I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange

crazy4carrots

Letterman had a great line last night:  The fact that Hurricane Isaac is heading for Tampa is proof positive that God is a WOMAN!

pupmom

Linda, LOL! Best quote of the day! 

Anonymous

{{{{Lindasa}}}}  A friend tells a wonderful story of a priest being asked by a "skeptic" what was the thing he knew to be absolutely true about God: response of priest: "She's black."   Right up there with Letterman line!

Wabbit

I think the outcome of this next election is very much undecided at this point.  There is much going on behind the scenes to make it harder for some to vote and that is going to have an impact.  I believe the $$$ people feel this is their best chance for a complete takeover and the fact that some won't vote for a black man or any Democrat no matter what is their ace in the hole.  I have to admit to my cynical and practical thoughts are going to ways to protect my daughter in the event they win.  I find it all depressing truth to be told. 

In happier news ... I have an otter  sighting!   http://www.pawnation.com/2012/08/24/meet-nellie-the-talking-otter/#page=1

Maybe this will bring our otter out to play?

Anonymous

WR - agreed, very undecided.  This is the only "poll" I trust, and his commentary. http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/  Think the GOTV is going to be  important in those key states.

AND those of us in states ( Missouri, Mass) with key Senate seats up.

1Athena1

Oh, no. It's an Obama win. I'm not into making predictions or expressing certainties. This is the only one I've every had in years. Many reasons for it - the fact that I want it is NOT one of them.

I also believe that fears about money playing a role are overblown. It's not much of a money race when both sides are so well heeled. Very different stories for primary races, as well as congressional ones.

The last time I was so certain of something was that Bush would be re-elected , excuse me, elected, in 2004. I was so dead certain I still don't understand why I bothered to campaign for the other side. I had been certain of his re-election since about 2002.

ETA: I think that other thread should be renamed "The babysitting thread" - she's very sharp. Right on the ball in answering last night and today and in re-baiting her audience of kind-hearted, trusting women. I have a moral problem with it. Oh well, at least I've said it here and not there.

Anyone diagnosed with cancer should learn to have a healthy disrespect for statistics. Statistics are maths. It's the science which still eludes us.
Dx 3/2009, IDC, 3cm, Stage IIb, Grade 3, 3/8 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-

pupmom

Athena, I thought it was "off to the studio" yesterday, yet the posts keep pouring in, even though "the studio" has no internet access.

We worked so hard for Kerry, even had a house party. I was devastated when he lost. I'm still not convinced that W even won one presidential election. 

1Athena1

Yeah, Yorkie, how did that happen?

Must be some stage IV IBC spreading from the plumbing system of one location into that of the other, causing a connection.

I will be outraged as long as good people are victimized.

pupmom

Athena, second time around, I think it all went down in Ohio. The current SoS is still planning shenanigans there.

Yeah, plus throw in some violent shaking and voila, got the web!

I also feel that fakery, even if caused by delusion, disrespects us and our fallen sisters. It really is outrageous and demeaning. 

QuinnCat

Has anybody else noticed the irony of the slogan to be used next week "We Built this!?"  The last time I looked, the definition of "We" is more than one person.  And I assume the backstory is understood.  I kinda get a kick out of this.

Yorkie, as I recall, Kerry was sitting in a bar in Ohio, or referring to Ohio, election night, telling one of his campaign managers "they stole it."  Because of the strife of 2000, he wasn't going to push the issue.  They'll do it again, I fear.

gardengumby

Athena, I truly wish that I felt as you, that Obama will get re-elected, but I'm most worried.  The "voter fraud" machine is in full gear, as is the lying machine (though to be fair, the Dems do a measure of that as well.)  I wouldn't be AS worried, but for the difficulty some people may have voting in the important swing states.  Though you obviously are more accurate than I in predicting election results, as you could have knocked me over with a breath when GW was re-elected in 2004.  

pupmom

Kam, they will try. If the margin is really big they may not be able to steal it though. This whole voter ID movement is a blatant attempt to disenfranchise the poor and elderly. 

1Athena1

You know, speaking of 2004, despite what went on in Ohio, it was a while before I realized just what a bad candidate Kerry was. He was pusillanimous and unable to pull his weight. At least Bush had Rove to do all the work for him.

