profile examples of employers forcing workers to attend political events, and others who’ve warned of potential consequences if their workers don’t vote a certain way.
In one such dust-up that’s resulted in a criminal complaint to the Federal Election Commission, coal miners working for Murray Energy in Ohiosaid earlier this yearthey feared they would be fired if they didn’t give money to a pro-Romney super PAC run by the company and attend a Romney event, helping to create an image that’s since been reused in a pro-Romney advertisement.
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More chickenhawks.
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The reason more Military support Romney is two fold. First, for many years it was Southerners who joined the military to learn skills and some to get college paid for. Second, Rush Limbaugh's radio program is sent overseas. Since Armed Forces Radio and Television rebroadcast programs based on popularity, there are few liberal programs. One reason re-enforces the other.
Vietnam era Vets used to support the Republicans, but that has changed since there have been repeated Republican attacks on the funding of Veterans Hospitals.
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Has anyone checked out Romney's immediate neighbours? Any apparently single women with kids? I am a big fan of "Big Love" and remember Bill had 2 female neighbours with kids who were his other wives. Is anyone worried about having a president who is from such a strong cultist type religion?
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Kam, this thread moved right along while I took the bus home!
To answer your question, there is no way of knowing whether your IDC would have been DCIS had it been identified earlier. DCIS is confusing to everyone, and there are many theories about it.
They don't know whether my second round with DCIS was a new primary or a recurrence. It was in the same breast and around the same place, but not exactly (it wasn't in the scar tissue from the first lumpectomy and it wasn't next to it, but it was in the vicinity (they were honking BIG boobs!). In the end, it didn't really matter, because both boobs were going.
I was treated very aggressively the first time - a lumpectomy, a re-excision for a technically dirty margin (it wasn't really dirty since the surgeon took two pieces and the tiny spot of cancer that was left after the stereotactic bx was on the inside cut edge of the second piece), 28 regular and 8 boosts of radiation at a pretty high dose (the rad onc said to the tech modeling me "Turn it up another notch -- that is an aggressive cancer") and tamoxifen. All failed me, although I can't say that tamox failed me completely -- 50% of the time, DCIS returns as invasive and I landed on the good side of the 50%, so I am unwilling to say tamox failed completely. There is so much we don't know.
I typed a long cautionary tale about my late sister ignoring a lump, but decidd I don't need to repeat it here. We all know not to ignore these things. I miss her every day.
Kam, it is impossible to know what it might have been had they found it earlier. They found it and we are grateful. XOXO to you.
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Re: Romney avoiding service in Vietnam.....let's be fair, ladies, Obama didn't serve either
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Blue - thanks for calling me home. I think this is it!
In fact, the name lassie is my choice because that is what my Scottish grandpa called me.It is a Scottish term for girls, just as laddie is the term for boys. It has nothing whatever to do with the dog in the movies although people who choose movies rather than real life to guide them might think so.
My grandpa was one of the small number of people who served in the army through two world wars. He started the WW1 as a private, lost three of his brothers there and finished WW2 as a very senior officer. In between he was an academic and a reserve army person. He remembered women getting the vote and was indignant that it hadn't happened sooner, fairly impressive considering he was born in 1890. I won't guess what he would say about a presidential candidate who wants to reverse rights women have deserved and won in the last century, but it would not be favourable.
I chose the name lassie because of grandpa and won't change it because of . . . well, because I won't.
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Rofl!!
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Suzie, I don't know much about the Mormom religion. We have Menonites here who mind their own business and don't use any technology. Then, we have Jehovah's Witness which I believe closely resembles the Mormom Religion. They go on whatchumicallits too and come door to door to recruit. The only other thing I know about JW is they will not accept blood transfusions even in grave situations.
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Sandy, how are you? I just saw your post slipped in there! You doing OK?
Re: military service. My father served in WW II and my older brother in Vietnam in the First Infantry. My brother died in 2006 at age 58 from lung cancer. Thr VA believed it was from Agent Orange exposure.
