The Fungal Theory
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SAS...AMEN to the pubmed argument articles. I came on this site, got completely freaked out by something I read on here, since it appeared in my path report. Well, 48 hours of dumpster diving through pubmed later...I found lots of refuting of the original study in those sidebar articles.
It basically lifted a heavy prognosis sentence off my shoulders, all in the way one small poorly controlled study was being reported and interpreted. There are so many studies out there, even pubmed doesn't always get it right! -
geewhiz------that's so true. The more EBR we have, the better chance of getting it right. tHE MORE REFUTING ARTICLES. THE MORE EVIDENCE WE HAVE.
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Eve, so glad your infections have cleared!! Gosh what a tough time you've had.
Sas and gee, I hate "studies" for that very reason. It seems more often than not, they leave us with "opinions" of those conducting or interpreting them. And you know what they say about opinions....
For every study, you'll find one refuting the one before it. Sometimes common sense wins out over "science" in my book.
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There are really sweet women, who are not only afflicted with cancer, but ms. I can't imagine having to deal with both. I came across info that I found interesting and wonder now if there is a connection between ms and fungal overgrowth. Not sure, but seems like there could be a link or connection.
Dr Roy Swank
Multiple Sclerosis
by Phillip Day
Excerpted from his new book, The ABC's of Disease
Dr Roy Swank, Professor of Neurology at the University of Oregon Medical School, has done much research into MS. He found that diets heavy in saturated fats are implicated in those exhibiting MS symptoms. The patient's ability to neutralise oxidation (free-radical components) in their body was also seen to be severely compromised. Swank proposed a diet for MS sufferers, which is remarkably similar to the Food For Thought and Anti-Candida regimens discussed in this book. Swank found that this diet retarded the disease process and reduced the number and severity of attacks.Also up for discussion is whether the chicken comes before the egg. Do food intolerances cause MS, or are food intolerances the result of an MS-compromised immune system? Do fungi provoke the immune system into destroying not only the fungi, but healthy myelin cells also, which may have a similar amino acid signature to the fungi?
Medicine uses immune-suppressing drugs in the belief that MS is the result of a dysfunctional immune system and therefore, by reducing the effectiveness of the immune system, one may retard the spread of the illness. This is what I term a 'scorched earth' policy, where the only cunning plan you have come up with to halt the advance of the enemy is to burn and destroy all the land in the path of his advance in the hope that you will starve him into submission. Not such a great strategy, in my humble opinion.
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http://campaignfortruth.com/Eclub/220903/multiplesclerosis.htm
Sorry...link to the above info
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Hydrogen Peroxide
Natural & Effective Anti-viral, Anti-bacterial & Anti-fungal
Written by a doctors wife...
1. Take one capful (the little white cap that comes with the bottle) and hold in your mouth for 10 minutes daily, then spit it out. (I do it when I bathe or shower.) No more canker sores and your teeth will be whiter without expensive pastes. Use it instead of mouthwash.
2. Let your toothbrushes soak in a cup of peroxide to keep them free of germs
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Interesting testimony. Like her, Deanna, I too dealt with my candida problem by changing my diet and anti-fungal drugs, my autoimmune numbers significantly dropped from 1100 to 45. In just one year time, and my naturalpath said my hashiminto would only worsen. The only change was the diet and taking fungal drugs.
My name is Deanna Benson, a 55 year-old widow. In 1991 I was diagnosed by a neurologist to have Multiple Sclerosis (MS). I had the classic symptoms which included numbness in my arms and legs, I was so numb front my waist down that I could not feel the sensation of urination. My right leg was weak and my right ankle dropped so I walked with a limp. I also had recurrent iritis in my eyes. I often stammered when I was on the phone. When I turned 49 and hit menopause, my problem became more pronounced, I was easily tired, my memory became much poorer, I experienced anxiety episodes and frequent headaches. I was also becoming more and more sluggish and constipated, my hormone replacement therapy (Provera) did not alleviate much of my menopausal symptoms and hot flashes were getting unmanageable. At that point I decided to consult with Colet Lahoz, RN, MS a licensed acupuncturist. I heard her speak at a workshop and was very impressed with her work and her perspective about healing. She combines acupuncture, herbal medicine and diet and had remarkable success in treating conditions like mine.