CLC

I am terrified that Romney could win.  Mind you, I am not in love with Obama.  I have been bitterly disappointed, particularly with his failures on the environment.  I want Hillary Clinton.  I wanted Hillary last time around, and I want her now.  But, alas, I am not getting what I want.  But you can be d#%^ed sure I don't want Romney...I hope predictions of his loss are fully accurate...  But, do I dare hope?

QuinnCat

Such a far cry from his Vietnam days.  Maybe money does make one soft.  I did go see him speak in Oregon and he came off very well in person.

QuinnCat

Yorkie...I was thinking more of the supression aspect.  I forgot, they still have their other ways.  They aren't enough and have to go this extra mile.  Their brand is in the tank now.

1Athena1

I think he was scared of the Bush campaign and of the contry's continued shift right-wards. Obama has enormous courage of conviction but also the sheer intellectual heft to counter criticism on policy grounds, Kerry just wasn't up to it. Bush only had to know how to say his name - Rive had succeeded in making expectations of his very low.

lassie11

It's mildy interesting watching the various talking heads on various news channels who use all sorts of polls and maps to show how the election is going to end.  I figure in a few months, right after the election, we will know for sure.

pupmom

Athena, on retrospect I agree with you about Kerry. Plus, his irritable and uninvolved wife didn't help. I think we would have had a better shot with Dean.

CLC, I was/am a Hillary supporter. Can't believe the amount of flak I got for that from my left friends. Obama has been a huge disappointment. I am very much into animal rights and environmental issues. He has bombed on both. But I won't do anything to help the Repub ticket to win. 

1Athena1

It says oodles about the shallowness our our media that Dean was politcally assassinated over one "woohoo." (Funny to write this, as I am someone who DETESTS that monkey-like yelp - but there was no reason to dismiss a true liberal over it and wind up with Mr. I'm-Not-Sure-What-to-Say. Kerry was so timid that he couldn't even oppose the Iraq war properly.

ananda8

The Dems were stupid with the Kerry run.  They tried to play it cute by just doing a recount in "selected" counties.  If they had requested a full Statewide recount in Florida, the Supreme Court wouldn't have gotten involved.  Kerry was a doof.

If Obama wants to win, he better start sending volunteers out to help people get picture ID's. Once people have ID's, they need to early vote.  Early votes are by paper ballot.  The electronic voting machines will be controlled by Repub governors. 

 The Dems could learn a lot from the Ron Paul crowd in organizing at the grass roots level.  Now Ron Paul is getting messed over by the so called Republicans.  Obama should be trying to get the Ron Paul people to vote for him in protest.  If he only got 5% of the RP crowd and got 95% to stay home, it might affect the vote in swing states.  The Dems have to get smart, organized and creative to win this thing.

That's it.  Off the soap box now.

CLC

I hear you, Yorkie, on the left's issues with Hillary.  Funny, because I am almost as left as you can get, without losing sight of reality (in my opinion of reality, anyway...lol).  I think Obama has sold out the left.  I believe Hillary would not have done so.  She was no innocent, and she could have compromised with the best/worst of them...but she would have drawn the line on many of the issues that Obama has given away.  I am horrified by our environmental/agribusiness activities in this country.  But it ain't like Romney is going to treat it BETTER...  sigh...

Sometimes it all looks so bleak.

1Athena1

I would have a hard time choosing between Hillary Clinton and Karl Rove. I've just given my opinion of her.

I think I'd choose Rove. At least you know where you are with him.

CLC

Well, Athena, you are not alone.  She wasn't picked...  And, fortunately, Obama carried it and is in the White House, rather than that OTHER choice... 

pupmom

CLC, the corporations have bought both parties. Until we take the money out of campaigns I don't think we'll see much improvement in our government. Now I just go with the lesser of two evils. Ugh.

Athena, WOW!  

CLC

Yorkie...I couldn't agree more...  My dh is disgusted with me and will vote Green.  I can't go there.

pupmom

My hubby says he will probably vote Green also. I can't forgive them for helping W steal the election in 2000.

CLC

Yorkie...you and I are of like minds...:)  Too bad there aren't several million more of us...in the swing states...

pupmom

So agree CLC! I'm in red Kansas so voting Dem is almost futile here, although Sebelius was our governor for 2 terms.

CLC

I am in NY...so voting Dem is almost futile here, too...for the opposite reason...but, as much as I agree with the Green platform, I cannot even remotely contribute to a possible Romney win.