I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange

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  • CLC
    CLC Member Posts: 1,531
    edited September 2012
  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited September 2012

    Thanks CLC. Someday, sigh, I may learn how to post links here.

  • CLC
    CLC Member Posts: 1,531
    edited September 2012
    Yorkie...it is easy.  Copy the url (http://www....etc) (by highlighting it, then right clicking, then "copy").  Then paste it into your post (right click, "paste")...  If you scroll over a link itself, right click, hit "copy shortcut" and then paste it into your post.
  • Wabbit
    Wabbit Member Posts: 1,592
    edited September 2012

    Social Security actually does a lot for all ages.

    Young people whose parents are helping them through college ... without SS a lot more of your parent's money would have to go to saving for their retirement ... and there would be less to help you get started in life.  Social Security also helps make it possible for older workers to retire and opens up job opportunities for your generation. 

    Middle aged people ... imagine your parents and grandparents without Social Security and Medicare.  How much of their living expenses and medical bills would you be paying?  Or could you just let them be homeless, starve and die?

    What if you become disabled in what should be your prime earning years?  SS gives you disability insurance that you would otherwise have to pay for yourself or do without.   

    Just some things to think about before you begrudge that deduction from your paycheck.     

  • River_Rat
    River_Rat Member Posts: 1,724
    edited September 2012

    Thanks for the link, I'm working tonight and I wasn't sure where to look for it - anyway, I'm glad I had the chance to watch that, just glad I have tissues at hand.

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited September 2012
     OMG, someone posted this (below) and doesn't even get the irony of it!  September 18, 2012Mitt Romney receives the vote support of about a third of those whose household incomes are less than $24,000 a year and of more than four in 10 seniors with low incomes -- all groups who are among the least likely to pay income taxes.
  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited September 2012

    Yes, RR. What incredible grace, stoicism and profundity, all at the same time.

  • Wabbit
    Wabbit Member Posts: 1,592
    edited September 2012

    Wonderful video yorkiemom ... thanks for making sure we got to see it. 

    Kam ... obviously those people feel like freeloaders for not paying any income taxes and wish to begin doing so.  I hope they can still afford shelter and groceries too. 

  • CLC
    CLC Member Posts: 1,531
    edited September 2012

    I find it mind-boggling that a great number of people vote for the Republicans and are precisely in the group that stand to gain the most from the Democrats' policy.  I know it is misinformation...intentional leading astray by corporately controlled media.  But it is still mind-boggling.

  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited September 2012

    Thanks for the links ladies.  One extremely funny.  The other extremely moving.  

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited September 2012

    WR- I don't know what they feel, but my bet is they are voting against their own interest and don't realize it. I assume you were speaking on the poster' thoughts Sealed of this factoid they posted elsewhere.

    My neighbor's senior citizen mother is a Faux News watcher.  She is also a terrible racist, incidentally.  When Ryan was messing with Medicare last spring she had a glimmer, albeit slight, that these Republicans might negatively affect her healthcare (while still calling Obama a socialist, lol).  I have not spoken with her since, to know if she still gets it (sort of), but this Cognitive Dissonance is a hard nut to crack. 

  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited September 2012

    WR, let's not forget that Paul Ryan went to college using the money he collected from Social Security after his father died when Ryan was 16. Once again, it is OK if THEY benefit from an "entitlement" program. I wonder if he paid income taxes on his salary when he drove the Oscar weinermobile?



    I have to look at the videos tomorrow on the desktop. I did see Clint Eastwood's remark elsewhere, though. Pretty hilarious!



    Re: the NDAA ... I saw a very interesting analysis of how the President arranged things for it to be possibly declared unconstitutional. Not sure that it wasn't a stretch, but it was a very interesting hypothesis and analysis of a series of interesting coincidences. I will see if I can find it and post.

  • Wabbit
    Wabbit Member Posts: 1,592
    edited September 2012

    Kam ... I was speaking with sarcasm ... they don't have a clue that they are about to be thrown under the bus.  And I hope that didn't come from elsewhere on this board because I personally do not wish to have those conversations infecting this thread in any way.

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited September 2012

    Yes - got the sarcasm.  It was a pro-Myth man posting this factoid.  The irony is mind blowing.

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited September 2012

    Thanks Kam! I've been experimenting and I think I've got it, by George!

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited September 2012

    NO, HE DID NOT JUST SAY THIS!

    "In response to Cavuto, Romney agreed that members of the military and seniors are among the Americans who do not pay federal income taxes, but then said, "I do believe we should have enough jobs and enough take-home pay to allow people to pay taxes ... I think people would like to be paying taxes."

    Romney's own 2010 federal filing revealed that because of his investment income, he had paid a much lower tax rate than middle-class earners -- 13.9 percent. (He has said he will release his 2011 return this year, but has refused to release any other years' filings.)

    It is true that the number of people not paying federal income taxes has risen as a result of the economic recession from about 40 percent to 47 percent.

    Although many seniors lack significant income, aren't subject to federal income tax, and therefore fall into Romney's "victims" class, he told Cavuto, "I'm getting a lot of support from seniors" and "a lot of seniors pay income tax and don't like that Medicare got cut by $716 billion." (In fact, the Obama health care law cut the rate of growth in future Medicare spending, but for providers, not beneficiaries.)"

    ....oh, but he did! Reality is always stranger than fiction.

    For more fantasy, click here:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/18/mitt-romney-fox-interview_n_1894533.html

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited September 2012

    I'm standing on the left.  Going back to watch R. Maddow and Mr. Ed.

