Things to do to help your wife during treatments
Hello,
My 33 year old wife was recently diagnosed with stage 3 breast cancer. She had here first treatment on the 23rd and her Nuelestra on the 24th. She feels very sore and everything I have read attributes it the the Nuelestra shot.
Any recommendations or home remedies I can try with her? I have been rubbing her hands, body, legs and feet with Aveda mineral oil.
What has your spouse done during you treatments to help you through the process?
She has not really had much of an appetite and I don't want to nag her to eat. Are there meals or snacks that helped you?
I'm doing my best to clean the house every day (very important to her),distract our 4 year old son, gone to every doctors appts and test.
I know she is overwhelmed with all this, and I want to help her any way I can. She is the type that hates to ask for help. but I also don't want to smother her.
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Sorry that your family is having to go through this especially at a young age! Sometimes there is just no fairness to things.
I did not have chemo so can't really answer any questions on what would have helped there! Hopefully some of the others that have been there will be along shortly with some help for you.
In my experience things my husband did that helped...
Went to EVERY appointment with me! Things are much easier to bear when you're not alone. Plus really helpful to have an extra set of ears.
Listened when I spoke of my fears and didn't try to down-play them and placate me by saying "It would all be OK" when we had no way of knowing. Simply said, "We will get through this together"
Realized that there were some times during treatment that it was all I could do to "deal with what I had to" . He jumped in to pick up the slack where ever he could.
He remembered and celebrated the treatment milestones!! I completed all treatment on the date of our wedding anniversary and when I arrived home there were 28 roses in a vase on the table. We had only been married 21 years so I couldn't figure out the '28' until I read the card... it was one rose for every week from the day of my diagnosis until completion of treatment!!
He is my best friend and truly was my ROCK throughout!
Hope this helps!
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A lot of women get relief from the Neulasta shot by taking Claritin 24/hr - taken before the shot (I think?). I tried it when I did chemo, but it didn't help me. The pain was rough and I ended up with some pain medication for 2 or 3 days after the Neulasta shot. As for chemo, she'll have good and bad days. On the bad days, do what you're doing, help with your son, cook meals and just let her rest. On her good days, she'll have more energy and want to do more. I will say that I and it seems many of the other women did benefit from a routine. I got up every morning around 7am, took a walk, showered, got dressed and ate breakfast. Of course the walks varied depending on how I felt, as did breakfast, but the routine helped. Walking even if it's short does help, physically and mentally.
Good luck and I hope that your wife is feeling better soon. Remember, take care of you.
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You are a very caring husband and I'm sure your wife greatly appreciates all you are doing for her. It all seems so overwhelming and scary in the beginning but things do get better. I can't believe I will be three years out this May. My husband went through everything with me..... every appointment, treatment and even wig shopping. Without him I don't know how I would have made it through. He also cleaned and cooked. Just keep doing what you are doing. I do remember feeling pretty sick on day three and four after a chemo treatment. Like Jenn said.... remember to take care of yourself. And thanks for being such a great husband!
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So sorry your family is going through this journey. You will get through it, tell yourself everyday. I am SIII as well and can only offer my humble opinion.
Things that helped:
Listen. She needs to come to terms with the dx. and this is hard. Mortality will enter her thoughts, let her talk through it even if it's hard to hear.
Help. Doing the dishes, laundry, shopping. One time I needed help showering because I was shaky after chemo. Take care of your son, I was easily overwhelmed.
Talk. She needs to know some things aren't going to change (your love, dedication attraction to her).
Eating. Potatoes, noodles, ensure mixed in hot chocolate, Hershey kisses, almonds (ck. with the onc on almonds as can interfere with some chemos); toast and peanut butter. Watch fresh vegetables, when white count is low, can cause an infection. If she can eat them, make sure they are very well rinsed or roast them. On my really bad days, my DD or DH would leave single serve containers of pre-cooked food so I could just microwave them. They put out dishes of dried fruit, nuts within easy reach. Smoothies with frozen fruit and mixed whey protein in the smoothie. Water bottle at all times, her mouth will get dry even during the night, have water ready.
