I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange

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  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited May 2011

    Little do they know!

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited May 2011

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/25/jared-loughner-tucson-shooting_n_866723.html

    Jared Loughner was found incompetent to stand trial today.  They will send him to a federal facility for four months to see if he can become competent to stand trial.  What a nightmare for Giffords and the families of all those that were killed in the shooting.

    hugs to all,

    Bren

    PS .. I'm so happy today .. no storms.  The next big one is forecast for this Friday!

  • BarbaraA
    BarbaraA Member Posts: 7,378
    edited May 2011

    Bren, that a-hole may be incompetant now but he knew exactly what he was doing and needs to be in jail for ever. Hugs for Friday. You can always PM me and I will talk you through it!! Moral support.

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited May 2011

    Thanks Barbara!  You're a peach!

    Bren

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited May 2011

    Oh Anne .. say it ain't so!

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited May 2011

    Two words...........Steven Tyler!

  • BarbaraA
    BarbaraA Member Posts: 7,378
    edited May 2011

    Blue, one word....yum.

  • BarbaraA
    BarbaraA Member Posts: 7,378
    edited May 2011

    Interesting day in the senate yesterday. The reason I am disgusted with Harry Reid is highlighted in bold text.From a news report link below for full text.

    Neither had the Clinton's message seeped in at the Democratically controlled Senate by Wednesday evening. Senate Democrats forced Republicans into an explicitly political vote on Ryan's budget plan. The result was a bit of a surprise. Rather than jumping away from the plan, Senate GOP mostly embraced the plan, with only five members voting against it.

    The four most liberal Republicans, Scott Brown of Massachusetts, Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe of Maine and Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, voted against the measure. And Rand Paul of Kentucky, now fully exploring his role as the skunk at the Senate garden party, also voted against the budget plan, but he said it was too wimpy.

    But even Paul's budget alternative did better than Obama's. Paul got six Republicans to join him in his plan, which makes Ryan's austerity proposal look like the New Deal. The slashing seven are: Paul, Tom Coburn of Oklahoma, Mike Lee and Orrin Hatch of Utah, Jim DeMint of South Carolina, David Vitter of Louisiana and, most interestingly, Senate Majority leader (and fellow Kentuckian) Mitch McConnell.

    No Democrats, though, cast any votes for any budget proposal - not even President Obama's proposal for 2012, which garnered zero votes.

    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid has maintained it is not necessary for Democrats to have any budget plan whatsoever, despite it having been more than two years since congressional Democrats put forward any annual spending plan.

    When Paul's budget can draw more support in a Democratic Senate than Obama's one begins to see what Clinton was warning about. Remember, even though Obama's budget got low marks from fiscal conservatives for punting on long-term debt drivers, the president still took heat on the left for being too aggressive on debt reduction.



    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/26/obama-dems-dont-listen-clinton-debt/#ixzz1NT4ePRdZ

  • River_Rat
    River_Rat Member Posts: 1,724
    edited May 2011

    Barbara, that may make you angry but it's the way that our government works.  Budget matters have to arise in the House, which is now in Republican hands.  So Reid could schedule a vote on the Ryan budget bill because it passed the House, but the Democratic Senate can't bring their own budget out.  There is a House Progressive group that has put out a budget, but if the House leadership won't bring it forward it can't be voted on.  If you want links to that one I have them somewhere but it's kind of useless to wade into it because Boehner isn't going to schedule a vote.

  • BarbaraA
    BarbaraA Member Posts: 7,378
    edited May 2011

    Frankly, R_R they all disgust me. Some days I have murderous thoughts.

  • Enjoyful
    Enjoyful Member Posts: 3,591
    edited May 2011

    I truly hope Sarah does run.  Tina Fey needs new material!  I'm reading the new Palin tell-all, "Blind Allegiance..."  Nothing new, really, just what we already knew about her.

    I don't like it when either party slants the truth, outright lies, or plays games to score political points or to make the other guy look bad.  My recent favorite is Cantor's "no money for devastated Joplin until the Administration cuts somewhere else."   But tax cuts for the wealthy?  Hell, we don't need no stinking offset for that!

    And Ryan's budget, full of holes and a blatant attack on seniors, does nothing nothing NOTHING to address growing health care costs.  Neither did Obama's plan, but it at least had the virtue of extending health care coverage to many more Americans.  Why don't people realize that it's largely the insurance companies who drive up the cost of health care?

    ARGH!  That's all.  Back to Robert, my dust bunny collective. 

  • BarbaraA
    BarbaraA Member Posts: 7,378
    edited May 2011

    E, I thought for sure I would be joining you and Robert but my Bolts pulled it out (after giving me a heart attack).

    They are all slanting the truth (actually LYING comes closer) and they all need to be ousted. Although then what would we do? Anarchy doesn't really work. Any ideas?