I consulted with her in May 1997, and as part of an intake interview I filled out the questionnaire to determine if I had a long standing, untreated condition called Candidiasis. She was able to pick up this possibility when I mentioned that I had severe sweet cravings but that every time I ate too much refined sugar, my symptoms became more pronounced, especially the fatigue. The fact that my symptoms all got magnified during damp, cloudy days also were indicative of candidiasis. I scored high on the Candida profile which indicated I was positive for systemic fungal infection. She explained that her research as well as other research done by other specialists such as Dr. A.V. Constantini (director of the WHO division on mycotoxins), has documented the link between mycotoxins (the toxins from fungi absorbed in the bloodstream) and the development of autoimmune diseases and even malignancies. Colet Lahoz claimed that she has observed this link in patients with diagnoses such as Lupus Erythematosus, Sjogrens Disease, Parkinson's Disease, and Rheumatoid Arthritis, and that putting them on the antifungal therapy reversed the autoimmune condition. I found this information very exciting and could not wait to get on the program.
The three-fold regimen I had to follow included a change in diet. She advised mc strongly to adhere to the diet strictly, especially the first three months, in order to get the best results. The diet I followed eliminated all refined sugars, even fruits for the first three months, alcoholic beverages, any food items containing yeast as an ingredient, coffee and dairy. I was allowed to have vegetables, grains, nuts, organic meat, eggs, seafood, and emphasized the importance of eating fresh foods, free from mold.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_244/ai_111271892/
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Eve, I was going to post what Dr David Holland and Doug Kaufmann say in their book The Fungus Link Vol II, about MS but it's rather lengthy but here's a link from the Multiple Schlerosis Resource Center in the UK. It says of course no one knows the cause but "Many if not all complementary practitioners would say there is definitely a link between Candida and MS."
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I have the book I mentioned above and didn't think I could type all of the what Dr Holland and Kauffman say about MS, however, I just found a link that has it all wriiten out!! (in case anyone wants to read it.)
http://www.campaignfortruth.com/Eclub/220903/multiplesclerosis1.htm
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Impositive--------Hi been absent for awhile--------I'll add another---wierd thought to the group-
I talked about Dad and juicing----well he was also into reflexology, chiropractic , enemas---his mom----Different story). Well even though i'm a nurse you know i believe in alternative and the old.
In my palmistry book, it gives associations of diseases or conditions by whats happening with the skin. In the last 12 years when something starts to happen on my hands , something major shows up with my body. The most recent is both long fingers have what the derm doc would say is eczema. The palmistry book says its associated with the pineal gland , but doesn't give the in depth description I want. So, further research says the pineal gland is associated with primarily insomnia. This has been a major issue for me for months since starting Aromasin.(Arimidex previously*femara) But it didn't start right away. I also didn't document when the long finger thing started. Bummer, I have derm doc med for the fingers , it controls it when I remember to use it. ------Which happens when the insomnia gets worse. The other thing when I went through BC and chemo etc is different parts of my hands particularly fingers and web spaces would become trouble . I cannot prove cause/ affect/early warning sign/ or response b/c I didn't know to look for it. All i can say is I only had trouble with eczema on the hands and then something bigger happened. In a do over I would have loved to try to document connection. Actually If you read this from bottom to top --------time sequence makes better sense.
Bottom line something starts to change eczema wise I'm going to the palmistry book first>research then go to the doc.
I know some people will look at this as crazyyyy, I don't give a care anymore.
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Dear Positive, good question. But Wellness has made an error. Interferon only has actions against viruses and cancer cells of a specific type.
Btw, I am a big proponent of alternative and integrative therapies which is what I used for my stage 1 triple negative bc (I could not do chemo or rads due to delays from secondary health issues but I was disinclined to use either in any case) yet I cannot get behind the fungal theory on cancer. Mostly because of the way Dr Simonici came to his conclusion, by limited observation that upon macro views, the cancer simpy looked like a fungus.
What's more, cancer cells can create their own acidic microenvironment, even in the most alkaline conditions. In fact, one study demonstrated that cancer cells were stimulated to become more acidic the more alkaline their extracellular conditions became.
Fungi, mold, mycotoxins, candida, are not interchangeable or biologically identical. Yet I notice the mixing of the terms. Further to this, I used Avemar, which is made from fermented wheat, as a therapy. While on it, my immune system balanced in an extremely favorable way. I also used mushrooms, a fungi, as an anti cancer therapy. How am I supposed to integrate the fungi theory if I have been successful in using fungi and yeasts as therapy? -
Evebarry, I wonder about the MS link too--but chronic vitamin D deficiency is implicated as well. I would ask whether developing MS is part of the spectrum resulting from either D deficiency or the inability of the body to properly metabolize vitamin D and put it to work. Vitamin D affects over 2000 metabolic systems which makes sense that an inability to manage fungi and other invasives and balance the immune response might result from chronic depletion. We have to be careful which associations we make when drawing conclusions. A very provocative theory none the less!