It was very difficult for me to ask for help from anyone, so my family let me do what I could do, laundry, etc... but was very conscientious of picking up after themselves. Maybe your son could pick up his toys for his mom. My family always did special things for me, flowers, cards, pictures, notes.....
Good luck on your journey, please feel free to PM if I can help further.
Maureen
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rupe- From what I can see, you are doing everything beautifully. You are trying to keep things "normal" at home, when your wife may be unable to. For me, the most important thing my DH did was just be near in case I needed him. Like you, he went to each chemo with me, got gingerale or anything I wanted, got me home and settled down to rest. I appreciated most that he did not try to "take over" my treatment or decisions. We certainly talked about everything, but he always said "it is up to you". We have a 12 YO and it was so important for me not to have his life disrupted and to not have him frightened. My DH made sure he was busy. When my friends asked what they could do, I always said "keep my son happy and busy". He is a bit older than yours, but was constantly busy in playdates and sleepovers! This helped me to just collapse and rest on the days after chemo. I can see how caring you are. I think you will see that when you and your wife get through to the other side of this treatment you will have an unshakeable closeness. Bless you and your family.
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What an awesome hubby you are! Sounds like you are doing a lot for her now. Take your cues from her.
I'm sure she doesn't have much of an appetite but she does need to eat a little. I ate a lot of mashed potatoes with lots of butter & cheese, soda crackers, oatmeal with butter & other bland food. I couldn't stand the taste of water and drank milk, tea & 7-up.
Sending love & prayers to you & your family. NJ
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As far as eating, I found the only things that didn't taste funny to me were watermelon, frozen things like sherbet, and I could drink grape juice or grape kool aid.
I spent a long time online looking at wigs, and my son gave a great suggestion. He told me to have fun with it, try more than one style or highlights, and what the heck, get a blue one if I wanted to! Everyone said to trim my hair short before I lost it, very good advice that I did not take, I was determined to be the 1% that miraculously kept my hair. Hahaha! When it fell out and I looked like a mad scientist I was upset at not following the advice.
Find humor in everything, if and when she tries to answer the remote and change the station with the phone, and loses everything, play with it. My husband and I still get a laugh out of some of the things I still do, and a good attitude really helps more than anything in treatment. And hide any unbecoming photos of her during treatment until after when she's strong enough to look at herself. I didn't, and was unprepared when my kids asked who that bald guy was sitting on the porch on the first day of school, but now I laugh like crazy over it.
And really, just come to terms with the fact that there will be some days that she may not be happy at all no matter what you do, but you're still there. We all feel alone at one time or another, even though we are surrounded by loved ones and never lonely. Distraction is awesome, it keeps you from being consumed. Just let her know you are there, and you love her no matter what happens to her body, and you will beat this together.
And when you are worn down and don't feel well, remember we are all here to help you through!
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DesignerMom,
VERY good point on making sure that your child/children are doing OK. Mine were older but, I know that was a HUGE worry of mine. How would I go through what I needed to AND make sure they were well cared for?? Knowing that they were all right made things sooo much easier!
Youmake another very good point.... Help and support sometimes doesn't come from the places you would expect it! There were many people with whom I thought I was close, that just kind of drifted away BUT, there were many who I never thought of as more than aquaintances who really were so caring! You just never know... Be open to help from whatever the source may be and understanding, that, there will be those that just can't walk this road with you, for whatever reason...
Edited to add: Please DO take care of yourself... It is not selfish. It is what you need to do to be better able to help your wife! Best advice I got ever but, especially hard to do in the beginning, is it is OK to take a break from all things cancer... Just LIVE for a bit (an hour, a day, a week), forget, and enjoy!! It helps to rejuvenate you and give strength to handle whatever you have ahead...
