I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange

There is undoubtedly that. I am not without compassion for her.

Blue I had meant to get on here and say about the same as Sunflower about MJ.  Also love your signature line. 

I haven't been on "those" other threads/forums so am fairly clueless about the comments there.  I am just as definite in what I believe as anyone, but I remind myself all the time.......this is my reality -- it may be apropos to no one else either all or in part.  Those who could come into agreement with any of it will get there sooner or later.  No need to beg or cajole or otherwise cause rancor.  Having said that --  I don't just walk away all of the time, but try to most of the time.  So, I'm not too good, or maybe in part, I don't have the instinct to cut to the chase and find the points that would even the field.  (Translated....not clever or smart enough ).

Jackie

Meanwhile, another maniac with a gun has run amok, this time in NYC. But will either convention address reasonable gun control, such as, say, banning assault weapons? Answer is a resounding nooooooo.

Morning everyone,

Is anyhone a fan of Escher? His work seems so prescient somehow. It is about how one is part of something and not at the same time, and the perils of both overidentification and under-judgement....

notself...thanks for the Gene Kelly videos.  Gene Kelly was awesome.  Tap dancing on wheels...  Well, that's just crazy talk...  What an athlete...with grace...:)

On other matters, life is a balancing act sometimes...of doing what we believe is right and doing what we believe is right.

Be well, good or bad, to all of you great people here.

Sun - I am with you in a million ways when it comes to being tolerant of another's treatment decisions, and there is too much bullying of alties going on.

But this is a completely different issue. It is one of integrity and fairness, IMO. I have to echo what Blue says. This is meant to be a support forum for BC sufferers (and loved ones) and somehow it's the pretender getting defended by the moderators. If this were my forum I would ask that person to post somewhere else.

You can't just go on, say, a discussion group about IT for IT professionals and say you want to discuss cooking because you are charming.

The mods frequently prize no confrontation over fairness. That is a recipe for disaster and is what frequently leads to too much confrontation. This business about "if you don't like something go away" - thank GOD it doesn't happen in real life. Otherwise humanity would have made no progress. It is a passive way to live, for sure.

Before I completely become a lioness excel chart, though, I would like to refer the court to Rule of Conduct number one of the community rules and wonder out loud much how much significance it really has.

TCM was running Gene Kelly movies last night. 100th anniversary of his birth. He was a genius. And he could dance to.



Love that MJ video

I am saddened by the impensing retirement of Olympia Snowe. There are no moderates left anymore, but the party apparatus itself is what has driven them out.  The stars are Tea Partiers. The Arlen Specters, Richard Lugars and Snowes belong to a party that has ceased to exist. That's what Rove wanted and it's what he got.

ETA: I am reminded of Christine Todd Whitmen's book "It's My Party Too." Not anymore.

Hey all~

Off to Duck, NC for a last of the summer vacation...

Now the question is do I take the 10 books I have been wanting to read with me?

Remember, we have 4 young kids.

Have a good week everyone.

Ang, take your 2 favorite.  With kids, 10 would be a real challenge.

With voting, my impression......our lives have become so stressed and time so precious that our ability to participate at the entry level of the process has all but been eliminated and taken over by those paid to vet and choose who gets to run.  We're too busy to staff the polls, join committees, hand out leaflets or..........run for dog catcher.  PTA presidents now become city council members, then they jump to a county job, then they hunt for the state job or leapfrog to a congressional run.  They want nothing more than to be career pols and they will say or do anything that gets the voters who DO show up at the polls to vote for them. 

My DH and I, when we were union reps and members used to participate in all of that stuff, of course the union was a special interest group.  We drifted away when we couldn't stomach working the polls and re electing Jimmy Carter and wondered why the party didn't seek a different candidate.  How naive we were.  It was about keeping the labor department in their back pocket so no way would they back someone who they didn't think was a sure thing.......boy were they wrong. 

Then work got busy.  An 8 hour day wasn't enough, forced overtime was managements mantra.  Holidays off, are you kidding!  Everyone seems to be in the same boat.  Not enough time to breath and completely burned out.

Not the career pol though, he/she has nothing else to do.  The extremists, bless their little hearts, are still passionate about what they believe. 

We moderates have had the passion massaged out of our brains just like sex in a 50 year marriage.

On edit: And our kids, they are tuned out on their I electronics........me, me, me has been replaced by I, I, Iphone, Ipad, Ipod.  Politics, ick, let Mom and Dad fuss about that.

Oh Mary - my mother was the best kind of Christian there was and she was a liberal Democrat!  This seems like a very logical coupling.

Just got back from an up and back trip to Portland (>700 miles) for my pre-ops.  It was so beautiful up your way.  Could see Mt. Saint Helens and Mt Hood.  When I had my BMX, I was on the 13th floor with Mt Hood filling up my picture window (for about an hour...otherwise it was too cloudy in January!).  I love the Pacific Northwest, especially on a clear day.

The person needing help: Ah, that's another issue entirely. Can't disagree with you there Sun. I'll just say that the insanity defense does not justify prevarication. But "help" would certainly come in useful in humanitarian terms - and it's not something we here are BCO are equipped or able to provide.

Oh well.....

Another one for you: Henry Kissinger.

Gardengumby-the right's co-opting of the American flag after 911 really made me mad too! It was as if flying your flag, you were saying you agreed with the Republican party. I don't know how that happened. I have an American flag sweater, and I didn't wear it for years, until Nancy Pelosi became Speaker of the House, and I wore it the day Obama was elected.

I'm tired of having my religion co-opted. I'm tired of the empty flag waving, the posts I get on facebook condemning people who don't say the Pledge of Allegiance, the outrage that people get over a photoshopped picture of President Obama with the wrong hand over his heart while saying the Pledge.....I could go on and on and on.To me, it's all smoke and mirrors.

Mary 

one last thought regarding same poster.  She reminds me much of a person on another website I used to frequent.  She had the same apparent cognitive issues, spelling and grammar problems, etc.  Then one day, after she was fully accepted by one of the groups on that board, overnight the cognitive, spelling and grammar problems were all resolved.  It was astounding .