    Jackie

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited September 2012

    Athena, no, no, Europe is socialist. Especially Scandinavia, those are socialist countries and can therefore not be compared to the US ;) It may be the proximity to the Baltic and therefore the USSR, or else they get Scandi-land confused with Estonia et al, I really don't know.

    Never mind that both Sweden and Denmark have had mostly conservative governments for several years now, and that the former Danish PM, Fogh Rasmussen, was an ardent participant in the "Coalition of the Willing." He even managed to finagle himself NATO chief out of his willingness.

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited September 2012

    Morning Momine (over in freedom fightin' Yankee-land:-) )

    I don't dislike Peggy Noonan - her columns are often thoughtful. But this one, asking for an "intervention" for Romney's campaign, is a bit of wishful thinking. Mr. No Empathy is not sorry, is clueless and Ryan remains defiant. Still, here is Noonan:

    "What should Mitt Romney do now? He should peer deep into the abyss. He should look straight into the heart of darkness where lies a Republican defeat in a year the Republican presidential candidate almost couldn't lose. He should imagine what it will mean for the country, for a great political philosophy, conservatism, for his party and, last, for himself. He must look down unblinkingly.

    And then he needs to snap out of it, and move.

    He has got seven weeks. He's just had two big flubs. On the Mideast he seemed like a political opportunist, not big and wise but small and tinny. It mattered because the crisis was one of those moments when people look at you and imagine you as president.

    Then his comments released last night and made months ago at the private fundraiser in Boca Raton, Fla. Mr. Romney has relearned what four years ago Sen. Barack Obama learned: There's no such thing as private when you're a candidate with a mic. There's someone who doesn't like you in that audience. There's someone with a cellphone. Mr. Obama's clinger comments became famous in 2008 because when people heard what he'd said, they thought, "That's the real him, that's him when he's talking to his friends."

    * * *

    And so a quick denunciation of what Mr. Romney said, followed by some ideas.

    The central problem revealed by the tape is Romney's theory of the 2012 election. It is that a high percentage of the electorate receives government checks and therefore won't vote for him, another high percentage is supplying the tax revenues and will vote for him, and almost half the people don't pay taxes and presumably won't vote for him.

    My goodness, that's a lot of people who won't vote for you. You wonder how he gets up in the morning."

    More: http://blogs.wsj.com/peggynoonan/2012/09/18/time-for-an-intervention/

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited September 2012

    Words from a wise old 82 year old man, my dad, "No one wants Romney, a shemonito, as President!

    Shemonito = Idjut

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited September 2012

    More from Noonan - I like her column the more I read it:

    "You know what Romney sounded like? Like a kid new to politics who thinks he got the inside lowdown on how it works from some operative. But those old operatives, they never know how it works. They knew how it worked for one cycle back in the day.

    They're jockeys who rode Seabiscuit and thought they won a race."

    I think she nails it - Romney was thinking he was oh-so strategic and knowledgeable about how the game is played, when in reality he is clueless about that, too. Even Reagan and W. tried to get votes from all ages and interests - they and their tacticians actually got people to vote against their own interests, which really is savvy - if tragic.

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited September 2012

    On another board I frequent some think Romney has Asperger's Syndrome. I doubt he'd fully meet the criteria, but he does have some of the characteristics, including social awkwardness and seeming lack of empathy. I think Peggy has got good ideas for Republicans and is extremely eloquent, but she's dealing with a flawed candidate (man?). Not much you can do about that. He looks into the abyss and scratches his head.

    Lol, Blue, about you dad! 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited September 2012

    Oooohhh....I'm in love with Blue's dad.

  • 208sandy
    208sandy Member Posts: 2,610
    edited September 2012

    Sociopathic, yes - Aspberger's, no.

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited September 2012

    Athena and Blue, I felt so bad for my poor husband this morning as he was reading the news and said with sadness that he couldn't see Romney winning, given what a moron he is.

    By the way, Romney's dad was born in a Mormon colony in Mexico. Apparently a lot of people in those colonies were there beacuse they were polygamists. I don't really care, but there is some sort of irony there, given the GOP platform on gay marriage. 

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited September 2012

    I will say potentially sociopathic, since he is not rule-breaking or particularly impulsive. He lacks something that frequently goes with a variety of neurodevelopmental conditions, but that doesn't define them. He is what clinicians might call "callous-unemotional."

    He may still not understand what all the "fuss" over his dog was about.

    And he was born this way. Circumstances have nothing to do with it.

  • Enjoyful
    Enjoyful Member Posts: 3,591
    edited September 2012

    Marriage is between one man and one woman, and one woman, and one woman, and one woman.....

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited September 2012

    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-september-18-2012/the-millionaire-gaffemaker

    Anyone else love Jon Stewart?  get ready to be amazed at how good he is, if you aren't, yet.

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited September 2012

    I'm going for Blue's dad as well.  I heard the Peggy Noonan piece ( more snippet on Rachel Madow ) and glad to see more of what she had to say here.  Sometimes difficult to define Romney with the terrible rigidity because you just can't see the factors that got it there.  Hard to imagine one speaking with such candor about many things ( like the Mexican family connection ) as though no one would question what brought it on.  What an enigma for the Republican party.....I personally thought with the previous years they would have learned and not let this happen again but they were much farther gone ( guess I thought it was more just my odd family ) than I recognized.  Romney really presents as anti-social in the don't care...devil may care department. 

    Jackie

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited September 2012

    jackie just reminded me, WHY WAS Willard's family living in Mexico?????  Seriously, I never thought to ask...

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