ETA: Pushed Send too soon. Ann Romney's self-serving whine about her husband "serving" like soldiers makes me want to puke. Tell that to the tens of thousands of veterans who were shot, traumatized, blown up, poisoned and otherwise brutalized by war. I don't want to hear it.
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Suzie, to answer you as an American voter, I am an atheist so I think it's all mumbo jumbo - lol! I don't care what religion a president is from, so long as he respects the separation of church and state. Romney, despite his faults, strikes me as someone who would do that. Bush bothered me because he wanted to religionize everything - he was a right wing fanatic.
So as far as religion goes I don't care one way or the other about the Romneys. I think they are a lovely family -Mitt and Ann have created something very nice- but so are the Obamas. I have no quarrel on that side. I generally don't pay attention to a candidate's familial issues. Both of the candidates have nice families.
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Good for you Lassie. Some goats don't like that name, if you know what I mean,
I will be changing my name back later even though I am a trouble maker.
P.S. Ray said this to me. hahahahahahaha!
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Suzieq, I doubt Romney has any "immediate neighbors"
And it also depends which house you refer to.....
(Full disclosure, Mitt no longer owns the chalet, but....)
"Almost all of the Romneys’ landholdings involve vacation homes: besides a two-bedroom townhouse in Belmont, Mass. (the family sold the family manse after the kids moved out—just like normal people!), there’s also a New Hampshire lake house purchased for $3 million in 1997 and estimated to be worth $10 million now, the infamous La Jolla beach house and a cabin on Lake Huron in the gated beach community of Beach O’ Pines that was purchased for $31,900 in 1950 by the Romney patriarch."
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Hey...I think it was me. I went to serve my country in 1964...about a yr. after I graduated when I became old enough. I guess I took Romney's place. I'm trying to have nice feelings about the Romneys but they are just too delusional about some things and do not belong any where near the White House.
On another note, if you can stand just one more thing:
GALLUP GULP
Undoubtedly, there are some liberals panicking over the latest Gallup tracking poll, which shows Mitt Romney with a seven-point lead over President Obama, 51 percent to 44 percent.
Before confining themselves to despair, however, liberals should remember a few things:
First, individual polls aren’t accurate measures of the state of the race. As more and more polls are released—and there is more and more noise—it’s important to pay attention to averages. Even something as crude as the Real Clear Politics average—which brings together the most recent polls—is useful in reducing the influence of outliers.
Second, Gallup is a well-regarded survey outfit, but that doesn’t mean its polls are perfect. This isn’t to say that Gallup is “skewed,” but rather that Gallup has had erratic results over the last few election cycles. In 2010, for example, GallupshowedRepublicans leading on the generic ballot by 15 points; the actual margin was 6.8 points. Similar disparities were seen in the 2008, 2004, and 2000 elections.
Finally, if Romney were winning by seven points, the race would looka lotdifferent than it does at the moment. A world in which Romney holds a lead that large is one in which he (probably) holds leads in Florida, Virginia, Colorado, Iowa, New Hampshire, and Ohio—and is on the verge of winning in states like Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.
As it stands, Obamastill leadsin each of those states, with the exception of Florida, which is a toss-up. Indeed, every national tracking poll other than Gallup shows atied race.
So liberals need not panic—yet. It’s possible that the Gallup poll reflects where the race is going. In which case, we’ll see Obama collapse nationwide. If that doesn’t happen—and this is an outlier—we should see the president develop a lead. Eventually, national and state polls have to align, and it'll happen soon.
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Meh. I don't care how many houses he has or doesn't have. A man can be wealthy and still understand how most Americans live, and empathize with those in economic trouble. Romney is not one of those wealthy people. How do I know this? His behind closed doors, super secret wealthy donor dinner remarks about the 47%. His remarks, to put it in mirror-speak, are very telling and chilling, with a side of vitriol.
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