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First of all, I am sorry your wife is going through this...and you too! I know how hard this is. I also want to say I think you are incredibly sweet and considerate - I can tell that by the fact that you are here looking for ways to support your dear wife.
I had chemo #1 on 3/2 and felt fine until 3-6 days after. I had my neulasta shot the day after chemo. I started getting lots of body aches on days 3/4/5 - like the flu. On day 6 I woke up at 2am with horrible, shooting bone pain that took my breath away. I tried tylenol and baths and nothing really helped much. I just was uncomfortable.
I just did my second round of chemo on 3/22 and have been completely fine this time. This time I started taking Aleve and Claritin daily since the day after chemo (the day I got the neulasta shot). It has made a tremendous difference! I had read online that the claritin works (no one knows why) so I asked my doc if I could take some...she said yes. I am SOOO glad! See if your wife's doc is OK with her taking it.
As far as things that help me......I like when my husband is affectionate and tells me he loves me. I like when he does sweet little things...small flowers or card. If he brings me a snack or makes sure I am drinking my water ( I also drink tons of water starting the day before chemo and days following to flush the chemo out of my body). One night he planned a surprise date for us...with overnight baby sitter and hotel too! I was shocked...it was nice to take a break from cancer and feel like a normal couple again. I guess the best thing though is just him hugging me at night. I feel like no matter how much he is there for my BC is very lonely...those hugs mean a lot. Good luck to you and your wife. I hope all goes well. If you have questions, PM me...I am happy to help. Hugs to you both!
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Also, sorry that ya'll are going through this. Your awesome. When able ---take rides in the sunshine. We used to love birdwatching at the local wildlife reserve. It was a driving park so it was easy to cuddle into pillows and blankets.
I kept a decorative type basket with pillows and sheets in the same room, so I wouldn't have to run for linens when we had hotflashes. We had CA at the same time--sorry didn't mean to cause a shock there. Don't use fitted sheets--too much work. If you use flat sheets, they strip off real fast and can be replaced real fast. Some box fans help for direct cool air during a flash. Hung a pre plugged in vibrator on a hook at top of bed--simplified trying to locate it when muscles ached. If you can afford someone to do some housecleaning or prehaps church people, that will take a lot of stress off the 2 of you. It was amazing what clean counter tops and clean floors meant to my mental outlook and his.
If you are religious, this is a time to pray together.
I did write a topic called "just diagnosed-get prepared" It's alot of practical things we learned along the way. It is in the just diagnosed section after Melissa's. It's pinned which means the moderators found enough good things in it, that they recommend it for reading.
Try and find a counselor that you can go to as a couple. We should have done that sooner. It was sooooo good on so many different levels. Ask for a social work consult---Thats covered pretty well in the section.
Hugging and kissing etc. as tolerated, does wonders for the soul.
Making sure you don't get overwhelmed is majorly important. Pulling in resources to take over yardwork etc will help. Whatever you can get someonelse to do, so you can concentrate on her and the toddler will help hold things together. Fatigue is your enemy, avoid it at all cost.
Pm if you like, most members are happy to help.. Bless your whole family--Namaste! the translation is I SALUTE THE GOD WITHIN YOU----sheila
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Thank you all for your kind words and advice. Today she ate the most she has eaten in a while. There must be something about mashed potatoes as she really seemed to enjoy them. Its 9:25 and she is sound asleep. Not something she has had alot of the last couple weeks.
Please keep the tips coming as there are probably a few male lurkers who benefit from them. Its our nature to try and fix things, and not ask for help. I'm learning I can't and shouldn't try the first, and need the second. There are not alot of resources for how to help your wife cope, so I'm greatful for these message boards. My wife is not ready to visit these boards yet, but when she is she will appreciate all the info and support. -
Rupe - I was so excited to see this thread and I have added it as a favorite. I told my husband about it. I have been amazed at the way my husband has taken care of me and I'd like to share it with you ...