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Dear Joy, thanks for the link to the website for foods for breast cancer....brilliant!
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sas, that's a very interesting association regarding your skin and disease. My 27 year old DD has chronic dermatitis but only on her right hand, the left is fine. She just recently learned that she has gall stones and they want to remove her gall bladder. Her derm says it's something she is coming into contact with. ( I say. "Well you must be doing everything right handed then!" lol)
I wonder what your palmistry book might say about that?
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MS Bliss, Those are all very good points. I haven't read Dr. Simoncini's book but I have been to his website. He makes many more points regarding his theory besides "cancer is white". Have you read more about his theory or are you basing your opinion on just that one point? I think his general idea started when he observed that cancer looks "white" like fungus, therefore it could be Candida. Based on his hypothosis, he used baking soda in a terminally ill child (who had exhausted all his conventional treatments) and according to his reports, it worked. I do think Dr. Simoncini is on to something though it's not as simple as just Candida albicans. There are around 100,000 known species and they say possibly millions more unknown. His theory is something that definitely needs to be expanded on. Most great scientific exploration started with a simple idea which when further studied and developed, became a marvelous discovery.
Simoncini isn't the only doctor/person in history who give the theory merit. There have been many.....1999, Meinolf Karthaus, MD, discovered a fungal component to leukemia after 3 leukemia patients were given high doses of antifungal drugs and fully recovered from their cancers...1984 Drs Krough, Hald and Holmstrup published findings linking oral cancer with Candida albicans...Dr Virginia Livingston-Wheeler physician and cancer researcher along with Dr Irene Diller, researcher in the Dept of Chemotherapy at the Institute for Cancer Research of PA, revealed extensive scientific observation of (fungus-like) microorganisms in cancer tumors...1972 Oil magnate Doc Pennington was cured of end-stage colon cancer by taking griseofulvin, an antifungal drug... The list goes on.
Regarding cancer and acid...fungi also produce acid the same way the cancer does, by fermentation of glucose. If you google fungi and acid you'll see that in fact, fungi are so good at producing acid that we use them for mass production of acids in different industries. Different fungi produce different acids and it depends on their environment.
Your next point is "Fungi, mold, mycotoxins, candida, are not interchangeable or biologically identical. Yet I notice the mixing of the terms."
Mold, yeast, candida...these are all members of the Fungi Kingdom so indeed they can be interchangeable in this case. Yes, they take on different forms and functions but biologically, they are all eukaryotic (one celled) organisms. (Just like a human cell). Mycotoxins are fungal metabolites so they are not interchangeable in the same form or function as the fungi themselves. However, mycotoxins have been proven to cause cancer so in that way we use the term here to discuss it as a possible cause for our cancers.
In addressing your last paragraph....Fungi must compete so they produce mycotoxins as a means of survival. These toxins lower the immunity of their host or sometimes kill off their competitors such as bacteria or other fungi. Perhaps mushroom therapy is a wonderful example of the latter.
edited to add: I have read some of your posts and completely respect your views, MsBliss. The above is just my perspective for sake of discussion.
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Dear impositive, I think we are pretty much in agreement. That we need to turn the present model on it's head and question every conclusion. I have been very intrigued by the alkaline/acid model and believe there is something to it. It is certainly a healthier way to approach eating. I don't think that drinking alkaline water is a good thing though, except in the short term. As far as the fungal theory, I am not convinced yet. I need to read more on the subject. More to come!
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MsBless, impositive posted a lot of good information on the fungal theory throughout this tread. I'm not as read up on it as impositive, but from what I know about the fungus connection it makes sense.
edited out gut.
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Well that's always the best way to make important decisions, with your gut.
So much easier than having to do all that ... thinking.
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I'm not surprised you've come back with a sly remark LJ13-2. You've never had anything good to say to me. I have read a lot on this theory but I am not making claims (as a medical expert) to give the educated response as impositive, who has studied this quite extensively. But...from what I know, read, and my gut (and experience this year in battling with a fungal infection and cancer), I can see the cancer and fungus connection. That's all.
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Evebarry, don't let her get to you. Btw I'm still doing the probiotics and feel better weekly.
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Anybody notice that LJ132 hasn't posted anywhere on BCO since January...until her post above? What's up with that?
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MsBliss, said ..."we need to turn the present model on it's head and question every conclusion."
I am with you there!