  • Enjoyful
    Enjoyful Member Posts: 3,591
    edited May 2011

    Subject them to the same rules as other advertisers.  That's all they're doing, really, is selling a product.  Never mind - the government agency created to oversee political lies would be larger than our existing government. 

    And Ed Schultz!  Calling Ingraham (sp??) a slut was so far out of line he was practically in a separate universe.  Not that he's a politician, but still.  Where did respect go?

  • AnneW
    AnneW Member Posts: 4,050
    edited May 2011

    I think there is very little respect out there where the radio pundits are concerned. Schultz blew me away with his "slut" comment, but his MSNBC apology was the best I've heard, and was timely and uncoerced. I don't think Rush or O'Reilly have ever apologized for any of their inflammatory comments (but I could be wrong. It's morally superior for me to think they have NOT apologized for Chelsea Clinton comments, among others...)

    I'd love to see a cat fight between Palin and bachmann. One of them will be on a Republican ticket, and I don't think it will be Palin. I wonder who will come out doing a Bachmann impersonation?

  • AnneW
    AnneW Member Posts: 4,050
    edited May 2011

    The New Yorl Times played a cruel trick on me today. I logged in, and there was this huge ad for a sale at Artbeads.com. I bit. I bought. I forgot to read the NYTimes. Joke's on them!

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited May 2011

    Insurance and Uninsured

    Thursday, May 26, 2011

    Vermont Governor Signs Legislation To Create Single-Payer System

    On Thursday, Vermont Gov. Peter Shumlin (D) signed a bill (H 202) that takes the first official step toward creating a single-payer health insurance system in the state, Modern Healthcare reports (Lee, Modern Healthcare, 5/26).

    Background on Legislation

    On May 5, the Vermont House passed the final version of the bill, which would:

    • Create a state health insurance exchange as required under the federal health reform law;
    • Establish a publicly financed single-payer system; and
    • Allow enrollees to purchase supplemental private insurance policies (California Healthline, 5/6).

    The bill also immediately would create the Green Mountain Care Board, a five-person panel that would oversee financing for the health care system and establish rates for health care providers (DoBias, National Journal, 5/25).

    Reason for the New System

    Shumlin noted that health care spending in the state has doubled in the last 10 years. In addition, health care costs in Vermont rose by 8% annually between 2004 and 2008, which is three percentage points higher than the national average (Wall Street Journal, 5/25). Further, about 7% of state residents are uninsured, and about 15% more are underinsured (National Journal, 5/25).

    Shumlin said, "Vermonters understand that our system is not sustainable and that they're going to lose their rural health care providers if we don't make change,"

    He expects the single-payer insurance system to save the state $500 million annually (Adamy, Wall Street Journal, 5/25).

    How the Plan Would Work

    Instead of paying premiums, employers and employees likely would subsidize the state's single-payer plan through taxes, the Journal reports. Residents also would pay a portion of the cost through copayments.

    Under the plan, residents would receive a Green Mountain Care card, which would link to their electronic health records.

    About 20% of Vermont residents have employer-sponsored coverage that is governed by federal laws. Those individuals would remain on those plans, and Medicare beneficiaries would stay in that program. Most of the remaining state residents would be forced to change from their existing coverage to a state-run system that offered a standard benefits package, according to the Journal.

    The state also would seek permission from the federal government to move Medicaid beneficiaries into the state-run plan (Wall Street Journal, 5/25).

    Vermont would need an exemption from HHS to opt out of some provisions in the federal health reform law. Current law would not allow the state to apply for such an exemption until 2017 (McDonald, Bloomberg, 5/25). However, President Obama has said he supports allowing states to get waivers as early as 2014. Vermont also would need waivers to make changes to Medicare and Medicaid (Wall Street Journal, 5/25).


    Read more: http://www.californiahealthline.org/articles/2011/5/26/vermont-governor-to-sign-legislation-on-singlepayer-system.aspx#ixzz1NTWRdmzW
  • BarbaraA
    BarbaraA Member Posts: 7,378
    edited May 2011

    Too bad they haven't done it in FL. I could retire.

  • River_Rat
    River_Rat Member Posts: 1,724
    edited May 2011

    Barbara, I really wish that Reid had mentioned the Constitutional constraints rather than opening mouth inserting foot.  The Democrats for the most part suck at messaging.  I found the link to the Progressive Caucus budget proposal.  It's in this Economist piece:

    http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2011/04/debt_proposals  

    The last three paragraphs illustrate some things that frustrate me:

    "Is this right? Well, here's a test case. Mr Miller's column notes that "the  Congressional Progressive Caucus plan wins the fiscal responsibility derby thus far; it reaches balance by 2021 largely through assorted tax hikes and defense cuts." Which is pretty interesting. Have you ever heard of the Congressional Progressive Caucus budget plan? Neither had I. The caucus's co-chairs, Raul Grijalva of Arizona and Keith Ellison of Minnesota, released it on April 6th. The budget savings come from defence cuts, including immediately withdrawing from Afghanistan and Iraq, which saves $1.6 trillion over the CBO baseline from 2012-2021. The tax hikes include restoring the estate tax, ending the Bush tax cuts, and adding new tax brackets for the extremely rich, running from 45% on income over a million a year to 49% on income over a billion a year.Mr Ryan's plan adds (by its own claims) $6 trillion to the national debt over the next decade, but promises to balance the budget by sometime in the 2030s by cutting programmes for the poor and the elderly. The Progressive Caucus's plan would (by its own claims) balance the budget by 2021 by cutting defence spending and raising taxes, mainly on rich people. Mr Ryan has been fulsomely praised for his courage. The Progressive Caucus has not.

