I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange

This is what I do not understand.  How can some say that they do not support universal health care on one hand, and not support PP on the other?  How can you pass judgement on those who choose abortion (whether you believe it to be moral or not)  and not want to support those children afterwards?  It doesn't make sense to me.

If we are not willing to support those who make bad judgements OR those who find themselves in needy situations through no fault of their own....why do we bother living in societies in the first place?  Isn't that why tribes, towns, cities and nations were formed?  To better life for ALL. To support ALL. 

Does Planned Parenthood offer referrals for mammos if a breast exam says it's necessary?  If the answer is yes, then Ms Richards did NOT lie, because she did not say that PP provided mammos, she said PP provided access to mammos.

There is no indication that Ms Richards does not understand the services provided by her organization, or that she lied.  

I found this comment on theblaze.com:

"... Why should I pay for anyone’s healthcare unless it comes out of my insurance premiums. If you want a breast exam, then pay for it. You have no right to my money or the doctors labor. If it’s so important then shell out your own cash."

And if you don't have money?  I guess you just get sick and die.  Sucks to be you.

Just now getting caught up on this thread ...

A shout out to Gracie .. OMG .. I would have passed out if it was my son!!

Bren

Edited:  Cindy ... you're most welcome here!  Jump right in!!

Thanks, Bren!

Cindy ... I have to check into that.  It may be affected through PP.  The BCCS program is funded through the CDC as a federal program.  Each state is given so much of the pie to spend on their local programs.  Access to BCCS can be obtained through local health clinics (non-profits) and local county and state health departments. 

You can go to any free clinic or health department in Virginia and request an examination by either the doctor or NP.  If a lump is found or there is suspicion of cancer, the doctor or NP will refer you to your local breast clinic for a mammogram.  This is part of the Breast and Cervical Cancer Screening program.  However, if you are referred for a mammogram under this program, you must also have a cervical exam at the clinic or health department.  If cancer is found on mammogram, state medicaid kicks in to cover the cost of your treatment ... for however long you are in treatment or if your financial situation changes.

This program saved my life as I am self-employed and did not have insurance when I found a lump in my breast.  I swallowed my pride and went to a free clinic to have it checked.  I was immediately fast-tracked into the BCCS program so I could get a mammogram ASAP.  Because cancer was found, state medicaid kicked in to cover the costs of my treatment.  Medicaid costs work on a sliding scale if you are in treatment, depending on your income.

Hope this helps.

Bren

Grace  boys!  aren't they fun?  certainly does provide evidence of what science has already determined---looking at things long term, being able to make good decisions, simply does not develop as a skill until you are in your twenties.

I agree that if PP pays for the mammogram which is provided at another facility, they are a provider.

As for Enjoyful's quote, really is there anything to add but:

"are there no prisons?  . . . are there no workhouses?"

Diagnosis: 11/16/2009, DCIS, Stg 0, 1.1 cm, grade 3; ER+PR+;

From Komen's website.

http://ww5.komen.org/uploadedFiles/Content/AboutUs/MediaCenter-2/planned_parenthood_winer_2010.pdf 

Online gifts to Planned Parenthood have surged by 500 percent since Republicans passed a budget amendment stripping the group of its federal funding.

NARAL Pro-Choice America’s email activist list grew by 1,000 subscribers per day at the height of the budget debate.

Hi JB...

Could you provide us with information to back up your statement?  I think we'd all be interested to see it....  Thanks!

JB wrote:

PP doesn't deliver abortion services as a method of family planning.  They justify it as mental health services or some other bull@#$% technicality. 

JB .. you have your facts wrong .. doesn't matter how much you spout your rhetoric .. it's still wrong.  So step back from me and leave me alone.

Bren

yes, JB, if you have secret information that PP is doing such things you really ought to report it.  Dating back to the Civil War Times, there are provisions in the US code  that allow whistleblowers to collect a percentage of the recovery where a whistleblower leads the government to fraud.  Just think of the free health clinic you could start to replace PP!

Or just hush.....

Well I find a story but as far as I can determine it's not about Planned Parenthood.  It's about the director of Reproductive Services abortion center:

http://www.lifenews.com/2011/01/07/abortion-center-director-falsely-reporting-bomb-threat-gets-5-years/

I don't see this place listed under the Oklahoma branches of Planned Parenthood:

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-center/findCenter.asp?s=OK&p=0&o=1&c=0

Either way I'll agree that it was a horrible thing to do, but I fail to see what that has to do with the current conversation.  I will admit there are idiots on both sides of the issue. 

You're welcome Cindy .. just as an FYI .. Bill Clinton signed the BCCS program into law while he was in office. 

Bren