I have a water ionizer and because of the cost of filters, I dont use it all the time but I have just ordered new filters. The subject is so controversial. Some say it makes no difference while others say it makes all the difference. Why do you think its not good long term?
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Awww, Impositive, did ya miss me?
I'm so touched.
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LJ13-2,
I've missed you - someone needs to shake things up a little.
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That's a negative LJ13-2. It kinda feels like an ugly fungal growth that had gone dormant but now is back. You know how it is....when you discover it again....you're sort of filled with dread? There's nothing more irritating. Fungi are parasites that feed off the dead and dying or who need a host to thrive. They spew toxins to try and paralyze their host. I dont get why these growths come back after being away so long, only to torture those who are already ill. What is its real job? Just to feed on those with low immunity? Why do they go dormant just to rear their ugly heads months later? Sooo many questions....If we all work together, we might get to the bottom of this dilemma.
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Impositive--------I take it that we have a problem person that has decided to post here.
LJ13-2--------if you are intending to cause trouble here you will be reported. The BCO mods/community has new rules about being offensive. You do not have the right to abuse anyone here. Discourse is welcome, troublemaking is not welcome. You make your choice.
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Another member (Sea Shelly) posted a link to a youtube video on another thread. It's David Wolfe giving a presentation at a conference on the chaga mushroom. He calls it the #1 cancer fighting herb known. I thought it would be good to bring it here to the fungal thread. I have heard about chaga through Dr Cass Ingram who is big on fungus and what it can do to us but David Wolfe's explanation is really informative.
We have kicked around the notion on this thread that if cancer is a fungus then maybe the reason medicinal mushrooms work is because fungi compete against one another. Apparently mushrooms are the king of the fungal kingdom and chaga is the king of the mushrooms!
The link is to part one of the presentation, you can then watch part two. Check them out...
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Last year I wrote a lot in this thread disputing the false idea that cancer tumors are fungal material. I neglected to add one piece of information. Fungal cells have a set number of chromosomes, some are haploig (half the number). For instance, candida has 8 chromosomes. Some can lose or gain some genetic material and have fuplicates of a chromosome or large charomosomes that did not reproduce correctly.
However, hHuman tumor cells normally have 23 paired chromosomes, with some small variations due to DNA damage. Researchers can identify the number of each chromosome based on its amino acid structure and shape.
In studies of chromosomes, there is no way in which a fungus could be confushed with a tumor cell.
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There is a lot of outside the box thoughts on breast cancer but just recently developement of a DNA probe designed to determine positives to a particular penicillium , even though the total number of test are low, the results currently show this sp. to be positive in Cancerous Breast Tissue but not in non Cancerous Breast tissue. No testing has been carried out to determine if that sp. is carrying a Mycovirus.
To say cancer maybe due to Fungal toxins or Fungi acting as a vector or carrying agent for say a Mycovirus may have little more credibility than saying that cancer is a fungus. One day I hope to be able to also wear pink.
Vince Neil(no not the mega star from that band)
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Hmm...using antifungal drugs to treat cancer...
This very interesting clinical trial by John Hopkins researchers found: antifungal medication Itraconazole, used to treat nail fungus, was shown to keep prostate cancer from worsening and delay the need for chemotherapy in a subsection of men with advanced disease.
THE STUDY: The clinical trial; found 11 of 24 (48.4 percent) men taking high doses of Itraconazole had stable or declining PSA levels lasting at least 24 weeks. Almost a third of men taking the high dose had PSA reductions of 30 percent or more. Generally metastatic prostate cancer patients receiving no treatment typically would worsen in eight to 12 weeks. Researchers also found that 12 of 14 men taking high doses of Itraconazole had lower levels of circulating tumor cells present in their blood after therapy, compared with their baseline levels.
Itraconazole, also known as Sporanox, appears to have some unique anticancer properties such as inhibiting tumor blood vessel growth and preventing cell tumor division.
While the drug Itraconazole may indeed have direct anticancer properties more research is required to confirm this.
Released: 06/02/2011 Antifungal Drug Delays Need for Chemo in Advanced Prostate Cancer
The oral antifungal drug itraconazole, most commonly used to treat nail fungus, may keep prostate cancer from worsening and delay the need for chemotherapy in men with advanced disease. Details of the finding, from a clinical trial led by Johns Hopkins experts, are scheduled for presentation on Saturday, June 4 at the 2011 American Society of Clinical Oncology (ASCO) annual meeting (abstract #4532).
http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/kimmel_cancer_center/news_events/news_releases.html
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