    I'm not really sure what "courage" is supposed to mean here, but this seems precisely backwards. For 30 years, certainly since Walter Mondale got creamed by Ronald Reagan, the most dangerous thing a politician can do has been to call for tax hikes. Politicians who call for higher taxes are punished, which is why they don't do it. I'm curious to see what adjectives people would apply to the Progressive Congressional Caucus's budget proposal. But it's hard for me to imagine the media calling a proposal to raise taxes "courageous" and "honest". And my sense is that the disparate treatment here is a structural bias rooted in class." 

  • River_Rat
    River_Rat Member Posts: 1,724
    edited May 2011

    Oh, and Ed Schultz grates on my nerves on a good day.  In this case he was a sexist idiot and I'm glad he was suspended.  Although I have to admit that Laura Ingraham grates on my nerves even more.

  • River_Rat
    River_Rat Member Posts: 1,724
    edited May 2011

    Oh, and Ed Schultz grates on my nerves on a good day.  In this case he was a sexist idiot and I'm glad he was suspended.  Although I have to admit that Laura Ingraham grates on my nerves even more.

  • River_Rat
    River_Rat Member Posts: 1,724
    edited May 2011

    Deleted duplicate post above, not sure how that happened.

  • BarbaraA
    BarbaraA Member Posts: 7,378
    edited May 2011

    I hear ya R_R. Schultz was always a moron and continues to be.

  • River_Rat
    River_Rat Member Posts: 1,724
    edited May 2011

    Barbara, I think I agree but I'm trying to decide if he's a moron or a buffoon.

    Anyway, lamb chops, asparagus, corn on the cob and a nice merlot.....yum. 

  • BarbaraA
    BarbaraA Member Posts: 7,378
    edited May 2011

    I made crock pot hormone free beef stew and it ROCKED!! DH loved it and so did I. The only thing missing was Mazzaro's bread (local Italian market OMG http://www.mazzarosmarket.com/ )

    Whoa, LOVE everything there. Blue you would really love this place.

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited May 2011

    It all looks so wonderful!

  • BarbaraA
    BarbaraA Member Posts: 7,378
    edited May 2011

    Morning all. Today my weekend begins. I see laying around by the pool in my near future followed by heading out to the Blue Parrot to hear DH's band. Should be a fine, relaxing weekend. Very hot here, though, but is is Florida in summer. At least here on the beach we are 10 degrees at least cooler than inland. Disney really sucks in summer.

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited May 2011

    I really feel for you!

  • BarbaraA
    BarbaraA Member Posts: 7,378
    edited May 2011

    Come on down! The guest suite awaits any of my BC sistas in need of a getaway!

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited May 2011

    Hello, everyone. This 90 degree weather is killing me - it is worse when you have your period. I could use the pool at my club - but that is a 20 minute walk sweating like a pig!

    When Reid said no budget, he meant no "new" budget - meaning keep programs running through the five years that the OMB plans contemplate.

    But what Reid said wasn't awful - what is awful is Ryan proposing to privatize wheat in the end turns out to be a human right that most third world countries (let alone developed countries) recognize as such. Who doesn't have government guaranteed access to health care - maybe Madagascar and the United States - or Ivory Coast and the United States? I don't know. Either way, it's embarrassing. Our country has had its low points. Aside from slavery, the lowest of all, we have had prohibition, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson and the like, Sarah Palin and we continue to have rationed healthcare available PROPERLY only to those with means. I just ran through the list of things that at different6 points have made me embarrassed to be American.

    What makes me proud? A much longer list, but I will highlight one: that we gave Osama bin Laden  a Muslim burial - that we gave this man what he did not give the World Trade Center victims. We had to behave differently and better because Bin Laden was a terrorist, we are a country with ideas, so we are showing our superiority. Pity that Bush and Cheney (and the pundits, of course) didn't get this.  

    Enjoy your pool Barbara. Walking to mine would require too much sweating - it is at my club!

    Yes, Shultz is a moron - good as a radio comentator but not as an anchor of his own show.

    I no longer watch the cable shows.

    Lindasa, I have read about Vermont. Sadly, it will take years to roll out and could well be torpedoed if the legislature changes parties, but it is a very important start.  

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