He has not lost who he is. He still has conversations with me just like he always has. He helps me drink...doesn't make me (we have more varieties of juice/soda/waters/teas than we have EVER had...). He takes me to every appointment and even asks the doctors questions and holds my hand. I will always remember that he said to me (while I thought I was complaining) ... "You never complain. I can't believe with every thing that you are going through that you never complain." It made me feel strong. He has never questioned a single feeling that I've expressed - he just listens and watches me with those eyes ... so sweet.
I think all of this comes from the inside ... and it sounds like you have that so naturally. You wife is blessed to have you there with her. Just like I tell my DH ... don't forget to take care of you, too.
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Rupejr,
I am so sorry your family have to go trough this, but you have found a wonderful site to get help and information.
I would very much recommend the book "Breast Cancer Husband" - How to help your wife and yourself during diagnoses, Treatment and Beoyond, by Marc Silver.
http://www.amazon.com/Breast-Cancer-Husband-Diagnosis-Treatment/dp/1579548334
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Rupejr:
Just want to welcome you to BCO and say how lucky your wife is to have you caring about her so much.
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Rupe-I thought of another thing. As you said your wife was very particular about keeping her house clean and you were trying to do it for her. There is a wonderful organization that arranges for a local housecleaner in your area to do FREE housecleaning for 6 months (I believe) if someone is undergoing chemo. The website is http://www.cleaningforareason.org/cancerpatients.html I know they have a tremendous amount of requests, so sometimes you have to come back a few times as they have "filled up". I know if it were me, I would rather have some professional cleaning person taking care of my house and my husband playing with my kid.
I know you feel like you need to DO things for your wife, I just wanted to share that, for me, just my DH being available and near was enormous. After the months of surgery, chemo, rads, I thanked him. He looked at me puzzled and said "I didn't do anything". He probably will never know just how important his "doing nothing" was for me, I can't imagine having gone through this without him.
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Rupe - bless you for your love, support and concern for your wife. With you by her side, she WILL get through this!
Here are my suggestions -
Don't take her too literally when she says she can't eat. When someone suggested food to me, it NEVER sounded good. But when they made it and put it in front of me, I would just eat it automatically. It helped keep my strength up. Some oatmeal with chopped up apples, maybe some raisins and cinnamon usually worked for breakfast. She may have her own favorites, but I guess what I'm saying is - cook a little something up, put it in front of her, and eat with her - she may just spoon it in out of habit more than anything else!
Try to schedule a break for yourself. When I had a friend coming over, my husband would plan an hour or two out, going to see a friend or whatever he wanted. It was hard for him to do it, but good for him to be away from all this for a little while, and knowing i was occupied with the friend for company.
Tell her she looks pretty, or beautiful, or sexy (or whatever term you use naturally). If she puts on 'real' clothes and a pretty scarf or hat, notice and mention it. It is a real blow to our self concept to have all these bad things happen to our appearance!
Now this one is only my opinion - but....be sensitive but encouraging re intimacy. I felt, in the beginning, that my body had betrayed me so badly (and my breasts, no less!) that I would never be able to use it for pleasure again. But from what I read, the longer you shut down, the harder it can be to get started again. So I made a real effort to stay active in that area, and it really helped. Be creative, take things slow, but don't let that part of your love life wither.
Talk about the future. Plan, dream, imagine. That really helped me a lot. The future is the WHOLE REASON she is going through all this crap now. For example, during chemo, I became OBSESSED with buying a timeshare on Ebay. It was totally out of character for me to do that . I think my husband thought I was a little nuts, but went along with it. I can see now, in retrospect, that I needed something in the future to look forward to. Turns out the timeshare was A STEAL. We used it for the first time in October and had a wonderful week - it was my first time away since finishing treatment and a real milestone for me.
Any questions, feel free to PM me.
And again, I affirm your love and support for your wife. -
PS - just have to add - re-reading this thread brought tears to my eyes, reading all the wonderful loving things our husbands have done.
Especially Seaside, yours with the roses. SO romantic and special!
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Rupe- Food definitely doesn't taste the same due to chemo. Things I used to love, I couldn't stand. Other things I normally didn't care for, I loved. Whoever said to just fix things and put them in front of her was right. I never felt like eating, but when I was offered things, I realized I was hungry. I don't know if her Onc allows fresh fruits. Mine did and I loved juicy melon and watermelon. It was a great way to get lots of fluids. I also liked those frozen fruit popcicles. There is a great cookbook with lots of healthy, nutritious foods and snacks called "The Cancer Fighting Kitchen" by Katz. Hang in there and make sure you get some breaks too!
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RUPE - AMlystrong and anf dm are right --I wouldn't eat unless something was put in front of me. The best was mashed potatoes&almost burnt toast with butter. All my surgeries it was mashed potatoes that tasted the best. Wonder if anyone has done a study on this.
Have you read the thread I suggested? You should, I'll bug you until you say you did. Remember it was trial by fire and 2 of us had cancer at one time . His was dx'd 3 months after mine. Truly sucked.
When the two of you are up to it read"OMG they found the cure for STUPID". It's a site that only people that are dx'd with cancer can understand. It's funny, ridiculous.outrageous. It's equal to 2nd city or the early days of Sat. night live.
As you have already have learned is cancer sucks........if no one has prepared you for this---some people you thought were close will dissapear--others will come forward. The ones that dissapear ----cluck'em(you will only get that by reading OMG). I had 2 friends dissapear--one of 31 years and the other of about 5years . The 31 year one we supported her through untold trouble. The 5 year one, she had cancer, so iI don't get that one.
Let me know when you have read the thread I suggested---SHeila
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Sounds like you are there for her. That is the most important thing. Being there at appointments to help listen and remember what was said. Being there to hold her hand when treatments suck and side effects suck. Being there in the night when the bogeyman comes visiting. My husband did lots of things but one that I remember the most was playing scrabble with me during every treatment to help the time pass. You don't have to be the most brilliant husband every day - just be there. There is some wickedly good black humour on this site but maybe wait til you feel up to it. Lynkoura
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Shelia,
Very helpful guide. Wish I would have found it on day one lol. I understand what you are saying about friends and people disappearing. Kinda surprised so far by that. I told my wife to not "read" into it. Some people just handle thing differently. She had one immature co-worker come up to her and say (no joke) "Oh my god, are you gonna die, do you think I'll get it too?"
I coaxed her to read the boards, she started to read some posts and got upset. When and if she is ready I'll read them with her. Until then I will be on here getting all the info and great advice I can.
I'll try the fruit and popsicles. She tried to go to work yesterday, so I went with her to help her open. She complained about her heart racing so we called her Onc and went right in. Turns out she was very dehydrated even though we thought we were doing a good job. 4 IVs and 5 hours latter she felt a ton better.
I'm lucky that my work has been so understanding with this...sadly more then hers. Mine has not docked my any pay, or vacation. They told me that I can miss whatever I need for her appoinments or bad days. Her work told her that they wanted a work plan set in place the day before she had her first chemo treatment. And that they were going to use her vaction time (which I can understand) but then said that they wanted to put her on hourly to "help" her out. Kinda sad since she has worked the since she was 18. Business is business, but seemed kinda cold to me.
I told her if she did not want to work, that we would find another way. Between our parents and immediate family, savings, and cutting back, she did not have to work until she felt ready. She does not need the added stress of work.
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Work can be cold, and so many times they are - give YOUR boss a hug from all of us...
P.S. OMG They Found a Cure For Stupid has really become a very, very happy place for many of us ... come on in...the water is fine
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Rupe- Another thought. Your wife may actually qualify for temporary disability if she wants to take time off from work while she has chemo, especially if she has worked there that long. You can check with your state. I also had another thought as you say you have a 4 YO. I know of one BC lady who had a young child. When she began to lose her hair from chemo, the 3 YO didn't understand and asked "will I lose my hair, will I catch your sickness"? Of course the mom reassured her. You might want to ask some of the moms with young kids how to help your little one, or even a therapist.
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Our son has been great. He is the water boy. I put all the bottles on the bottom of the fridge so he has easy access. We explained that mommys hair would fall out, but it meant that her medicine was doing its job. I told him he could help shave my head and mommys, and he got a kick out of it.
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Rupe --so glad you read the thread--, I hate being a bug.
The garbage they are giving you wife at work may be against the law . Fmla.There are sections on the main boards about work issues. The problem with alot of this STUFF is by the time you truly understand it , time has passed and you may have missed out on things etc. Try and get a copy of the illness rules ,medical leave of absence, FMLA rules from her work. IF they have greater than 50 employees they have to follow federal guidelines. In the ring binders I discussed, In the work binder, is the place that you want to put all communications from her work. Because they are giving her a hard time keep a diary with dates and times with what was said. Please share what field she is in. Not place just field of work. It will help all of us offer advice.
There have been some huge FMLA lawsuits because employers did not follow the law and there own written policies. Is it her boss giving her a hard time or human resources. If it's human resources, that makes it much more difficult . There the ones supposed to be watching , that the rules are followed. BUT if it's her boss, gather your info in sequence and take it to HR. If her direct boss IS NOT following corporate policy---that boss is in deep cow cakes. Don't be afraid to go to HR because if this boss tries to retaliate ---there in even deeper cow cakes. Documenting and keeping the diary is a pain, but it trust me it is to your benefit.
AS Fuzzylemon said join us on OMG----even if you just do it. it will be a good diversion. Start at page one otherwise it won't make sense.
There are spiritual threads that you can follow. I'm on the Catholic thread, but it is accepting of all faiths as long as everyone respects everyone else.
FUZZY---- JVand Tink are there too. There are some pretty awesome people there.
What I perceive is that members follow a few threads. Each thread meeting a certain need. On OMG I sit there and where a tin hat and we spout off with the greatest nonsense. On the Catholic Thread we meet each fri. for prayers at 10 pm. The ladies here I would surmise, were drawn here because your thread said you needed help. Each woman here has given you great advice, from their own experience. Branching out, you may find there a few other threads that meet a need you hadn't thought about. Keeping up with more than 4-6 is to much. The people on each thread become like a mini family or social group. This is very important to our well being emotionally and physically, during such protracted periods of isolation. What is common to all is that we have somehow been touched by cancer. Either directly or with a family member. If you run into a group that is negative or bickering ---fly like the wind away from them.
Don't be surprised that your son wants his hair buzzed too. If he does let him. It will grow back. If you are doing it in support of your wife---he will want to be like mommy and daddy. Don't deny him.
L&H's sheila
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Welcome, Rupejr. InTwoPlaces recommended a book by author Marc Silver, and you'll also find the text of a conference called Partners, Loved Ones, Caregivers: Taking Care of You here at Breastcancer.org, where he was one of the guest panelists.
Judith
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Cool Rupe, First time I saw a moderator pop in and make a suggestion. Very cool.
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Thank you Sheila and Judith. Helpful info.
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I had a terrible time with the neulasta shot too. They switched me to neupagen and it made a world of difference. Neulasta is the long acting form of neupagen. I had to do 2 shots of neupagen two days apart, but they let me do it at home. I went from writhing in pain to relatively normal.
Maybe your doc will do this too.
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Sounds like you are a wonderful husband. My husband is also really great. He remained calm, agreed to go anywhere and do anything for treatment. He shouldered all of our regular household stresses (money, work, kids, house, etc). I Couldn't eat at first either. I was so terrified that my appetite went to zero. I dropped like 10 pounds in two weeks. But my appetite came back after awhile. I actually ended up gaining weight! I had the neulasta shot too and the bone pain is a unique and very scary experience. I took vicodin and the pain was still there. It's painful and scary. Luckily it only lasted a day.
I'm sure you'll be great.
Brandy
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